Jim7777

Trust me REPORT IT!  The Embassy and HR don’t necessarily have to inform him that you reported him.  They can keep it to themselves at your request to prevent aggravating the situation.  If you don’t tell anyone than you are vulnerable no one can help you if you don’t tell anyone.  So ignore all the people who are telling you not to report it.  Of course you should report it so there’s at least a record of it.  

If you don’t want him to know that you reported him just make that clear to the Embassy and your HR, but personally I think he should know that he’s been reported as a deterrent from trying anything stupid unless he’s a total nut case.  But you know this guy I don’t so do what you think is best but I highly recommend at least reporting him and making it known.  It’s your call I’m just giving you friendly advice.  

5 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

If he tells someone like HR or the police and word gets out back to him, it is not good and escalates the hatred. It will not do any good and will not protect him one iota little bit if hatred is there and then to spark it at what he will see as a personal attack. If the guy was smart he would go file a report for defamation and make some money on the OP or put him in jail. If unstable, no stopping him from attack no matter how he protects and watches his back. If hires some thugs, motorcycle pillion riders are usually pretty darn successful, but stupid as they will be caught.

 

Wants protection, hire security.

-If he gets beat up he can tell the story of who then.

-If he gets whacked or killed then the police will be going to his place of employment already and the word will get out. All his associates know the story already. Nothing new here.

 

I gather on speculation that the OP has been out in a work group or solo with him and his new squeeze and wife he left before, so there is probably more history than we are all led to believe. 

 

I would bet there have probably been verbal threats or un friendly exchanges of obscenities of I will kick ur butt or somethings like that.

 

Daily routine is, I will eventually leave my home, and will eventually leave work to go home. Can't change that and all that is just a wait and get if in truly the guy is that unstable and lacking the brains to get on with his life. To be a real criminal to get away with things takes a very very smart almost brilliant person now (here), and his nemesis should know that being in Thailand seeing how the police operate always now catching their guy. CC tv everywhere.

Okay thanks for your expert advice man.  LMAO ????.  I do agree that this is a kinder and gentler version of Thailand than it used to be.  The advice I gave him was based on a career of expertise in security and staying alive in the most dangerous places on earth, but I just told him the very basics in safety and security because I don’t know him and we’re talking online.  If I knew him in person I could really help him.  

There are many ways to vary your daily routine starting with WHEN you actually leave the house and ending with WHEN you actually leave work to come home as well as several other variables such as routes etc.  This is something that I actually do have vast experience with.  

I’m sorry I didn’t get a chance to read your whole post because I’m out right now but I did briefly skim through it so hopefully my reply is at least somewhat close to what it should be.    

5 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

If he tells someone like HR or the police and word gets out back to him, it is not good and escalates the hatred. It will not do any good and will not protect him one iota little bit if hatred is there and then to spark it at what he will see as a personal attack. If the guy was smart he would go file a report for defamation and make some money on the OP or put him in jail. If unstable, no stopping him from attack no matter how he protects and watches his back. If hires some thugs, motorcycle pillion riders are usually pretty darn successful, but stupid as they will be caught.

 

Wants protection, hire security.

-If he gets beat up he can tell the story of who then.

-If he gets whacked or killed then the police will be going to his place of employment already and the word will get out. All his associates know the story already. Nothing new here.

 

I gather on speculation that the OP has been out in a work group or solo with him and his new squeeze and wife he left before, so there is probably more history than we are all led to believe. 

 

I would bet there have probably been verbal threats or un friendly exchanges of obscenities of I will kick ur butt or somethings like that.

 

Daily routine is, I will eventually leave my home, and will eventually leave work to go home. Can't change that and all that is just a wait and get if in truly the guy is that unstable and lacking the brains to get on with his life. To be a real criminal to get away with things takes a very very smart almost brilliant person now (here), and his nemesis should know that being in Thailand seeing how the police operate always now catching their guy. CC tv everywhere.

Okay thanks for your expert advice man.  LMAO ????.  I do agree that this is a kinder and gentler version of Thailand than it used to be.  The advice I gave him was based on a career of expertise in security and staying alive in the most dangerous places on earth, but I just told him the very basics in safety and security because I don’t know him and we’re talking online.  If I knew him in person I could really help him.  

