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He is a chubby little rascal, but he hasn't spent any time in Palestine since the 1990s. He eats pretty well in Beirut and Istanbul. The photo in the previous post and the one below are from May of this year. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/osama-hamdan-hamas-gaza-israel-trump He used to appear frequently on Arabic language TV channels, but he has the wrong broadcast image now Hamas is pushing the starvation angle.

I have never suggested the whole population of Gaza "deserves" collective punishment. I don't believe that, nor have I ever written it. I never used the word "deserves" in my post, so you aren't quoting me. I do believe the people of Gazan are paying the price of having made bad choices and decisions WITHOUT deserving collective punishment. That's a very common situation in life, whether on an everyday individual basis or conflicts such as Israel-Gaza. There are countless examples throughout history of innocent people who paid with their lives for the mistakes of their leaders. During WWII, an estimated 1.5 to 3 million German civilians died, with about 600,000 perishing due to aerial bombardment. The corresponding estimate for Japan is 350,000 tom 500,000 civilian dead, with 90% killed by U.S. air attacks, including the two atomic bombs. Possibly one-third or more were children under age 18. Did any of these German or Japanese civilians deserve to die? No, they didn't, but their deaths were the inescapable consequence of mistakes by their leaders. In the German elections of July, 1932, about 37.4% of the voters cast their ballots for the Nazi Party, making it the largest party in the Reichstag and setting the stage for Hitler's takeover in 1933, Did the Germans who voted for Hitler deserve to die? Of course not, but Hitler's supporters, just like his opponents, paid a terrible price for Hitler's actions taken in the name of the German people. Same-same with the Palestinians. They have been paying for the mistakes their leaders have been making since the 1920s and continue to make. The Hamas decision to attack Israel on Oct. 7, 2023, will go down as one of the worst decisions in human history. Just like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor or Germany's invasion of Poland, it sealed the fate of a huge number of civilians who didn't deserve the awful consequences. Again, I have never said nor do I believe, the hugely negative effects of war on civilians is a "form of just punishment." The people of Germany and Japan also suffered "a humanitarian catastrophe, a blockade, thousands of civilian deaths, widespread destruction, and lack of food, water, and medical care" It wasn't then, nor is it now with Gazans, "a form of just punishment." It is, however unfortunate and cruel, an inevitable consequence of being on the losing side in a war. I don't see how "dehumanizing" enters into the discussion. I certainly acknowledge all Gazans, including the members and leaders of Hamas, are human. I have never said anything different. I would add that the leaders and members of Hamas and other armed groups are exceptionally delusional humans in continuing terrorist tactics against Israel. The nature of warfare in a densely populated urban area means the Israeli retaliation will cause civilian deaths and suffering, but that's on Hamas. Destroying Hamas is the best way of standing in the long run for the human rights of Gazans, although the cost is horrific.

It's a ginger cow, reddish brown in color. Today Red Angus is a recognized and quite common breed, but in Biblical times a cow with a red-brown coat would have been a rarity. However, the color is only part of the prophecy cow. It has to be perfect in every respect to qualify.

Israel did just that in 1948 and now it has nuclear weapons in addition to a highly motivated military defense force that's well-trained, well-equipped and highly experienced in modern warfare. Israel has a good chance of defending its borders. Traditional Judaic beliefs don't include a violent apocalyptic version of the "end of days," but instead emphasize the coming of a Messiah who will bring universal peace and brotherhood. To a small number of very religious Jews, the birth of a perfect red heifer will signal the coming of the Messiah and the building of the Third Temple, but this is not a mainstream belief. The action-packed Muslim version of the "end of days" is apocalyptic, with Jesus returning to team up with the Mahdi (a descendant of the prophet Mohammad) to fight an army of Jews and unbelievers led by the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) in a war in which everyone on earth dies! Allah will then resurrect the dead for the Judgement Day, No. Neither Russia nor China is willing to start WWIII for the sake of Palestine.

I certainly don't think Palestinians are less than human. I feel very sorry about Gazans' suffering, but they made a bad mistake in voting Hamas into power in 2006 and allowing it to seize the Gaza Strip. They are are now paying a terrible, terrible price for that mistake. I find it sad Hamas won't give up its avowed goal of destroying Israel. As long as Hamas refuses to recognize the right of Israel to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews, there will never be a lasting peace in the region.

It depends on the reason for the shortage of food. Hamas is sabotaging the attempts of the Israeli government to deliver food to Gazans under circumstances that prevent the food from falling into the hands of Hamas. If many children are dying of starvation- and I've seen no evidence that's the case- then that is due to Hamas' failure to lay down its arms and release the remaining hostages. I'm not defending any crimes, but I am defending the right of Jewish people to save their homeland from terrorist attacks by destroying Hamas. Disagreeing with your take on the Gaza conflict doesn't make anyone stupid or a religious fanatic. I will acknowledge that I don't care if Hamas and its supporters starve to death..

How are you defining the word "famine?"

No doubt there's a shortage of food in Gaza. The issue is whether it amounts to starvation and specifically, whether the children with protruding backbones are emaciated due to Israeli policies on food aid or underlying medical conditions.

