citybiker

Not sure if I should ask how people’s view on the U.K. obtaining a FTA, especially the SNP faithful.

A belated merry Christmas to everyone btw.

English humour is a typical thing for the U.K.. 
 
There is also the "figure of speech" thing, apparently saying something must not always be considered to the letter of it. 
 
So, it seems that
"Leave" "Brexit" 
can now be considered as "English Humour"
or/and 
"A figure of speech". 
 

Millions disagree with you.
 
 

“Lastly, remainers are furious due to the PM sending two letters, once signed & one not, my prediction is...”
 
Who’s furious, I’m not.
 
Johnson displaying his feeble childish games is not something that annoys me in the least, it’s the nature of the beast.

 
re agreeing great new deal
 
just heard a cut on the radio with Corbyn asking MPs to vote against this deal,
 
which is bad for UK
which is bad for UK workers
which is bad for worker's rights
 
and also probably bad for a whole lot of other things .. . ..'
 

I'm a fence-sitter just like Corbyn. but unlike Corbyn I consider that the best approach would have been to address the leavers issues from a seat within the EU. Clearly the EU is nowhere near a perfect Union, nor for that matter is the UK, and especially the government whose austerity programme was one main reason why many  'fed-up' people, and 'out of workers' voted to leave.

 

As regards to respecting the vote, I acknowledge that the government promised to act on the result, but they fell far short of expectations. Nevertheless, both May and johnson delivered a deal that complies with the ballot paper of leaving the EU. That also has to be respected, including MP's. 

 

For example, as is the case for all MPs, I have a democratic right to oppose that decision along with Remainers, as does everyone else who abstained, who voted to leave, and those who oppose the (not as anticipated) deals made by May and johnson.

 

This is truly democracy in the UK - because everyone can join the party, not just 17.4m or 16.8m minority elements.

 

Labours biggest issue was consistently ignoring the EU referendum, Blair tried then renegade, the current Labour bunch a worst shower I’ve seen in years.

Brexit is similar to the Scottish Indyref IMO, the political class doesn’t get ‘their’ desired result thus using every weak woeful excuse to refuse or drag its feet to implement the result.

Both referendums have big a huge wake up call for the political establishment, it will take years for any kind of trust if at all to be reinstated.

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I still struggle to make sense of EUs sudden change of will. It was only a week ago that Tusk and Juncker declared that there wasn't enough time for a new deal. And all of a sudden he's chin down on the podium with Boris who looks like he just robbed the bank and got away with it.
 
What happened?
 
If I may speculate, I THINK they know something we don't. And the only plausible explanation I can come up with is that EU are trying to save a couple of bucks from what will otherwise be a No Deal Brexit.
 
I wonder if what they already know is that an extension will be declined by at least one member state.

Can one of you who has actually studied this "deal" explain it to me? I am neither a UK citizen nor a citizen of the EU, so I have little skin in the game other than that our company has a significant number of customers in the UK and if the GBP falls off a cliff it is going to hurt. But I just can't understand how this "deal" will work. From what I have read, Boris needs all 10 DUP ministers and at least 8 Labour ministers to support this in order to get it passed over the ones who have already flat out said they will reject any deal.
 
But at the same time, I read that Boris has completely capitulated to the EU over the issue of VAT, and agreed that NI will be taxed at the EU rates independent of the rest of the country.  This is baffling to me.  Since he absolutely has to have DUP support in order to get this passed, this seems totally counter productive. Why would any DUP minister support a deal that penalizes them with potentially higher taxes than the rest of the country? Lowering VAT is one of the easiest ways a country can stimulate its economy. It is almost inconceivable to me the UK won't use this lever when the economy starts going south (and let's be honest, the whole global economy is heading to the dumpster).  How could anyone in the DUP then, agree to punish their residents in this manner? It just doesn't seem to me there is a snowball's chance in H-E-double toothpicks that this can pass, as without the DUP this whole thing goes nowhere. Why would the EU even request something like this?
 
Have I completely missed something here? Is there some kind of VAT refund in the deal that will be offered to NI residents?  I would love to hear a coherent analysis on how the current deal can possibly work? Anyone? As I said, I don't have a direct stake in this fight, but the whole world will be affected by the changes to the currency markets. Just trying to figure out what prevantative measures are necessary.
 

No, I am asking you.

Are you prepared to accept Johnson's deal?

I am liking your civil and polite asterisk......plus I am 1000% on your Unionist stance - Scotland had a referendum and voted No and that's that. Stronger together and all that though a lot of your Brexiteer friends see it a a subsidy junkie on the English purse they would like to be rid of. 

I am liking your civil and polite asterisk......

Err you won a poisoned chalice that has poisoned British politics ever since. Well done. 

60 modified pages, 490 unmodified ?  

That was purely timing, nothing to do with either character. Mays deal was voted down as there were enough clowns around thinking they could get better and held a decent hand. Johnson’s deal (Mays deal) MAY get nodded through as the aforementioned clowns now realise they have been outsmarted every step of the way by the EU and they’re feeding on scraps! 

Err Varadkar has just said they would consider an extension depending what was offered to them. No one cares or listens to that drunkard anymore. 

You can argue all you want for a catastrophic Conflict with our neighbours, but that was not the basis of the Leave campaign.  Your elected government negotiated a deal that would minimise economic and political harm to our country, and hard-liners sabotaged it.  Now the Tory party has given the hardliners the reins.  Let them try to find a way out.
 
Good job, Boris!
 
 

Another challenge going through the courts in Belfast.
 
Edinburgh case back in court on Tuesday.
 
Miller case now the Miller/Major case.

"has been rejected/denied."
 
 
A small correction in full.....
3m ago 10:25
Judge Lord Doherty dismissed the action ahead of a full hearing originally set for 6 September.