There are many ways to vary your daily routine starting with WHEN you actually leave the house and ending with WHEN you actually leave work to come home as well as several other variables such as routes etc.  This is something that I actually do have vast experience with.  

I’m sorry I didn’t get a chance to read your whole post because I’m out right now but I did briefly skim through it so hopefully my reply is at least somewhat close to what it should be.    

Who’s that dude running for Prime Minister who wants to legalize weed for everyone for recreational use?  I really want to know because I’m going to ask my wife to vote for that dude.  

2 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

How does murdering nearly 50 innocent people constitute a retaliatory attack. You people are quick to condemn all Muslims yet bend over backwards to excuse a Christian terrorist.

Too many hypocrites and biggots in this world , a plague on all their houses.

 

Hate is hate no matter who the perpetrator is Muslim, Christian, Nazis I don’t care they’re all the same they’re terrorists.  I don’t care about what anyone’s religion is race, personal beliefs, sexual orientation, or whatever if you target people based on who they are it’s based on personal hatred.  

I don’t care what their religion was Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, Jehovah’s Witness, Wika, Jedi Knight, or even Satanists IT WAS AN ACT OF HATRED PERIOD...  It was an act of evil.  I don’t care about anyone’s race, religion, or sexual orientation hate is hate period.   

On a lighter note because you always have to try and have a sense of humor or the world will drive you crazy I’m not hugging a stranger because I don’t want anyone to think I’m gay.  

But seriously there’s nothing funny about what happened to those people it was indeed an act of evil hatred.  

Hate had everything to do with it this was an act of evil hatred and I personally believe the devils work on earth through men’s hatred.  

On 3/16/2019 at 2:37 PM, ubonjoe said:

Perhaps you could do the combination of annual income and money in a Thai bank to reach a total of 800k baht would be possible.

I don’t know if this helps but the Italian Embassy I believe still gives Income Affidavits but I definitely would NOT encourage lying on the Affidavit.  Or maybe leave the country and get a new visa at a Thai Embassy.  I’m just spit baling Ubonjoe is the subject matter expert on these things not me.  I’m just throwing out some hypotheticals.  Good luck I hope it works out for you.  

Anyway just stay safe and try to hang out with friends until he’s gone and always have witnesses when he’s around you at work until he’s gone.  Remember to report it!  Good luck and be careful.  

12 minutes ago, bowerboy said:

Thank you for this. Thanks for taking the time. Fortunately one thing I am not worried about is physical attack from the guy himself (apart from the fact that he could use that to set me up and prosecute for assault or whatever). Also I could very well imagine him going down hard from a shot and hitting his head on concrete and then this situation would of well and truly gone pear shaped.

Well like I said avoid a confrontation at all costs and don’t fight unless you’re backed into a corner.  I don’t even like giving self defense advice online because I don’t know anything about you.  But if you are forced to defend yourself as in backed into a corner by all means fight back if absolutely necessary but if you do be extremely aggressive, you have to get violent when fighting for your life.  

If he attacks you first it’s self defense if you have no other options.  But if he comes after you if you can just run and get help and hang out in well lit public places for a while.  Of course try to avoid a fight by any means possible but if you’re stuck in a corner don’t just take a beating or worse you do have the right to defend yourself if absolutely necessary but try to avoid a fight anyway you can I don’t know anything about you so I’m not gonna try and write any self defense advice online or any mixed martial arts techniques online because that would just be stupid I know nothing about you.  I can’t teach self defense techniques online obviously.  

And don’t stand on any balconies for a while foreigners in Thailand for some reason have a bad reputation when it comes to balconies.  Just try to avoid the guy till he’s gone and the girl friend.  

Oh and don’t meet with him alone in your office ever in case he “Fight Clubs” himself lol.  Actually seriously don’t be alone with him at work for real while he’s still there always have a witness when he’s around you at work.  Try to hang out with friends as much as possible until he’s gone and MOST DEFINITELY REPORT IT to your company and the Embassy.  Just cover your ass and have a long paper trail and make sure the right people are aware of it and informed.  If he went to your bosses first I doubt he would do anything but you should still be careful because you seem genuinely concerned for your safety.  If you don’t report it how’s anyone going to help you?  Think about it that way.  Sometimes disgruntled employees do go crazy so just follow my above advice and be careful.  