Several Web sites have exposés of manipulated photos from Gaza: recent: https://www.camera.org/article/when-journalists-become-the-story/ https://david-collier.com/ older articles: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-fakes-in-israels-war-against-hamas/a-67367744 https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-generated-images-of-children-in-gaza/a-68146699 A separate thread on AN also deals with misleading Hamas photos:

Palestinian freelance photographer munching a sandwich in Gaza on his way to photograph starving children: https://www.camera.org/article/when-journalists-become-the-story/ He and his buddy look well-fed and healthy, even if no one else in Gaza is.

According to witnesses to the execution, Byron Black was heard to say, “Oh, it’s hurting so bad," and show signs of distress before losing consciousness. It's unknown what caused him pain: the execution drugs; the tubes in his veins; or the defibrillator. He had no final words when asked prior to the start of the execution. For his last meal, he had requested pizza with mushrooms and sausage, donuts, and butter pecan ice cream. This is a photo of the woman and two girls he murdered. I hope he's now in pain for eternity.

Every defense attorney is obligated to try to save the life of a client. Attorneys can come up with some very creative arguments in their attempts to convince a judge the client shouldn't be executed.

xxx You're welcome. It's always wise to remain vigilant and you certainly deserve watching. Never again is now! I'm also reminded of a quote by one of my favorite villains, Auric Goldfinger in Ian Fleming's Goldfinger: "Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: 'Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action.'" Five times and it has become an obsession, No, it would be a great loss for humanity. The state of Israel gives the world's Jews the best chance of survival should any country or group of countries try to mount a repeat performance of the Holocaust.

We understood you don't like Israel the first four times you wrote the above. Not that it will make any difference to you, but calls for the dismantling of the state of Israel are considered to be antisemitic under both the working definition of the The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism) and the Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism (https://jerusalemdeclaration.org/). Your earlier posts:

The pics of emaciated children in Gaza are not AI-generated fakes. The pics that have been circulated by mainstream Western media and reposted thousands of times on social media are real, BUT- and it's a big - these photos are often misleading. They show medically vulnerable children who have underlying conditions that result in emaciation. The pics themselves aren't proof of mass starvation in Gaza. The photo that tops the OP in this thread comes from an article in The Guardian published on Aug. 2. The caption credits Mahmoud Issa and Reuters, but doesn't give specific information about the woman and child portrayed. nor are they mentioned in the body of article. The pic is there to illustrate The Guardian's claim Gazans are starving. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/02/gaza-famine-starvation-crisis-israel I went to the Reuters' Web site and found the series of photos from which The Guardian pic had come. The caption of the Reuters' photo has a lot more info. It names the two people, says the boy suffers from cerebral palsy and says the photo was taken July 24. There's no text story with the photo. Reuters is a news agency and offers photos separate from its text articles. Media outlets that don't have photographers of their own will often use a news agency photo. https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/displaced-palestinian-mother-samah-matar-holds-her-malnourished-son-youssef-in-gaza-city/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjU6bmV3c21sX1JDMlpTRkE0TDgzUQ The boy's emaciated appearance is mainly down to his cerebral palsy. Children with cerebral palsy often have trouble swallowing. The boy needs nutritional supplements and a feeding tube, neither of which is likely to be available in Gaza. The shortage of supplies caused by the conflict has certainly aggravated the boy's fragile condition, but it doesn't prove their is mass starvation in Gaza. Now to the really interesting part. Reuters main competitor in the news agency business is the Associated Press of the U.S. On July 26, two days after the Reuters pic went up, the AP displayed the following photo on its Web site: https://apnews.com/photo-essay/gaza-palestinians-israel-starvation-famine-children-fac87ecccdbe1bcdf0d3067b74f14411 The sidebar to the AP photo reads: "Matar poses for a photo with her son Yousef, 6, who suffers from malnutrition and cerebral palsy, at a U.N.-run school in Gaza City, Saturday, July 26, 2025. In Gaza, malnutrition is often worsened by preexisting conditions and compounded by illnesses linked to inadequate health care and poor sanitation, largely the result of the ongoing war. (AP Photo/Jehad Alshrafi)" Two different international news agencies, two different photographers, two different dates, but almost identical pics in substance. The AP pic is darker and has a different backdrop, but otherwise very similar to Reuters, down to the gray garbage bag diaper. The prominent backbone is the focal point of both photos. I'm cynical enough to wonder if these might have been photo ops staged by Hamas to lend emotional impact to the claim of famine and starvation in Gaza. Not fake photos, but definitely misleading. Sometimes, however, the Hamas Media Office becomes disingenuous. The photo below looks appropriately grim with yet another prominent backbone and a second child lying motionless off to the side. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/568411/nz-is-prepared-to-take-further-action-over-the-gaza-crisis-here-are-5-options But when the second kid in the photo looks up, his face doesn't show any signs of starvation. And the real kicker. The pic below appeared in Al-Jazeera. It's the same photographer, day and news agency as above. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/26/israel-says-its-distributing-aid-in-gaza-so-why-are-people-starving The brothers show no visible signs of malnutrition and are clothed. So why is Yazan naked and deathly thin? He's naked because it's a photo op to show off this thinness. He's so thin because of an (and I'll spell it out) U-N-D-E-R-L-Y-I-N-G M-E-D-I-C-A-L C-O-N-D-I-T-I-O-N. If the family were suffering from starvation, wouldn't the brothers be thin as well? More revelations still to come.