Jim7777

21 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The bank will be able to confirm that. A statement done by them may show it.

It's super easy with Bangkok bank just get a credit advice print out from them every single month throughout the year after your monthly wire transfers post to your Bangkok bank account.  That's what I've started doing last month and I just got one for this month printed out yesterday in fact I just make sure that I get those print outs from Bangkok bank once a month the day after my monthly wire transfer posts to my Bangkok bank account.  

Trust me the credit advice print out verifies everything you need perfectly, your name, account numbers for both your bank in the states and your local Thai bank account, the amount of the wire transfer, and even the name of your bank in the states where your wire transfer originated.  That credit advice print out every month should be perfect for proving that your wire transfer originated from your home bank in the states or wherever abroad.  

Although my guess is that immigration will probably want to see that in some sort of formal letter from the bank but at least we know that information is on record at Bangkok bank and regardless I'm still gonna continue to have them printed out at Bangkok bank every month at least for my own personal records.  If immigration asks me for something else from my local bank in 2020 then I'll get whatever they want but for now I really think the credit advice print out every month looks perfect as far as verifying everything that immigration will require regarding monthly income verification.  I already got my current extension for 2019 till February 2020 so now I'm just trying to make sure that I'm prepared for January 2020 when I do it again.  Or maybe I'll do it early again next year in late December 2019 if they'll let me do early again next year.  

20 hours ago, Spidey said:

I still wonder how you prove that the 65k baht is from your home country. Foreign transfers aren't always clear in some bank books.

It's actually really really easy just ask for what's called a credit advice from your bank.  Every month when I make my wire transfer to Bangkok bank after it posts to the account I go have my pass book updated and I ask for the credit advice print out.  The credit advice print out very clearly shows that the funds came from my bank in the states and it even shows the name of my bank in the states, the amount I transferred in Thai baht, and my name and Bangkok bank account number including my account number for my bank in the states that it originated from as well as the name of my bank in the states that it originated from.  The credit advice is absolutely perfect because it verifies everything and it proves where your money is coming from.  

I figured this was where things were going so I started doing that last month and now I do it every month.  For me it worked out perfectly because I just renewed my extension for 2019 into 2020 a little early in December using my income affidavit for the last time and it was accepted with no problems.  If this is true and I suspect it probably is what I'm doing to prepare is exactly right or I might be doing to much but it's better to be prepared than wait till the last minute to find out that you should have been doing something.  I'm on a marriage visa but my pension is over $4,000 U.S. dollars a month so I just transfer half my monthly pay into Bangkok bank every month which is well over the minimum amount for either the retirement visa or the marriage visa.  Normally between 67 and 70,000 baht a month that I transfer into Bangkok bank, and I'm only required to transfer 40,000 baht a month plus I'm actually saving a lot of money in ATM fees by doing it this way so I'm actually glad this is happening.  It cost me about $20 dollars a month to make my monthly wire transfer but I make all that money back and more considering what I save in 0 ATM withdrawal fees depending on the exchange rate fluctuations of course.  So this actually works great for me in my situation at least.  

I have contacts at my local immigration office as well and I've heard exactly the same thing from them including what ubonjoe added about the minimum income requirement for marriage visas.  It really does look like this is where it's going so I'll be prepared I was very lucky on the timing of it.  

Basically it sounds like the law isn't going to change but it's going to be modified, and obviously it'll have to be since the income affidavits are being phased out.  It's unconfirmed but this is what I've been hearing from the embassy and my local immigration office as well and beginning in 2020 as the op said and this is exactly what I'm expecting will happen and have been expecting would happen.  

I remember I spoke with you a few months ago and I told you that the monthly income requirement wasn't gonna change, and there's no reason why it would.  I remember you were one of the people trying to say that it would change to the lump sum option only lol.  Only the method of verifying your monthly income is going to change obviously.  I think it's actually a good change because I've found that I'm actually saving money by using my Thai bank account because now I don't have to worry about how many times a month I use the ATM and the 220 baht fees.  The exchange rate for the U.S. Dollar used to better I remember from 10 years ago when we used to visit here all the time from our Tokyo days but it's still doing pretty good compared to a few other particular currencies and so is the Euro.  In December when I did my first wire transfer I actually gained a little bit, but this month I lost a few hundred baht after I made my monthly wire transfer but I'm transferring about $2,100 dollars a month and that fluctuates from month to month based on the currency exchange rate.  My monthly wire transfers average about half of my total monthly pension payments and the rest of it left over in my US Bank account I try to just save.  You still can't beat the cost of living here.  

