Tofer

22 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Right so you only count the foreign aid from EU countries as what comes from the EU institutions? Each individual countries contributions are ignored?  

As individual countries, they are recorded as such and are listed individually on the chart, as is the EU Institution, NB. Institution in the singular, not the EU Institutions as you tried to misdirect.

Try reading the chart it's quite clear to most people.

21 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And you would need to include foreign aid from each of the individual countries within the EU.

No, it was referenced as "the EU Institution"

On 3/17/2021 at 3:44 PM, 7by7 said:

Indeed, most of them are simply roll overs of previous deals negotiated by the EU which we had when we were members or, like the Japanese one, the crumbs from the EU's table.

Even so, those countries would be fools not to be keeping a wary eye on us, following Johnson's stated willingness to tear up international agreements and treaties whenever it suits him.

Blah, blah, blah, same old churlish nonsense, to deflect from the UK's real achievements, that has already been debated ad nauseam.

On 3/17/2021 at 4:55 PM, candide said:

I know it because the contract precisely describes how the initial €336 million funding must be used. So It's you who missed the point.

The contract also specifies the delivery schedule.

Facts please, not supposition!

On 3/17/2021 at 2:07 PM, Rookiescot said:

Have you included foreign aid from EU institutions? 

Yes. Read the data displayed in the chart of the earlier post on this thread. The Eu lag behind Britain simply on monetary value, not even considering the miniscule percentage of their population and GNI that must represent, which are left blank presumably for that very reason.

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

The UK's foreign aid programme has, historically, surpassed any of the EU nations commitment.............apart from Germany.

I suggest you read your own link in full.

The UK's foreign aid programme has surpassed that of the EU's, including Germany, since our contributions as a percentage of GNI are higher.

20 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Signed....not negotiated

What a ridiculous statement.

4 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

Very nicely edited to distort the facts, since the chart, in full, clearly shows the UK top of the list of European countries as a percentage of GNI.

Thank you for proving my earlier point.

On 3/13/2021 at 5:21 PM, candide said:

So where did they put the €336 million prepayment made in August?

The aim of a prepayment is just that: finance expenses related to the order made, so that the supplier doesn't need to use his own money.

And you know that how??

You missed the point, it is AZ's money the minute it is handed over, under whatever terms the contract required for advance payment.

The EU did not sponsor the development in advance of it being certified for use, they waited for it's approval before lodging their orders for a fully regulated product, unlike the UK.

It's no big deal anymore anyway, since the EU prefer to play vindictive politics with thousands of EU citizens lives, by suspending it's use contrary to their own EU medical regulators and the WHO's scientific advice.

On 3/13/2021 at 4:45 PM, Hi from France said:

I do not believe a word of this, especially in regard to Northern Europe countries. 

But I trust you can prove what you are writing here ? 

The truth is in your answer, since you would, without exception, find your precious quotations to disprove that statement if you could.

I've told you before, I'm not about to waste my time searching for evidence, since I know it to be a fact from common MSM news reports. I rely on my mental ability to retain facts and don't therefore need to plagiarise others opinions. You can accept that or not, I really don't give a fig...

On 3/13/2021 at 4:27 PM, 7by7 said:

But remember, the Withdrawal Agreement was signed and agreed by both sides over a year ago; and Johnson has since threatened several times to break that!

That was a precursor to a subsequent trade agreement, applied in good faith. So far this would also be deemed null and void, since there's been little good faith and it's not even been signed and ratified by the EU to date.

On 3/13/2021 at 4:27 PM, 7by7 said:

Would you sign any form of contract with someone who has a history of tearing them up, as you suggested, soon after signing them?

If so, you are a fool.

Does that opinion apply then to all the trade deals Liz Truss has signed with about 70 countries?

Your delicate sensibilities don't apply in real business world, of which you obviously have no concept or experience.

On 3/8/2021 at 1:19 PM, candide said:

 

The answer was in the post you truncated.

That was not an answer! It was a statement of where AZ chose to invest their money, not the EU's money, to expand their facilities. Or are you suggesting the EU's late order payment was a direct contribution to the development of the AZ production facilities in Europe? In which case back it up with facts.

On 3/11/2021 at 9:25 PM, Hi from France said:

no need to wonder

Now how many doses of vaccine did the UK export yet ?

 

 

 

Or is the UK's usefulness to the world on vaccine in line with the 50% cut from the overseas aid budget?

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/aid

Thank you for the further evidence of the EU's ineptitude, since I presume these exports of the vaccine manufactured within the EU territory are honouring the orders contracted prior to the EU getting their act together.

