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With Corbyn and Sultana leading the new party, it is certain to be antisemitic.

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You mean, "It's all over the Iranian news!" I asked for a credible source.

That's true, but it still doesn't stop other nations from taking over from the U.S., especially on a five-year basis. I was responding to the estimate in The Lancet that 14 million preventable deaths would occur by 2030 if the U.S. cuts foreign aid spending by 83%. That's only true if no one else provides the aid as the U.S. would have. It may not be considered "fair" because other countries already give more foreign aid per capita than the U.S., but it's not impossible for them to do so and thereby save those 14 million people.

That is not true at all. The U.S. is far from the only country in the world with a foreign aid program. Most of the U.S. aid to Kenya is channeled through businesses, NGOs, charities and local groups. Basically, the U.S. pays the bills but it doesn't actively distribute the aid. There's no major obstacle for another country, international organization or relief group to step in and fill the breach. The Arab petro-states, the EU and individual European countries as well as Japan, China, Australia, South Korea and others have plenty of money. Let them take over from the U.S. Many of those countries already have aid programs in Kenya. Just expand them.

That is truly a misleading title. It has virtually nothing to do with what happened at the music festival. Only a few seconds of the video feature scenes from Glastonbury. The rest is the usual Hamas- Al Jazeera hodgepodge of the IDF attacking terrorist targets in Gaza. Basically, the narrator, a rapper called Lowkey (real name Kareem Dennis), is trying to justify Bobby Vylan's death chants as something positive. His message is that members of the IDF deserve to die. Dennis has a long history of using anti-Jewish slurs in his raps.

Thank you for your prompt answers. They have raised a few more questions on my part. The crucial question is then "Who gets to decide which Israelis are good and which are Zionists?" Is it the Iranian government? Hamas? The Arab League? Who? Of course a different definition of Zionist than yours is possible. I would define a Zionist as someone who believes in a sovereign national homeland where Jews can live in security from antisemitism. Under that definition, probably 99% of Israel's Jews and a great many Jews outside Israel are Zionist. About 80% of Israel's current Jewish population was both in Israel. If an Israeli-born Jew is a Zionist, where would he be sent? And about half of all Israeli Jews are descended from ancestors who were kicked out of Arab countries. Where would they be sent? Estimates of the number of Israeli Jews with dual nationality range from 460,000 to 770,000, or roughly 6% to 10% of the country's 7.7 million Jews. In fact, the vast majority of Israeli Jews have nowhere else to go. That's why they fight so hard to defend their homeland. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h100a9e0yxl https://welcome-israel.com/blog/how-many-israelis-have-dual-citizenship Why do you think the borders are closed to Israel's citizens, whether Jewish or any other religion? Israeli citizens are free to come and go as they please. In 2024, about 83,000 Jews are estimated to have emigrated from Israel. That's slightly over 1% of Israel's Jewish population. That's hardly run-away flight. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-31/ty-article/.premium/israels-population-growth-slows-as-emigration-soars-with-83-000-leaving-in-2024/00000194-1cf3-db03-a1f6-1cfb5dcf0000 You are seriously over-estimating Iran's military capabilities and the ease with which Israel could be defeated. For 77 years, Israel has stood against 500,000 Arabs and 1.4 billion Muslim's, all of whom want to destroy the homeland of the world's Jews. This article gives background on the relative military strength of Iran and Israel: https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-militaries-mideast-us-613e71aff67f6e1701981583bf699bc6 Iran's leaders should already know, but perhaps need to be reminded, never again is now.

