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3 hours ago, dabhand said:
Interested in where you get your stats for Covid-19 deaths in Italy.
Seem to be rather adrift of these stats:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-group-italy/
Those data are misleading... "Mortality rate by age group"...
But.. how many people in each group ?
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So here are THE REAL DATA for Italy :
(source = report march 20 from Italy’s National Health Service)
-the average age of infected dead in Italy is.... 78,5 !
-on 3200 deads.... only 36 were younger than... 50.
Other striking fact :
-Lombardy province = 68 % of the dead
-they have analysed the medical background of 15 % of the 3200 dead (= sample of 15 %)
-48 % of the sample... HAD 3 OR MORE prior pathologies...
26,6 % had 2.
23,5 had 1.
-only 6 dead people... had 0.
What to think of this ?The conclusion (to this date) is inescapable :
1= in Italy, the virus kills old people who are already sick
2= in Italy, the number of dead people from the virus... is statistically insignificant (I remind you that in 2019, a total of 647 000 italians died, and 633 000 the previous year. That's for the scale.)
The medias, the demented politicians and the apocalypse gurus can say and do whatever they want : they cant' beat demographics... and the real hard data.
But I repeat : this is for Italy.
And disclaimer number 2... this is valid on march 20 (they say now that the virus is actually in Italy since january 1. So almost 3 months).
Yes, it's possible that in the coming months, the virus could cull half of the country.
Possible.... But unlikely.
We will have to wait the final "score" in december.
And to be totally openminded, you'll find here other interesting data, but very narrow (from small cities).
They show a clear SURMORTALITY since january, compared to previous years.
But let's remember... Even if the number of dead quadruple compared to the yearly average in a small village... it doesn't mean that on the national scale it could have any impact.
(something is clearly wrong with Lombardy province.... Could be air pollution, and/or massive vaccination done against meningitis... there was a small outbreak in Bergame area).
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WHO's praises :
-lie
-lie again
-make the people laugh by your orders and counter-orders
-repeat our words like monkeys (but without the bananas)
-mimic what other countries are doing, even if it's totally stupid
-do not think by yourself
-and very important : do not test (use any possible excuses to delay, to postpone, to change the criterias etc.) DO NOT TEST.
It's the utmost importance that the livestock, sorry the people, believe that the virus kills half of the infected, that the virus is a "destroyer of worlds".
So we need to keep the number of cases LOW. Capiche ?
Eventhough the virus is everywhere, and most people do not even feel it.
Voilà.
If you follow this "plan", you'll get our "praises".
Happy ?
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April fool prank.
Live insanity.
It's like opening a door in a mad brain and have a peek...
It's really fascinating.
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I love the... "sudden move".
The real central banks around the world have reacted, on a huge, demented scale, already.
And our thai friends, always, arrive after the war. And in a riduculous manner...
0.25 ?
I mean why not a third of quarter of a point ? That would be even better, no ? as far as "cautious" is concerned...
And meanwhile, the pseudo thai governement is thinking to copy western countries : lockdown, curfew, shutdown of the whole economy...
No plan. Nothing.
It's really scary.
A bunch of maniacs running around like headless chicken, with no plan whatsoever....
Ah si sorry... -0.25 on interest rates...
Good luck to all.
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General curfew, compulsory quarantine, and national lockdown ?
For a few hundreds cases.
And 1 dead.
When are you going to wake up ?
When are you going to oppose those demented "authorities" who use your fears ?
Who are those inane "politicians" ? "Thai Civilised, Thai People Justice and Tairaktham" ?
What is their agenda here ?
How dumb and manipulated they are themselves ?
Who give them their "orders" ?
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Bravo sir.
At last someone with common sense and who is able to use his brain and who refuses to be overwhelmed by emotions.
The Diamond Princess was indeed a "proof". A perfect petri dish.
But most of the people have a memory span of a red fish.
Other symbolic case : Veneto, the small city in Italy.
Test of all the 3300 inhabitants... 3 % were infected... Half of those were asymptomatic.
That's another very important point to repeat : yes the virus is very contagious (like the common cold or the flu)... but most of the infected... will feel absolutely nothing. Or a light cold.
Terrible outcome for a virus that is supposed to massacre the whole planet ! A runny noise and light headache...
And finaly : the cognitives biases.
You'll always find someone to say : "yes but the virus kills young people as well ! I saw it on TV it's horrible".
Sure.
But how many in percentage ?
And then : "yes but we do not have enough beds ! We are going to die !"
Sure. But how many more ? In percentage ?
And then : "yes but if your grand-mother is killed by this virus you'll see it differently".
No. Who cares about individual tragedies ?