Just try to avoid him until he’s gone and for God’s sake report it.  If he knows other people are aware that might piss him off more but it also serves as a deterrent because he knows if he tries or does anything he’ll be caught immediately because people would be aware of your situation and him.  So report it talk to your company and the Embassy and make sure it’s also in writing.  Stay safe and good luck.  

“Should you be afraid for your life?”  No one here really knows that but trust me follow my advice in my above post (2 posts above this one) and you should be okay.  Definitely report it if you even think for a second that he’s a risk to your well being.  Report it to your company and report it to the Embassy by all means.  Sure it’ll piss him off but it should also deter him from trying anything stupid.  Good luck to you and be safe.  

Just like the saying goes “if you see something say something”.

6 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

When see him don't walk near him but acknowledge him with a nod if he looks at you. Don't look smug or look like your laughing, just a normal face.

 

He tried to get you fired so this tells something of his character. If you match that with a stone for stone by telling HR or police or etc, then some more serious trouble will probably come your way as it is looking like an attack on him and he is challenged. Psychically if you are not worried about him then you should be fine. Stay calm and lay a bit quiet low and don't talk around the office or work environment so much as others he will see into their faces and blame you. 

 

His contract is hopefully almost up and then he is gone. You are not the one firing him. Or are you? Did you act like his boss or senior because you are full time? If so turn that down a bit to bring it to level. 

 

If he does not get a good recommendation or cannot use the place as a recommendation then he will be P -Off.

 

England has many areas and each area has a sort of different character. I have know some from areas that will scrap and some from other areas that have a big mouth but no bite.

 

Just write him off as superficial and let him figure out his life. If he confronts or barks at you with blame, just say back off, I had nothing to do with you or your temporary contract and work related performance of being let go. This is from the superiors. 

 

 

“When see him don't walk near him but acknowledge him with a nod if he looks at you. Don't look smug or look like your laughing, just a normal face.”  That’s good advice but if he’s in fear for his life he really should at least tell someone such as his HR and the Embassy because we don’t know this person like the OP does.  Sure it’ll probably piss him off even more you’re right about that but at least if the proper officials are aware he is still somewhat protected because the guy would probably be less inclined to try anything stupid if he knows that people are aware that the OP is afraid of him if this guy has any brains at all.  Because obviously if he knows people are aware then he knows that he’d be the number one suspect if he did do anything to the OP, unless he’s totally unhinged and doesn’t care what happens.  He’d have to be suicidal to do anything to the OP in this country knowing that he’d get caught immediately.  

So yeah I think the OP should report it most definitely report it.  TRUST ME IF YOU REALLY DO FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE REPORT IT IMMEDIATELY!  Once his work permit is done theoretically he should have to leave Thailand and then it should be over depending on the situation.  

Try to avoid him and the girl but if you do see them the first paragraph is good advice.  

If you see him in public and if he attacks you try to run and get help.  I don’t really want to give you very much self defense advice unless I met you in person and knew you.  But if he backs you into a corner all I can really say is be prepared to defend yourself EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVELY and I don’t mean punch him in the face I mean punch him in the esophagus or the trachea throat punch him, or pick up something heavy that can be used as a weapon you gotta get very aggressive and violent if you are fighting for your life and don’t give him a single second.  But I don’t know you or your personality or how big you are so it’s very difficult for me to give you self defense advice online.  I’m not really comfortable with giving you self defense advice online because I’ve never seen you before in my life and I don’t know you or your personality type.  If you’re a type A personality you might do okay if it came down to that at least you would be better off anyway.  But hopefully it never comes down to violence I sincerely hope not.  I hope it ends peacefully and civilized.  

If you see him in public try to avoid a fight at all costs only fight if ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY if you have no other option.  Otherwise do what it says in the first paragraph and if he comes at you just run and get help if possible.  But avoid them at all costs.  And avoid any confrontation if at all possible.  

Again until he’s gone avoid hanging out in dark unpopulated areas especially at night which you ought to do anyway just for common basic safety practice.  When out stay in well lit heavily populated areas in the city, and if possible when you’re out try to use the “buddy system” in other words when you’re out if you can try and have a friend hang out with you.  Always stay alert don’t make yourself look like an easy target look like a determined hard target by just simply paying attention and paying attention to your surroundings just basic situational awareness when you are out.  You don’t have to constantly be looking over your shoulder but it couldn’t hurt to have a friend watching your six if possible.  Regardless of if you are walking around alone or with a friend stay alert at all times and pay attention to what is going on around you.  