Nice bit of propaganda there at the end, since you don't identify any of the EU produced vaccines as having been donated by the EU to underdeveloped countries.

The UK's foreign aid programme has, historically, surpassed any of the EU nations commitment.

On 3/11/2021 at 4:00 PM, 7by7 said:

 Yes, let's prove to the countries we are so desperate to sign trade deals with that we can't be trusted!

I've never yet come across a contract that has the word trust used in any of it's vocabulary.

Further more, if the EU don't sign it, it's null and void.

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

Oh you sure was good at it making special line in your contract with AZ....that is why E.U. go act as bailif for goods paid but not delivered at them ....????

The UK input their investment in the vaccine development, before they were even approved for use. The EU have, presumably paid for their order, which doesn't entitle them to queue jump.

On 3/5/2021 at 12:27 AM, candide said:

That was expected.

That was disgusting, and indefensible.

The EU's contractual legal battle with AZ is not a valid reason to prevent the export to countries who are ahead in the queue for delivery.

On 3/4/2021 at 10:45 PM, david555 said:

(Seems things are getting hot tempered .....????)  on Italy's request...

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1405595/Italy-vaccine-news-Australia-Oxford-AstraZeneca-shipment-blocked-EU-latest-Covid

 

EU blocks shipment of 250,000 Oxford vaccines to Australia after Italy makes plea
ITALY has activated the European Union's vaccine export ban to block a shipment of life-saving jabs being sent to Australia.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 14:56, Thu, Mar 4, 2021 | UPDATED: 15:34, Thu, Mar 4, 2021

 

Rome triggered the mechanism to stop 250,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine from being sent outside the bloc. It notified the European Commission who signed off on blockade as part of its vaccine export transparency scheme. Brussels is currently engaged in a furious battle with the Anglo-Swedish firm after it delayed a shipment of doses to EU member states.

Under the scheme, EU-based vaccine makers must secure approval from national health authorities before shipping their jabs abroad.

 

At a virtual summit of the bloc’s leaders, Italian prime minister Mario Draghi last week questioned why the bloc had not deployed its draconian powers.

 

more...

I wonder how long it will take before the EU accept their shame and admit their failings, instead of disrupting supplies to countries that have legitimate orders - disgusting.

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

 

"In the EU we have proper standards" -- and believe everything were told by Brussels...

Horse meat is beef, and chlorinated vegetables are good for you, but we won't have chlorinated chicken....  ????

19 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Covid-hit Eurostar is at risk of bankruptcy

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-hit-Eurostar-is-at-risk-of-bankruptcy-with-international-borders-closed-in-France-except-for-limited-exemptions

 

Maybe time for a name change Brexitstar or SterlingStar would be a good option

19 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Still it will be worth it if it gives all the Brexiteers a nice warm fuzzy feeling to know that such a petty thing was done.

Maybe they're just taking a leaf out of the EU's book...

19 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

The EU will not allow the insult to its ambassador to go unanswered. It will cost the UK something.

Usually does, with the EU's petty punishment regime.

I long for the day the UK retaliate a bit more strongly with tightening of the import controls.

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Don't worry about it, Sujo.

 

I've been offline for a couple of days, so my stalker has had to find something to amuse himself.

We missed you soooo much, since of course the world revolves around your posts.... ????

Just trying to keep you inline. However, you should know better, being an ex-mod....

15 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I hope none of the ingredients come from the EU.

No chance - we don't like horsemeat or chlorinated vegetables.... ????

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

@Tofer, although you've quoted me several times while I've been offline, I can't be bothered to respond to each and every one of them.

 

Especially the one where you boast about your past in the building trade. Other than to say that you may not have claimed income support or even NIC credits when an unemployed builder, but if you never worked on the lump and/or did cash in hand jobs then you're probably the only builder in the UK who hasn't!

 

As the rest of you posts boil down to the same old whinge about the EU victimising us by not allowing us to keep all the benefits of membership after we left; I refer you to the posts made by others.

I'm not a builder, I'm a project architect, developer and property manager. So your slight is way off the mark, especially since I'm usually the one paying out not receiving. Since you obviously cannot support your theories, I'll treat your libellous insult with the contempt it deserves.

Obviously, debating / sparing is too difficult for you if you can't parrot others articles, and if this is an example of your capacity for original thought, I would stick to your usual MO in future.

My statement, or boast as you refer to it, was simply to correct your misguided perceptions, since you criticised the expat community in Thailand for sitting around on their backsides, in comparison to the UK benefits claimants, totally incomparable. However, I wish you full enjoyment of my fully paid up taxes whilst you sit around on your backside.