Some posters seem to have poor reading comprehension. The opening sentence of this thread's OP states his remarks were made BEFORE this year's Glastonbury Festival (my bold text), This criticism wasn't specifically aimed at Bob Vylan's death chants. That interview was quite old, going back 12 months. You can read the same quotes from Gallagher in the OP as in this article in The Sun, dated July 4, 2024. GASTO BLASTO Noel Gallagher launches blistering attack on ‘woke’ Glastonbury and renews feud with rockstar frontman NOEL Gallagher had a storming time at Glastonbury – but he couldn’t help taking aim at other punters. The High Flying Birds frontman moaned that virtue-signalling has taken over the festival — with acts making statements about Palestine’s conflict with Israel and Banksy’s migrant dinghy ­protest during the Idles set. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/28973908/noel-gallagher-slams-glastonbury-woke/ This article from the Guardian, also a year old, gives more background on the "wokeness" of Glastonbury: Noel Gallagher says Glastonbury is ‘a bit woke now’ and criticises political musicians https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/05/noel-gallagher-oasis-glastonbury-is-woke-political-musicians It was more "wokeness" in general than support for Hamas that seemed to have pissed off Gallagher in that interview. He opposed the politicizing of musical performances. Several groups and artists at the 2024 Glastonbury Festival expressed support for Ham- I mean Palestinians- including chants of "Free Palestine." That didn't result in any major outcry from political or religious leaders. Bobby Vylan (Pascal Robinson-Foster) got slammed because he led the crowd in death chants and gave an antisemitic tirade His blatant antisemitism, not his support of Palestinians, resulted in all the condemnation. It's unclear what opinion Noel Gallagher has on the Gaza conflict, although he has supported a charity that provides aid to Palestinian children. Support for Palestinians is the rule, not the exception, in the U.K. When this support, however misplaced and naive, turns into raw antisemitic attack, there still, thankfully, will be a sharp negative reaction from some influential voice. However, Gallagher was NOT condemning antisemitism in that old interview.

What distinguishes "good Israelis" from "Zionists?" I hope you're not thinking about "good Israelis" in the same way as Gen. Philip Sheridan is said to have referred to "good Indians," Where is it that Zionists would flee to that they came from? What is the "good stuff" Iran may pull out? Can you put two and two together to answer my questions?

I'm showing skepticism over there being "absolutely zero doubt" (my bold text) on the basis of one poster's opinion alone. I wondered if anyone outside the Iranian press agreed with that assessment. I'm also skeptical that you will come up with four when you "put two and two together." Sounds more like it will be three or five, considering there's no evidence to back your "analysis." If you honestly believe the only way the Mossad could get information on Iran's nuclear is through Grossi and the IAEA, then you are the one who is naive. Preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear arms is crucial to the survival of Israel and its people. The Mossad will devote all its considerable resources to obtaining whatever information is needed towards that end.

Here's the reaction of the U.K.'s Chief Rabbi on X to the Glastonbury death chants and the BBC's response. If anyone can be an expert on the dangers of antisemitism, it is Sir Ephraim Mirvis. He nailed it. For every British subject, this is indeed a "time of national shame." https://x.com/chiefrabbi/status/1939806434444583201

Perhaps you could provide a link to a credible source which indicates Rossi gave Israel information useful to its bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities.

The Mossad didn't need Grossi to tell them the names of Iran's nuclear scientists. They just had to read newspapers and magazines. The men who were assassinated held very visible positions. Most were academics attached to various universities or institutes. Some edited scientific journals. Iran made no attempt to conceal the identities of nuclear scientists and technicians.

I didn't say people who support a Palestinian state are gullible, I said people who fall for anti-Israel propaganda are gullible. For over two thousand years, people have fallen for antisemitic lies. The anti-Israel propaganda we see every day is merely the latest manifestation of the world's oldest hatred.

The following paragraph perfectly summarizes what is so wrong about the Glastonbury death chants and hate speech: "Once tolerant and decent Britain is a place where incitement to riot over Southport will rightly result in the full force of the law being brought to bear, while you can stand on a stage at Glastonbury and lead scenes reminiscent of a Nuremberg rally without facing much more than expressions of disapproval." I am alive because my ancestors realised Jews were in danger. Britain is nearly there The rest of the article explains why antisemitism has become a major concern for Britain's Jews. I hope everyone who expresses sympathy for Palestinians reads it and realizes why their ill-founded support is so dangerous.

Let me fix the second sentence for you. Gullible, uninformed "people buy their BS hook, line and sinker." People who have a basic understanding of the history of the Middle East won't be taken in by Palestinian propaganda.

Bob Vylan is catching it heavily. The U.S. State Dept. has revoked their visas for their autumn U.S. tour and their agent has dropped them. I hope this prompts them to rethink their antisemitism. They deserve to be punished for injecting hatred of Jews into a musical performance. "Meanwhile, a source confirms to The Hollywood Reporter that United Talent Agency has dropped Bob Vylan following the controversy." https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/bob-vylan-visas-revoked-dropped-uta-glastonbury-1236302748/

That was definitely not copy and paste. I don't know why you believe that. I do know why you would say it.

