Tofer

11 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

BUT its not an opinion ... it's a FACT.  The highest death toll in Europe does NOT point towards a well managed pandemic...

Neither does it absolve the British public of any responsibility for the figures... Or did you miss my comment about the vast reductions in incidents during the strictly applied lockdowns???

I.e. not fact - opinion!!

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

This rapid spread of the epidemic had little to do with individuals..but had a whole lot to do with the government's mid management...125000 deaths bacs that. 

You're entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be, as am I.

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Bout time YOU got over the vote.its gone and done. Reminders leavers. It's irrelevant.  DONE.... PAST .  

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. I've got nothing to get over, since we got the result we wanted. But I couldn't agree more. pity you don't practice what you preach....

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

That is PROVING to be an unmitigated borderline economic disaster...short term, mid term and looks like could well be long term...and the 'crowning Jem' is that it WILL facilitate that the break up of the United Kingdom..

More baseless crowing / predictions.

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

But  for the UK economy its PROVING to be expensive unproductive stupid idea

It's not an idea, it's a fact - get over it, as you just said.....

17 hours ago, candide said:

The cost of Brexit exceeds by far the former contributions to the EU budget.

That's a wild unsubstantiated claim!

Furthermore, you are twisting the argument, yet again. My  post was a response relating to the absence of any funds from the EU's Covid recovery fund, and the fact it couldn't be established as a factual figure and, specifically that it was likely to be less than our contributions would have been. It had nothing to do with your ramblings about the cost of Brexit...

17 hours ago, candide said:

The cover vaccine issue is unrelated to Brexit, as mentioned several times.

I never said it was. What I said was that the Brexit was not the only reason for the state of the economy. No point commenting if you cannot follow the thread, or was it just another attempt to discredit my post.

17 hours ago, candide said:

  18 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

I just did, or are your literary capabilities failing you.

17 hours ago, candide said:

The rest of your post is just about better tomorrows without anything tangible.

The rest of which post? The above post you quoted was the sum total of my post.

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

The death rate from Covid in the UK is second only to Belgium so you'd better get the vaccine right.

 

Never, you're actually admitting the epicentre of the EU has faired worse than the UK....

The reduction in incidence and deaths during strict lock downs, proves my case, i.e. the population ignoring the safety issues is a major contributor to increased numbers of incidents and deaths, wherein they are not capable of taking personal responsibility for their actions. Too entrenched in the nanny state attitude, and believing it's always somebody else' problem.

It's a wonder they can manage to wipe their own backsides, without being told to do so.

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

Failure to provide adequate PPE and test and tracing apparatus lies firmly with the government and the dreadful death toll.

Contracts awarded to their cronies.

45% refers to the total amount of British exports destined for the EU.

Now  downgraded to third country status by a delusional belief in sovereignty.

What, your trying to say the entire 45% of UK exports to the EU have been cancelled - nonsense...

The absence of PPE stock piles was nothing to do with Boris' government, it was a legacy he inherited.

Ye of little faith. Happily there is a larger majority of UK citizens with a backbone.

42 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

In REALITY they have NEVER been able to give any .....It's just a damn right shame they cant see that they've bought into a rather stupid idea EXTREMELY well marketed.

I detect sour grapes in the air.....

1 hour ago, 3 minus 2 said:

'may' being the operative word... there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE  that there are or will be any benefits from brexit  EVER  .   As for HUGE contribution n  IT ISNT   GO CHECK   it equated to a fraction of% of GDP... Which would have been EASILY offset by the economic package availible for covid recovery from the EC    and as for calling a getting a vaccination programme underway a few weeks b4 our neighbours.. 125000 deaths so far the HIGHEST in Europe suggests... NO STATES the government have done an absolute appalling job but you keep name calling and offering idiotic' back to the wall '   ILL INFORMED.... NONSENCE.  

Eyes tight shut and no faith or foresight I suggest.

The contribution was, I believe £350M / week. How much exactly would we have got in the EU recovery fund - you've no idea, since we had already left it has never been discussed.

It appears it would probably choke you to admit the vaccination programme is a resounding success, and has left the EU in it's wake. Not a few weeks difference - 3 months, and that was just for placing orders, the consequential delays are far in excess.

1 hour ago, candide said:

So, in brief, you are unable to cite any tangible benefit.

I just did, or are your literary capabilities failing you.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

A vaccination success  due to the NHS, not Boris's crony company friends, and a success after over 100,000 dead. One  of the worst death rates in the world.

So we deliberately damage 45% of our total exports by volunteering to be a third country with all the handicaps that brings.

Economic stupidity of the worst order.

 

 

 

I think you'll find it was Boris' government who provided development funding and committed orders - not the NHS. But don't let the truth interfere with your vitriol.

Look to your own countrymen who ignored lock down rules and held 400 strong raves etc, etc, before laying the entire blame at Boris' door step, with your diatribe. You're like a broken disingenuous record. 

Which 45% would that be, kindly enlighten us?

32 minutes ago, webfact said:

England's quarantine hotels open in bid to keep COVID variants out

 

FILE PHOTO: An airplane flies over a Travelodge hotel at Heathrow Airport, amid the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic, in London, Britain, February 12, 2021. REUTERS/Peter Cziborra

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Passengers arriving in England from Monday from any of 33 “red list” countries will have to spend 14 days quarantined in a hotel room under new border restrictions designed to stop new variants of the coronavirus.

 

The launch of the system, which had already been set out earlier this month, marks the government’s latest effort to prevent another relapse into crisis after a second wave of a more contagious COVID-19 variant forced the country into a prolonged lockdown at the start of the year.