But anyway the answer to your question is get a credit advice print out from your Thai bank every month and it totally verifies where your wire transfer originated from, the amount, account numbers of both your home bank account and your Thai bank account, your name as long as the transfer was made under your name, and even the name of your bank in the states or wherever your home bank is.  The credit advice verifies it all, just have one printed at the bank once a month every month after you make your monthly wire transfers.  My monthly wire transfers usually take 3 or 4 days to post to Bangkok bank so it's just one extra thing I have to do but no big deal.  My bank in the states just needs the swift code, account number, and the Bangkok bank branch number and address of the Bangkok bank branch when I make my monthly wire transfers every month it's a little bit of a hassle but it's not too much trouble.  

But it sounds like what I'm doing to be prepared for 2020 is probably exactly what I should be doing to prepare for the future of income verification.  Like I said I've already renewed my extension for 2019 through 2020 a little early so now I'm just making sure that I'm prepared for 2020 when I go do it again.  

Like I said it's super easy to get I have one printed out every month after I make my monthly wire transfers the day after it posts to my Bangkok bank account.  There's always a way to get something done don't look for reasons why it can't happen look for ways you can get things done.  I remember I told you this was coming I knew it.  

2 hours ago, uwe_rayong said:

In August 2018 did you apply for a reentry permit before you left Thailand?

 

That's exactly what I was thinking when I read the OP's post "did you get your re entry permit before flying back to Canada?" but I didn't want to post anything because I'm not 100% clear on what happened here.  Although it sounds like if there was a mistake whatever happened occurred at the airport and it doesn't sound like the fault of any specific immigration office but I'm not really sure maybe he meant they made a mistake trying to fix the problem I'm not sure exactly what he meant and I actually did take time to read it although I didn't take a lot of time analyzing the issue either.  I read it out of curiosity his title caught my attention.  I never leave the country without first making absolutely sure my re entry permit is taken care of but I very rarely travel outside of Thailand anymore and when I do it's never for more than a week or two.  I haven't left Thailand in two years so it's been a while for me.  If he left back in August obviously that was a big contributing factor because if you don't stay on top of your own paperwork here you can really end up in a bind.  Immigration can't read your mind you have to make your intentions very clear and be very careful and organized when preparing paperwork for immigration.  

21 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The stamp does not mean you can never enter the country again. It is only a denial of entry under section 12 for the immigration clause 3.

"3. Having entered into the Kingdom to take occupation as a laborer or to take employment by
using physical without skills training or to work in violation of the Ministerial Regulations."

You could try to enter again but be sure you have the equivalent of 20k baht in cash and other proof you have enough income without working here.

Perhaps the best would be try enter at the Pedang Besar border crossing to Thailand. You could take a train from KL to there.

Was he on a tourist multi entry visa?  That's what it sounds like because of showing proof of 20,000 baht only.  The op also said that he got an extension before he left so shouldn't he have got a re entry permit before leaving Thailand?  I don't know anything about his work situation if he was or wasn't working but didn't he need a re entry permit before leaving Thailand?  Because he said that he got an extension before leaving Thailand and on an extension you need a re entry permit before leaving the country.  I could be wrong but maybe that was the issue no re entry permit?  

21 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

The stamp does not mean you can never enter the country again. It is only a denial of entry under section 12 for the immigration clause 3.

"3. Having entered into the Kingdom to take occupation as a laborer or to take employment by
using physical without skills training or to work in violation of the Ministerial Regulations."

You could try to enter again but be sure you have the equivalent of 20k baht in cash and other proof you have enough income without working here.

Perhaps the best would be try enter at the Pedang Besar border crossing to Thailand. You could take a train from KL to there.

Was he on a tourist multi entry visa?  That's what it sounds like because of showing proof of 20,000 baht only.  The op also said that he got an extension before he left so shouldn't he have got a re entry permit before leaving Thailand?  I don't know anything about his work situation if he was or wasn't working but didn't he need a re entry permit before leaving Thailand?  Because he said that he got an extension before leaving Thailand and on an extension you need a re entry permit before leaving the country.  I could be wrong but maybe that was the issue no re entry permit?  

38 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The only "law" relating to immigration is the immigration act of 1979.. Everything else is done by ministerial regulations and police orders.

What you posted a link to is from the clause of the police order for extension of stay which is clause 2.18 (note the number at the end of the link).