Any death is an individual tragedy. But with a total population of 7 700 000 000 (7,7 billions), 1 death, 10 deaths, 1000 deaths, 100 000 deaths, even 1 000 000 are irrelevant.
That's the key point : scales.
Like you said about ebola.
My personal scale is the 20 000 old people who were culled by the heatwave in summer 2003 in France (20 000 in Italy as well... Total estimated for Europe : 70 000).
At that time, after this national tragedy... the french governement created....a tax. No joke. 1 day of work with no salary (salaries were paid but to the state directly)...A tax to better take care... of old people. But that's another story (albeit it helps to understand how those parasistes use so called crisis against us).
If the virus kills more than 20 000 people in France, I will be on alert. I will awake from my deep sleep.
To this day.. 450 deaths in France.
I know i can continue to sleep deep...
Meanwhile for 450 deaths (reminder : more than 600 000 people die every year in France, like in Italy) the country is locked down, the whole economy is collapsing...
This is the real disaster.
This is the mass suicide.
Of bodies, souls and minds.
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5 minutes ago, CGW said:
Wonder what the suicide rate will be? Becoming apparent a lot of people are not strong enough to tolerate disruption to the norm ????
Ah... the "norm"... That's a nice way to put it.
Please, go to explain the "norm" to :
-a thai family for instance who owns and runs a restaurant.
No income anymore. Nill. Zero.
-a tourist guide
-a highly skilled technician in the car industry
-a blue or white collar... in the airline industry
-and all the little people... who benefit from the income created by all the previous people (by selling goods and services to them).
There isn't any "balance" here.
To sacrifice those people in the name of a fight against a stupid virus that kills a few old people... is the real crime.
Is the real suicide, like you said...
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"Confusion" ? Really ?
I always thought that it was more easy for a Thai to understand... the thai way of thinking...
Well they could always send an email to general Prayuth to explain to him their feelings...
Meanwhile, a little thought too for the thousands of non-thais... who are just as baffled by the sheer stupidity of those new regulations...
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No ? Really ?
Who would have guessed ? !
This is what happen when demented authorities decide to "shut down" everything, just to mimic other demented governments that are fighting a so-called "war" against... a flu-like virus.
10 500 deaths for the whole planet with a population of 7,7 billions...
Well done guys.
Please continue the mass hysteria, the madness.
While a few thousands old people die from a virus.... dozen, even hundred of millions of people have and will have their life shattered by the global recession, created, designed, enhanced, excused by this stupid virus.
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57 minutes ago, dogfish180 said:
How are 322 people a burden on the health system?? ???? Or is there something you aren't sharing with us?
Exactly.
Another inane statement from an inept prime minister.
Burden ? What is he talking about ?
Then... don't close Bangkok because it's not a solution, but stay home because that's the solution...
Again, even in thai, it's meaningless.
Prayuth starts to loose his bolts. Send him back to... his barracks.
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49 minutes ago, Brunolem said:
Needless to say that buybacks will not come back anytime soon...so what will push the markets up?
The answer is obvious : the central banks !
FED, BCE BOJ, BOE etc. It's a festival of "QE" (the nice letters for the bad word "printing-money-until-it-blows-in-supernova")
It's even difficult to follow the additions of.... trillions.
And let's be clear.... This is not new.
But they can't do anything else. They can only continue to accelerate. That's the way the system is wired.
It's Star Trek : "To infinity and beyond" ????
This is why, incidentally , the people who bet on "bankruptcies" (big banks, and big "friend" companies) are totally mistaken.
The one who will loose everything are... the little ones. As usual.
The Joe Blows.
For them no bailout, no QEs...
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And since we compare... why nobody is talking about :
-South Korea
-Taiwan
-Singapore
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No lockdown, no "drama" there.
Why ?
Because : they are first world countries... when Italy, France, Spain became third-world (with massive migration from Africa).
Furthermore, regarding Italy, there is another obvious factor :
-the virus target weak people... old people
-and in Italy 22 % of population is over 65 years old (versus 11 % in China)
It's one of the oldest population in the world... Median age = 46
Add 1 + 2 = mess.
But, and sorry to remind you the facts...
With 3500 deaths from the virus in Italy (average age 79, and most of them with prior illnesses), when 647 000 italians died in 2019 and 630 000 in 2018... this "viral mess" is a statistical non-event.
Shocked ? Yes you should be.
What is shocking is the amount of artificial fear and terror.
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We know that the virus is widespread. Already.
Because :
-Iconic cases (cruise ship in Japan, and Veneto, the small town in Italy, and of course South Korea)
AKA : the more you test... the more you find.