And DO NOT walk around looking down at the ground like I see so many foreigners doing all the time.  Keep your head up and always maintain situational awareness.  And don’t let anyone scare you to the point where you are afraid to leave the house.  Although when you do leave the house try walking and or driving alternate routes every time and try to be as unpredictable as possible, what I mean by that (unpredictable) is do not set a reoccurring pattern every day.  From day to day change your routine and schedule as much as possible and keep them guessing.  Basically don’t be walking the same route to work every day or go to the same coffee shop every morning just for example.  Try to vary your daily routine every day as much as possible.  Or as much as you can I understand you have a job.  

I don’t know this dude like you do but I think you’ll be okay he probably is just all talk most of them are but every once in a while you might encounter a real dangerous nut case, I’m not saying he is but I don’t know him like you do so just be careful, follow my advice, be sure and REPORT IT, and whenever possible try and travel with a friend if you can.  You’ll be okay don’t stress out about it too much that just makes it worse.  You’ll be fine try not to worry to much but do be careful.  

3 hours ago, tlandtday said:

He also refused to drive on the roads in Thailand.

Always avoid the choke points on the roads ????

4 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Wild Bill Hickok died the night he could not sit at the table with his back against the wall, as was his practice

At least sit where you can see people coming and going in and out the front door and as close to the exit as possible, even I still do that, it’s just a basic safety thing.  And I actually do prefer to sit with my back towards the wall whenever possible but I always prefer the seat facing the entrance.  

Just know the immigration rules for your specific type of visa or extension, follow those rules, and you shouldn’t end up in that situation in the first place.  Just do the right thing or rather the legal thing.  

22 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

does your company have a HR department? I would send a email to them saying you have been threatened by a employee.

Yes that’s probably the way to go.  He’s a disgruntled employee and if you make it known that you are afraid of them they would have to be crazy to try and do anything to you in this country.  Definitely produce as much of a paper trail on the situation as possible. 

But until he’s gone just be careful and definitely don’t stand on any balconies for a while.  For some reason balconies and foreigners don’t have a very good record here in Thailand.  

If you are at a restaurant always pick the table and the seat where you have preferably a full 360 degree view of the room and at least the spot where you can see everyone coming in and out of the main point of entry and exit the front doors and sit close to the aisle of the table.  Don’t hang out in dark unpopulated areas especially at night stay in well lit heavily populated areas when traveling on foot.  And remember there are surveillance cameras just about everywhere in every major city.  

Speaking of surveillance cameras you can purchase really good ones for inside and outside your home at most malls here that records everything 24/7 to a memory card in your computer and on your smartphone.  I have a few of them outside my house the weather proof kind that covers outside my front gate on the road outside my yard and a few more outside cameras that cover my entire outside yard with no blind spots, and then another camera inside my house that covers the front door and all the windows down stairs.  So that covers all the points of entry and exit of my entire house and outside my house not including the cameras I have hidden.  I take security very seriously especially after one incident a few years ago in my neighborhood.  

I’m assuming that your company is probably based somewhere in Bangkok I live way up north but if you are looking for a good body guard I know a few guys in Bangkok that I used to work with when I was in the military.  I’m retired Special Forces and so are the guys I know.  They’re a bit expensive but if you are interested send me a private message and I’ll have them contact you via phone or email.  I’m not sure if they’re available but I could ask them for you if you seriously need help that badly.  

In the meantime avoid the guy and the girl, be careful, and make your company and especially your Embassy VERY aware of your concerns and the situation in writing and on the phone.  You can call the United States Embassy for emergencies and this should qualify and you should also email the Embassy and visit them in person.  Make sure there’s a good paper trail of the situation and your concerns and be sure and inform your HR Office in person and in writing about the situation and make sure you tell them all that you are in fear for your life.  Maybe contact his Embassy as well I believe you said that he’s from the UK.  And definitely remain cautious until he’s been gone for a while.  

I think you’ll be okay especially if you just contact your company and explain the situation to them and let them know your fears as well as the Embassy.  Remember to have people who know you informed of the situation and a paper trail and inform the Embassy and the local police if necessary.  

