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Now theres a surprise !
 
However how can it be undemocratic to take steps to uphold the views of the CURRENT democracy ? - we've moved on from 2016, it isn't wanted anymore therefore to deny the opportunity to overturn what is now more widely understood as uneducated lunacy is entirely undemocratic !
 
Bojo's thuggery removed the word 'democracy' from the leavers arsenal.
 
However all this isn't worth the upset - its temporary, the younger generations will restore closer links as there are far fewer racists and xenophobes amongst the young, as evidenced by the vote demographics, and thankfully the aforementioned racists and xenophobes will continue to die off to extinction, many thankfully have already left us !

The moment you stereotype people as racists & xenophobes is also a clear sign you’ve lost the argument.

Enjoy the thread.


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Apologise for this, so the Brexit hysteria continues however in short a very interesting couple of days, Remainers try to thwart Brexit by the undemocratic method of Remain Political Party leaders plotting to take over Parliament and halt a No Deal Brexit, or as they are all Remainers their real intent is to stop Brexit.

 

Boris fights back and uses ending the session of Parliament to have a Queens speech on the future direction of his Government (Perfectly Legal) and the Remain plotters are apoplectic, shouting that it is undemocratic. Hahahaha!

They have been outmaneuvered by Boris, he holds all the cards with the Queen giving her authority.

 

The plotters who oppose Brexit are now threatening court action and still attempting to use the remain Commons speaker John Bercow to overrule Boris.

Firstly: any court case is unlikely to get very far as it would be seen as interfering in Politics, and if it did succeed Boris could ignore it as unconstitutional.

It will not stop Gina Millar trying though.

 

Also, If Parliament with the assistance of biased Bercow takes over the order paper and tries to force Boris not to leave with No Deal, it would have to get through the House of Lords and as the Tory Remain leader Lord Young has now stood down. A Brexit leader will take over and will not do a deal like Lord Young did a few Months ago allowing the Cooper/Letwin plot to be rushed through, a Filibuster would be used to run out the time and the motion would be defeated.

 

Thus, if the plotters decided to call a vote of No Confidence in the Government Boris could close down Parliament and call for a GE in November or by sitting on his hands for 14 days and then calling for a GE, preventing an interim Corbyn led Government, both outcomes would pass the 31/10/2019 which means the UK leaves the EU by default!!

It appears Boris could have all the cards, the EU is now getting scared and as they are unwilling to give the UK a fair, constructive & mutually benifitual deal, it looks like the UK will leave on the 31/10/2019 on No Deal, or the EU buckles and gives us a good deal with no ties!!!

 

I fully expect people to disagree, others have a broad depth of knowledge, background and contacts to say otherwise however Brussels UK punishment plan has gone some what Pete Tong.

 

(Some Extracts taken from alternative sources)

 

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Only in the mind of a very confused individual is being pro-EU same as being anti-British. I'm not a Brit and not in the EU but I'm pro both.
A strong EU with GB as a member is overwhelmingly beneficial to the population of Europe and a tremendously positive and much needed factor in world politics.

There lays the flaw, a strong EU which is far from the truth.

Believe all the faux EU unity propaganda you like, reality is quite different.

GB is the equivalent of at least 10/12 smaller MS states leaving this so called harmonious bloc, I make no secret I’m Pro Europe but dislike the EU autocratic arrogance if anyone tries to challenge them.

As for the G7 squabbles, hardly unexpected & Macron should be used to this stuff with weeks of gillet protests within his own country due to his failure as a President.




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city of london and the nation of Eire are 2 completely different things,and what "buffer" are you referring to,baseline focus? thats a new one to me,i do believe vauxhall are preparing to get a grip.
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Vauxhall is PSA (aka French owned & currently blackmailing HMG) will do what it’s shareholders tell them.

City & ROI are of course two different identities, one has much more to lose than the other & one is far more tolerant to the economic stress tests.



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still nowhere near enough been planned to leave in october despite BJs waffle

 

I partially concur, May wasted 3 years as an EU doormat as they never took her seriously, the ball is firmly back in the EU to avoid a ND.

 

City of London are rightly concerned, however they can withstand the buffer far more than ROI & the EU. As for the £? Fluctuation is normal, the fact that Boris plan is sending tangible jitters gives markets a baseline focus, its uncertainty they hate.

 

If after 3 years businesses haven’t their BRP, business resilience plan reviewed, practiced & prepared then more fool them, I’m not talking about just SME, all unprepared businesses need to get a grip.

 

 

 

 

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Boris has won,and he knows it,EU have lost,and probably know it too.
 
  All UK has to do is stop Eire goods traffic transiting through the UK,just a matter of weeks if not days to completion.  The EU could not and will not support Eire through that scenario,could not afford it either,rip the EU apart.    Yes EU will reply same-same probably,but UK could hold out longer and except for France have indicated passage of UK goods will be allowed.
 
  Trumps deal needs implementing poste haste,goods on US supermarkets shelves,same as UK ,but fresher,larger and damned cheaper,just distribution needs implementing, once implemented ,tied permanently to the US then,no bad thing,EU markets lost forever.   51st state of the US coming up,better than being tied to the EU

I disagree the UK will become any version of 51st state, only the MSM & Trump haters will exacerbate this.

I concur on the logistic traffic element, ROI will be heavily impacted on ND however Dover/Calais have already stated business continues.

Lastly, a Boris/UK win will depend on tangible form how Brexit IS delivered. I do admire Boris on his not visiting EU states unless renegotiations are opened up, only talking on phone thus piling pressure on EU/ROI. I fully expect political (external & internal) bitching to get really nasty in the countdown to 31st October.

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Fine. Just as long as you recognise the Tories own Brexit as far as the UK is concerned. 

As Parliament voted in 'majority' for A50 Brexit is collective responsibility.

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No Deal it is, then. Why would the EU be interested in saving the UK's CON party's skin? This is what it is all about when said and done.
They held the referendum. 
They promised to deliver.
They didn't. 
They are now tearing themselves apart because of it as they don't know what they want.
They own this mess.

No deal is very highly likely however still avoidable, May & Barnier have failed, so far. An agreed extension until 31 Oct legally runs out as per A50.

The DUP could quite easily collapse the Government however IIRC the C&S is with the party not the leader, I believe the relationship with Boris & DUP is far better than May (hardly difficult to achieve).

Boris has made it clear, he's not visiting EU country leaders Merkel, Macron et al unless they reopen the WA, the PM has also made it clear the current WA is dead.....which he does have a mandate for as the HoC rejected it 3 times.

It now appears the blame game is truely alive and well & the EU being stubbornly obstinate refusing to renegotiate just shows Brussels autocratic arrogant at it's finest.

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There is a narrow minded view on the issue, the UK is focused on trade without giving any consideration to identity.
Currently the nationalists in NI see an acceptable situation where they can live in NI effectively as Irish citizens with Irish passports. Any change to that arrangement and it is almost certain there will be a call for a referendum.
The Single Market Act puts a legal obligation on the EU to protect the single market, something else Boris would rather ignore.

With the DUP & it's C&S arrangement im sure identity isn't forgotten.

Bearing mind, the DUP has held the Tories to the fire & full credit to them, they've been consistent from day one. The Tories under May was full blown compromise despite Mays faux red lines.

Boris is different leader & kettle of fish, along with Dominic Rabb Brussels better get it's negotiating head on or Germany's BGA will demand EU heads to roll. Simply sitting back & refusing to renegotiate is an unwise tactic.

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