For doing a change of visa status based upon on qualifying for an extension of stay based upon marriage it is this page on the immigration website. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_79

 

 

Well the information posted on the immigration website is from their laws obviously or they wouldn't post it on their website but I understand what you mean.  That's just semantics but I get what you're saying.  I knew the rule I posted didn't apply to him and that probably wasn't much help for the op.  So thanks for posting the correct immigration law off of the immigration website that applies to his specific situation because my post didn't really apply to his situation.  I was just thinking extensions specifically my bad.  

I'm not sure what the rules are for changing a tourist visa to a marriage visa here in Thailand at immigration but it sounds like that was your problem more than the income affidavit.  You probably should get a new marriage visa outside the country at a Thai Embassy.  

Although here is the law regarding extensions for marriage visa which confirms monthly income verification:

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_18

Although I don't think this law applies to changing a tourist visa to a marriage visa.  This law I copied applies to extensions of marriage visas and the law hasn't changed.  

22 minutes ago, defeedme said:

not even close to murder. Would you rather the six year old be dead?! I would much rather pool all the resources into finding the terrorists and murderers so people don't get killed! Sure if the opportunity is there to get someone who has a warrant out for rape, by all means - but to use this much effort, resources - it's a shame & waste letting the murderers go free.

WOW, just wow.  How have some of these people survived Darwinism?  

1 minute ago, defeedme said:

hopefully the mods are not into censorship since that's exactly what it would be - I haven't said anything that's not truth and fact or opinion. Some people just can't handle it. You're the one calling me names for no apparent reason. We will see. Take care.

Jeez people find something to do.  I'm out.  

3 hours ago, atyclb said:

my response was specifically to you believing because you have never had a problem therefore it does not happen.

 

i seen in your subsequent post you realize it does happen

 

 

fyi i spent a lot of time in colombia during the so called dangerous times and any interaction i had with police was up and up. i found the colombian average policeman intelligent, fair and reasonable. amazing for a country with such an infamous reputation. i would say the iq of the average colombian cop shines way above the thai counterpart. perhaps because that country has produced a nobel laureate and world renowned doctors has something to do with it.

FYI I'm done responding to idiots.  

Oh know not another American criminal in Thailand, thanks for making us all look bad idiots!  Just what we need 2 American criminals caught in one day.  Normally it's the Russians and the Nigerians who do this crap.  

Thailand I apologize that some of my fellow countrymen have come over here and broken your laws.  Please know that these are only a few and they DO NOT represent the rest of us.  Most of us are honest people.  

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Yeah I've decided time to start ignoring people on here lol. 

2 minutes ago, mydee said:

Are you really suggesting that raping a six year old isn't a serious crime? 

Exactly thank you!  I don't get some of the stupid things people say on here.  I gotta stop reading these posts people are just ridiculous on here with their ignorant comments.  I'm done reading them from now on I think.  It's a waste of time anyway. 

2 minutes ago, Darron said:

String of other charges and convictions since he was 19! Faking his death to escape the child sex abuse charges! Stealing the identity of an old friend of his! Why do all of that if you are not guilty?

Exactly thank you!!  It's good to see a few people on here with common sense. 

1 minute ago, mydee said:

No because he is alleged to be a  pedophile and this is a vile crime.  well done to all concerned. 

Exactly thank you!  I don't know about you but I'm through responding to idiots. 

1 minute ago, defeedme said:

so what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? how do we know this guy was not setup by his american girlfriend? seems like alot of effort to find and arrest someone who didn't even kill someone. Let's pool all our resources into finding the real criminals: terrorists and murderers, there's plenty out there!

How does your tin foil hat fit?  This is just one article that happened to get publicized because the crime was so heinous. 

7 hours ago, inThailand said:

Why such urgency and action for this one criminal? Because he was a falang?

You gotta be kidding he was hiding out here for a year apparently. 

2 hours ago, atyclb said:

my response was specifically to you believing because you have never had a problem therefore it does not happen.

 

i seen in your subsequent post you realize it does happen

 

 

fyi i spent a lot of time in colombia during the so called dangerous times and any interaction i had with police was up and up. i found the colombian average policeman intelligent, fair and reasonable. amazing for a country with such an infamous reputation. i would say the iq of the average colombian cop shines way above the thai counterpart. perhaps because that country has produced a nobel laureate and world renowned doctors has something to do with it.

Okay thanks for your input and congratulations. 

I'm glad they caught the SOB I hope he rots in prison for life.  What are people talking about regarding his face?  His face is blurred out in this picture. Are you kidding? 

7 hours ago, inThailand said:

Why such urgency and action for this one criminal? Because he was a falang?