-several studies and official reports (the last one from Governor of California : "We project that roughly 56 percent of our population -- 25.5 million people -- will be infected with the virus over an eight week period")
[source]
https://www.foxla.com/news/newsom-requests-trump-deploy-usns-mercy-hospital-ship-to-los-angeles
-basic common sense : many ministers, MP, officials and... movie/TV stars are infected. The only way, from a statistical point of view, to explain this... is that the virus is widespread among the population. All the population.
Do we agree on this fact ?
OK.
So if we agree that virtually everybody on earth will be infected at one point or another... then the "CFR" (case fatality ratio) of this terrible virus... will be very, very low... unlike the crazy calculations people make for Italy, Iran etc.
Do we agree on this fact ?
Here you are.
We've just demonstrated that this virus is bad, annoying, and will probably kill a few dozen thousands people on the planet (on a population of 8 billions), but is not apocalyptic.
To shut down the world for this... is pure insanity.
(and please do not tell me about individual tragedies... that's not the point here).
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Mister P follows the textbook of his handler.
Xi Jingping.
Xi said exactly the same in China. "blablabla or face.... your fate" (of course in China, they do not transfert... they terminate... it's more efficient).
So Mister P is excited. At last, he can mimic his heroe... but without the flesh on the bones.
Everybody is laughing. Nobody will be "transfered". And nobody will be punished.
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3 hours ago, RickBradford said:
Yup, those 3,000 dead Italians are just a hoax.
Idiot. Or troll.
The average age of those 3000 dead people is.... 79,5.
Most of them with 1 or several prior illnesses.
It means... most of them would have died during this year anyway. With or without virus.
On the report on march 17... ONLY 17 dead were under 50 years old.
More than 630 000 italians die, each year.
So who is the troll and the intellectually deficient now ?
If you can't grasp the scales... you are brainwashed.
If you want to study more :
-Diamond Princess cruise boat :
->Perfect environment for the virus to thrive
->And perfect "target population" : old people (they are the main customers for cruises).
Despite those facts... What is the score ?
3500 people on board : 710 infected, 7 dead, 14 still in serious conditions.
Are you able to calculate percentages, or should we do it for you ?
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3 minutes ago, dogfish180 said:Don't forget to wear your face mask while you ride your motorcycle without a helmet ????????
That would be a beautiful epitaph to this... stupid chinese virus !
(yes, I dare to call it the "chinese virus", like the "spanish flu"... just to annoy the PC chills brigrade, and all the commies on Beijing's payroll. My bad)
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6 hours ago, sapson said:
They could simply allow everyone an additional 90 days on their current permission to stay date.
No need to panic visit immigration causing them an enormous workload or do anything just the 100% directive clear statement issued and understanding that we all have 90 days extra to our current stamp under this emergency situation...........simple hassle free.
Too simple !
Ockam Razor...
Why would they come up with a simple and perfect solution as this one ? When the point of their job, their mindset is to create complicated, pointless regulations, exceptions... the Fog of War.
What would you call a civil servant who is doing everything possible to make his job... irrelevant ?
A fool.
So the thai immigration, confronted to a real problem, will come up with many solutions, exceptions... complicated, and open to interpretations.
Because that's the way they are wired.
Because that's the only way they can justify their army of "civil servants" with beautiful uniforms, their budgets, their benefits etc.
It's not even a bet anymore. Pascal and his wager can go to hell.
It's an absolute certainty.
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The virus is everywhere. That's the keypoint that all those so called "experts" brush aside.
You should study the "Veneto" case.
This is a small town in Italy : 3300 inhabitants.
The mayor decided to TEST ALL OF THEM.
Results ?
3 % where infected... 100 people... And half of those 100... were totally asymptomatic.
This case, like the cruise boat in Japan (3500 people on board, 712 infected, 7 dead, 14 cases still "serious")... is the proof that :
-the CFR is MUCH LOWER than what the demented "experts" and politicians (following the first) are telling you, to enslave you within your own fear.
-the CFR of this virus... is higher than the normal flu. But not apocalyptic.
-like the common cold or normal flu, millions of people were, are and will be infected. And most of them, will feel... nothing. Many of them will have a "cold".
This is a big flu. That's all. Like every year, flu viruses kill old people and with prior illnesses.
To shut down the whole planet for that, is just plain madness.
Or social engineering on a insane scale.
But in any case, you have to wake up. And stand against this.
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"I am french... and I do not approve this message"
????
Using a ridiculous "pseudo", talking like a textbook... The guy is on the payroll.
Have you noticed ? Suddendly, thai "doctors" and "tourists" are telling us that the situation is very bad in Thailand, blablabla.
It's propaganda.
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Stage 3 ?
Who cares ?
We could say we are in stage 78. or 376733.
The virus, like a common cold or a common flu, is everywhere.
Million of us have been, are infected or will be infected.