Sorry to disappoint you, but those are my very own words. I eagerly await your own words in answer to the points I made. Or don't you have an answer?

Wow! You have a very high tolerance of antisemitic speech if you don't consider a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" to be antisemitic. Jews make up 99% of the IDF and its function is to protect the world's only Jewish majority state and homeland of the world's Jews from destruction. The IDF has 170,000 active-duty personnel and 465,000 reservists. If you are wishing death to the IDF, you'd have to kill a lot of Israeli Jews. And the death of the IDF would leave Israeli civilians defenseless against a second Holocaust. Moreover, Robinson-Foster's antisemitic remarks weren't limited to the "Death, death to the IDF" chant. He even included a specific British Jewish individual in his attacks. Again I have to ask: if that's not antisemitism, what is it? Plenty that's antisemitic here. Don't move along; never again is now.

It's not a matter of being pro- or anti-Israel or any other country or cause. By law, the BBC and other broadcasters are obligated to prevent certain types of content from reaching viewers/listeners. One aspect is that hate speech, whether racist, chauvinistic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic, misogynistic or whatever, should not be "normalized" by its inclusion in entertainment programming. Young people and impressionable adults could believe such language is acceptable because they heard it on TV. I bolded entertainment to stress a different set of rules apply to news broadcasts. It's acceptable for the BBC to broadcast video footage in a news program of the crowd because that's what happened. News reporting will include reactions and influential Brits have been strongly critical of Robinson-Foster's hate rap and chants. It is not acceptable for Robinson-Foster to include hate speech and death chants in a music performance.

@NanLaew What do you mean by "not incited?" Are you saying the crowd wasn't incited because they didn't actually try to kill members of the IDF? Or do you mean chanting, "Death, death to the IDF" isn't a crime under the U.K. law against incitement to violence? It wasn't just the "Death" chants that crossed the line. Bobby Vylan (real name Pascal Robinson-Foster) made other potentially criminal comments to the crowd, including an antisemitic rant about a Jewish recording exec with whom Robinson-Foster once worked. It's the totality of remarks at Glastonbury, not just the chant, that could be considered incitement. And if a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" isn't incitement to violence, what would you call it? The BBC could be in trouble because its producers didn't interrupt the livestream of Bob Vylan's performance when Robinson-Foster began with his hate-rap against Israel and Jews. The BBC and all other TV and radio broadcasters have an intentional "broadcast delay" or "deferred live" function to stop illegal or offensive content from reaching viewers/listeners. For a broadcast from a live event like Glastonbury, the delay would be about 30 seconds. That would give technicians time to delete the unwanted footage or audio track or to substitute it with other footage/audio. The BBC will indeed face questions as to why it didn't mute the "Death to Israel" chants. It's my understanding that the BBC uses a broadcast delay to mute "death" chants during football matches. If football fans aren't allowed to call for the death of rival teams, why are Hamas fans allowed to call for the death of the IDF?

Sometimes satire can convey the truth more effectively than straight facts, Some great satire about the BBC from a popular Israeli TV program. Sinwar's comments on the Israeli baby torturing him were masterful. The ridicule heaped on the BBC also gives great insight into the mindset of most Israeli Jews. They know bias when they see it. The BBC has been obvious for a long time.

Young Thai women are sometimes targeted by street muggers who believe these women are prostitutes carrying cash or wearing valuable jewelry. Elderly Asians are targeted for the same reason. Moreover, Asian women are seldom armed or fight back. Some of these attacks are motivated in part at least by racial hatred, but mostly it is because Asians are seen as "easy" targets. While areas of New York City can be dangerous, especially when compared to European and Asian cities, it is by no means the most dangerous city in the U.S. Homicide and other crime rates have dropped significantly since the 1990s. During some months pre-COVID, New York had fewer homicides than London, which was totally unprecedented in modern times. Reality Check: Has London's murder rate overtaken New York's? London had gotten a lot more dangerous while New York City had gotten much safer. Pre-COVID NYC was by far the safest large city in the U.S. and remains so. https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/articles/the-state-of-crime-in-new-york-city-at-midyear-2024

What is interesting is that many pro-Hamas protesters don't know what "intifada" means or to which river and sea the "Palestine will be free" chant refers.