Are you serious???  He is wanted on multiple very serious felony charges including raping a child.  The man is a pedophile and has apparently been hiding out here for almost A YEAR!  That's not very urgent they should have caught him a long time ago.  I hope they keep him here and stick his ass in a Thai prison.  "Why such urgency" you gotta be kidding!!!

11 hours ago, ericthai said:

Once you are here longer you will find out.. I dont think anyone said all the police are bad.  I have met some great police. I have had the police come out and do their job properly. However there are a good number that are looking to make some tea money.  I've been stopped for speeding I told them no way, they said they had a photo and showed me a picture of someone else car, they refused to admit that the car in the picture was not mine and insisted it was and after 20mins I finally gave in and gave him the 100B

If they want money they will make things up.  

There are good and bad cops all over the world guys that's just life.  

19 minutes ago, atyclb said:

 

and lack of critical thinking

Actually it's critical thinking, deductive reasoning, and just a lot of training and over 22 years of experience traveling abroad that has kept me out of trouble all these years AND ALIVE because trust me there are A LOT more dangerous countries in the world than Thailand.  

On 9/21/2017 at 12:48 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Jim7777, you've had an interesting input to this thread so please ignore the smart arsed and baiting responses, sometimes what's written comes across differently and perhaps a little more antagonistically than if it were brought up in face to face conversation where many of us would be far more respectful with each other. The anonymity of this forum clearly breeds a little contempt from which many seem to act. 

I honestly believe that many disagreements we see on these forums would not exist in a 'reality' setting i.e. sat in the pub having a chat where we are able to interact with far greater accuracy and can be far more efficient in conversation to make our point. 

 

 

Now, with all that said, back on topic : I do have a couple of questions for you.

1) Are you of the opinion that you would not be pulled over by the police at any time and the Police would never attempt to 'get a little tea money'? either because of your manner, demeanour, appearance, location etc? 

2)  Your post above intrigued me. What are the 'simple solutions' to the problems (getting stopped and potentially shaken down by the BiB) ?

(*Please don't give is the 'go home if you don't like it' answer - for obvious reasons thats not an option for many of us and it doesn't shine a bright light on the poster of this sentiment).

 

 

 

Just avoid trouble as much as possible and maintain situational awareness and know your area as best you can.  We have to remember that we are living in a foreign country and there are always going to be risks involved.  We can't control everything that goes on over here so if we're going to live here we have to be prepared to accept certain risks and be as careful as possible.  Nothing in life is certain.  Sure I could potentially become a victim but where I live probably not.  I'm paranoid by nature which actually helps me avoid trouble.  It's just little things like for example when you go into a restaurant pick the seat where you can best see everyone coming and going in a spot preferably where you have the best vantage point.  Typically I don't spend a lot of time hanging out in tourist areas and my Thai wife of 22 years is almost always with me and sometimes her family is with us as well if we're going on a trip which also helps especially on our trips down to Bangkok.  If you're with Thai people especially a family the cops usually don't mess with you.  I've seen the checkpoints and from what I've seen they normally only flag people down who are speeding.  I have no doubt that they single out foreigners but I've never seen it.  And yes your demeanour and appearance does have a little to do with it.  It's hard to explain I've just had years of experience all over the world in a lot of exotic countries and specialized training that the regular military doesn't get.  Also the dumb foreigner act works as well sometimes depending on the situation.  There are a lot of scenarios that one could find themselves in.  The best thing to do is be a good planner.  

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

And considering most child abusers here are actually Thai, goodness knows what they think of each other, eh...

There are sick people like that all over the world.  Afghanistan was the worst I've ever seen anywhere in the world, over there molesting a child is literally part of their culture.  I knew a guy from Special Forces who almost got kicked out of the Army for beating the hell out of an Afghan Police Chief who was molesting a little boy and his mother reported it to the team.  

Then the Afghan police chief beat the boy's mother when he found out that she reported it.  Then the Special Forces Team Sergeant went and saw him again.  When the Team Sergeant confronted the Afghan police chief he laughed about it and the Special Forces Team Sergeant KICKED HIS ASS!  They tried to kick him out of the Army but luckily his story made the national news which saved his career because he was just standing up for a helpless child and his mother.  That story really angered me.  Not all Afghan men molest children but it goes on over there a lot to much in fact.  

7 minutes ago, ThaidaGwaii said:

He is a suspect, not a convicted criminal.  Does this makes a difference in Thailand???

Well he faked his own death and fled the country that sounds pretty incriminating to me then again I agree you can't believe everything you read.  I guess it's possible he could be innocent but I HIGHLY DOUBT IT.  Regardless convicted or not he's still a fugitive wanted for major felonies so they have to find him.