So what ?
And like common flu, but a hard one, a few hundred will die (for Thailand, a country with a population of 70 millions). Perhaps a few thousands in the worst case scenario.
So what ?
We let maniacs to shut down the whole world... for this ?
When every year, in this very country, thousands of old people die, from illnesses, and more than 20 000 young people die from cars/bikes accidents ?
We need to wake up from this nightmare.
As people, we need to take a stand, and to say "stop, no more".
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"PM ready to close Thai borders to do like all the other countries because it's now fashion to do so"
Fixed for you.
Benefits ?
Nill. Zero.
If you wanted to avoid the virus, closing the borders was the only thing to do... in january.
But now ?
That's just another proof that those clowns do not think... But are led by emotions and just mimic other governements.
The Emperor's New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen.
A tale.
We live in a tale.
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1 hour ago, glennb6 said:once again, in a country of nearly 70,000,000 there has been ONE death and supposedly 212 infected. So what if the number of infections are more - people have been getting sick from influenza since forever, and it sucks to be sick with the flu.
Common sense has been thrown under the bus. And it's a worldwide phenomenon.
How is that possible ?
-very low level governements/civil servants. That's a common problem all over the world, in this 21th century. People are getting dumb and dumber. It's a turbo for inane policies.
It's idiocracy, nothing less, nothing more.
-so called "experts" dictatorship. Again, it's a common disease of "modernity". Those experts are in a race... They must overdo/overbid their peers. In every subject, in order to simply exist.
So If one expert says "1 million deaths because of the virus"... Another one will say "10 millions". And he will win.
-social networks. Instant communication. People do not think anymore.
They have emotions.
Add to this already horrible soup... the special touch of our thai friends... And you get even more weird, absurd, surreal reactions.
So this thai "doctor", who arrived after the war (why he didn't talk 2 months ago ? To ask to cut all links with China ?)... is just good enough to repeat the chinese textbook.
His 15 minutes of fame.
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6 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:
Ponder this in the past 20 years think of all of the bloody pandemics, aids, flu's you name it. Any countries ever lock down because of it, NO! Just a little odd that with President Trump in office everyone is loosing their minds.
It's indeed a mass hysteria.
And worse. We are inside the short tale of Hans Christian Andersen : The Emperor's New Clothes.
We start to see the reality (a big flu, nothing else)... the emperor is naked... but the people can only doubledown in madness, surrounded by demented so-called "specialists"... Politicians become victims and start to
overbid themselves, afraid to be "different", afraid of their own shadows, afraid to be out of fashion."This country has shut down. So we need to do the same"
"Why ?"
"Because ! And I will tell you : we need to do more !"
"Why ?"
"Because !"
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Here are important hard data from Italy.
To this date : 2 500 deaths from the virus.
Silvio Brusaferro, head of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità, press conference Rome, march 13.
"Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years - 80.3 to be exact...The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases. Only two people were not presently carriers of [other non-COV] diseases', but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge."
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So to the demented people who were talking about 600 000 deaths in Italy if nothing is done... and all the maniacs afraid of their own shadows.... you are clueless.
The Wuhan Virus is not much, in the grand scheme of things.
It kills old people, sick, who would have died anyway during the year. And a few young people (yes, bad luck)... Period.
I agree.... those are thousands of individual and family tragedies... but from a demographic point of view, on the world scale,.... IT'S NOTHING.
I remind you that 647 000 italians died in 2019.
633 000 in 2018.
So to close the world, the whole world for this so called "threat", is just sheer madness.
You are not sick from the virus.
But sick in your mind (most of you).
Covid-19: Governor of Chonburi says please don't leave the province
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by christophe75
The pattern is clear
The same governor who decided to close all 7/11 shops... from 10 PM to 5 AM ? (source Richard Barrow).
Why ? Because he is the governor and he can.
He wants to outdo all his little friends on the "war against the virus" front.
He wants Bangkok to notice him. He is a good follower. A good apprentice. He is a doer.
Tomorrow, another governor will feel bad and will decide even shorter times for shops. Or something else ?
The insane "competition" between inane officials has started.
As for his "plea" to the people of Pattaya... again... no rational thinking behind. The government has decided to destroy the jobs of hundred of thousands of people, their way of life... so you can't ask them to stay put and to not going back to their family upcountry.
This is survival.
Some of them will bring back the virus with them ? Sure.
But it was necessary to think about it before to destroy unilaterally and without any legitimate cause (5 deads and 1000 cases) the economy of this country.
So now, "governors" and other "officials", do not cry a river, do not try to and exist through "press releases", TV interviews and other "pleas to the people"...
You have failed 69 millions of people.
Deal with it. Live with it.