 

New cases, deaths and hospitalisations are falling sharply and the rollout of vaccines has reached more than 15 million people, but ministers are still wary that new mutations from overseas might unravel that progress.

 

“As this deadly virus evolves, so must our defences,” health minister Matt Hancock said in a statement. “The rules coming into force today will bolster the quarantine system and provide another layer of security against new variants at the border.”

 

The government has lined up 4,963 hotel rooms that must be booked in advance as part of a ‘quarantine package’. These hotels will have a “visible security presence”, the government said. A further 58,000 rooms are on standby.

 

Countries on the red list include South Africa and Brazil - both of which have seen variants of the virus that could reduce the efficacy of existing vaccines.

 

Ministers have been criticised by opponents for being too slow to close the door to new variants, having first announced plans for hotel quarantine in January.

 

Arrivals from countries not on the red list are required to quarantine at home for 10 days and take two COVID-19 tests.

 

The tougher quarantine restrictions also carry heavy fines and penalties with potential prison sentences of up to 10 years.

 

(Reporting by William James; editing by Emelia Sithole-Matarise)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2021-02-15

 

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Good news! It's high time the UK imposed stronger restrictions on incoming travellers. Better late than never...

Now all we need to do is erect a barrier in the Channel to frustrate the illegal migrants.

Moreover, it's a small boost for the hospitality industry providing the quarantine service.

16 hours ago, 7by7 said:

And rapidly retracted and acknowledged her mistake.

 

When has BoJo ever done that? 

Has UvdL apologise for her mistakes - NO! In fact she emphatically refuses to do so, or take any responsibility for them. Whereas Boris has stated in his public addresses that he accepts full responsibility for all decisions related to the Covid issue.

Instead she goes off on a rampage, trying to lay blame at others doorsteps.

I wonder how many more deaths there will be in Europe as a result of her mismanagement of the vaccine programme in the EU....???

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, it is easy to identify mistakes with hindsight. Having identified them, a decent person would apologise. Boris hasn't.

But as usual, when you're called out over your petty intransigence, you deftly revise your direction, in a vein attempt to justify your pedantic attitude, in this case denigration of Boris' character and performance, any which way you can find to get your dig in. 

I believe it will be a cold day in hell, when you hold up your hands and accept you were wrong or unjustified.

In a previous topic, you were quite happy to see the French escorting illegal migrants across the channel, but now it's all Boris' fault.

Every last one of the 115,00 deaths is Boris' doing, and you folks living in the UK bear absolutely no responsibility for any of it.... Rich!!

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

When will Boris apologise for those mistakes?

What mistakes?

You're all so clever with hindsight!!

It's the easiest thing in the world to criticise, after the event, from the safety of your armchair...

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The contract I am aware of says AstraZeneca will manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located within the EU and also stipulates that this includes plants based in the U.K., more specifically two out of four manufacturing sites mentioned in the contract are in the U.K. So maybe you should direct your anger at AstraZeneca instead. 

Are you purposely trying to be obtuse, or are you really that confused in your thinking. It is the EU that have the dispute with AZ over the supply schedule, not the UK...

Please make your mind up which way wish to argue the issue.

Edit - I apologise for duplicating a post response, albeit in a different vein.

1 hour ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I agree, if the EU thinks they violated the contract or violated the intent and ethics of it... then they should either sue them or suspend their license to distribute any pharmaceuticals (though that would maybe be overkill since it is a "UK-Swedish" company)...  So the most appropriate remedy would likely be suing them for any damages caused by the delay to the economy and people of the EU...  and let a court decide. 

I totally agree - so why didn't they???

54 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The contract I am aware of says AstraZeneca will manufacture the vaccine at manufacturing sites located within the EU and also stipulates that this includes plants based in the U.K., more specifically two out of four manufacturing sites mentioned in the contract are in the U.K. So maybe you should direct your anger at AstraZeneca instead. 

So what are your ramblings intended to prove? It's totally irrelevant where they choose to set up and manufacture the vaccine. 

The issue debated is the priority of delivery, and unfortunately the EU did not get their act together in time , so the UK's early orders took priority.

There's no anger from me, it's the EU who appear angry at being left behind in the vaccination process, hence their vindictive invoking of A16, trying to override the vaccine companies legitimate contractual obligations. I believe also a lot of EU citizens are not too happy with the state of affairs.

17 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Where does the contract stipulate that the EU shall be “at the back of the queue for the supplies”?  

It doesn't, but it does state that the UK, who ordered in advance, will be supplied first, hence UvdL's reaction.

Stop trying to twist the obvious, well, obvious to some people....

On 2/10/2021 at 12:34 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

The intention was to prevent companies from not honoring their contractual obligations, in order to ensure necessary vaccines needed for the European people.

This is quite simply false! It was a knee jerk reaction to discovering that she was at the back of the queue for the supplies, since she couldn't get her act together to organise the necessary and timely contracts, in an attempt to cover up her failings.

On 2/10/2021 at 12:34 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

If you think that food shipments into NI is a valid reason for invoking Article 16

It is, as stated in article 16....

On 2/10/2021 at 12:34 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

then the EU would have much more valid reason to do so.

How so, and on what grounds?

On 2/10/2021 at 12:51 PM, david555 said:

Of course all coming from brexiteers is always holy ...including Boris treathning tearing up A16...repeatatly.....

Justifiable reasons as laid down in the article 16, regarding unassailable obstacles to trade between UK's internal Nations. 

On 2/10/2021 at 12:51 PM, david555 said:

For me all can aswell become terminated as Boris managed  U.K shall continue to try get all as same as a member whitout being a paid member with no obligations ...keep dreaming ...????

Where did I state that? You keep harping on about it though - your favourite mantra. ????