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This really does show how brainless these people running things really are. Preventing an entire country from buying alcohol whilst the entire country is drinking (pre-bought) alcohol is just a complete nonsense from power hungry idiots who couldn't rub two brain cells together.

I was thinking that this can’t possibly make most of the voters happy unless it’s a rigged election which is unfortunately quite possible it’s as if he’s trying everything he can to not get elected.  

Although I don’t know this election at least appears to be the real deal because there are several candidates spending a lot of money on campaigning.  If it’s a fake election there would have to be way too many people involved to keep it a secret permanently.  I used to deal with Classified Special Access Programs in my old job and when dealing with Special Access Programs the fewer people that know about it and are involved in it the less of a chance we had of having leaks.  But I don’t know everything about their election system here so I don’t know.  I just hope it’s the real deal.  

WOW! ARE YOU <deleted>(k!ng KIDDING ME?  I remember reading about this guy two months ago he’s STILL HERE IN THAILAND???  REALLY???  If something like this was going on in the United States where I last lived the cops would have kicked in the door on the first day probably within the first hour and they would have beaten the holy sh;t out of him and then arrested him for resisting arrest lol.  And I’m not exaggerating either I’ve seen cops in the States get away with some really bad things.  And foreigners here complain about police checkpoints lol ???? 

I actually saved a lady a while back I pulled her out of the way of a moving truck at the last second.  She would’ve been killed for sure but instead I got clipped by the side of the same truck after I pulled her out of the way and I ended up with a broken ankle and a sprained wrist.  That was in December last year.  I still have problems with that same hand luckily it’s my left hand and I’m right handed.  I think there’s a popped blood vessel in my left hand and it still hurts sometimes just doing little things like picking up my phone and I do a little bit of weight lifting sometimes and when I do that my hand really hurts bad.  I don’t exercise as much as I used to because I’m disabled and I have a seriously bad back but I do what I can.  

I remember the lady I rescued just kept saying Kap Koon Ca (thank you) over and over again until the ambulance arrived.  She even offered to take care of as much of my medical bills as she could afford but I said “don’t worry I have insurance I’ll be ok”.  Damn my story should have made the news because I could have been killed.  That’s a true story to.  I never told anyone about that except for my wife who saw it happen and her family.  Honestly even if my story had made the news I probably would not have spoken to the media because it’s just never a good idea.  

7 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

Yes that was the first thing that made me skeptical.  So much bad information out there.

Dude I’ve been taking advice from Ubonjoe for almost 5 years now and he’s right 99.9% of the time.  From my experience if you ask Ubonjoe anything about visas, extensions, or anything immigration related including even some other non-immigration related issues and if he gives you advice you can take it to the bank because it is almost certainly the right answers he’s giving you.  He has never steered me wrong.  

The only time I’ve ever got an incorrect answer from him was a few years ago when I asked him if Immigration was open on a particular Thai holiday (not an important holiday) and he said that immigration would be closed but it was actually open.  Other than that one time Ubonjoe has always advised me correctly and I have been asking Ubonjoe questions for almost 5 years now and I’ve asked him A HELL OF A LOT OF QUESTIONS and he has always been right about everything I’ve ever asked him except for one little tiny thing one day.  

I’ve probably leaned on Ubonjoe more than anybody on this website for advice because when I first retired here on my marriage visa all I knew were just the basic Thai Visa Laws and not much more than that.  Pretty much everything I’ve learned about immigration matters in the last 5 years I’ve learned from Ubonjoe.  I owe him I feel like I do anyway for all of his free advice that’s literally worth money.  There are visa agencies that charge A LOT OF MONEY for the advice that Ubonjoe gives for free and it’s good advice to, it’s almost always legitimate information that you can take to the bank.....

Don’t be giving Ubonjoe a hard time he’s a good guy.  

23 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I think you are correct but I suggest you contact them about it. If the answer is no then get it in writing from them. There have already been reports of immigration refusing the money going into the bank for a person whose embassy still issued them.

That’s another one of many reasons why I’m now glad that our Embassy stopped issuing them.  I was very worried about it in the beginning but now that I understand the new monthly income verification rules for our annual extensions now I’m actually happy about it.  I actually like the new rules but not everyone else does it just depends on your personal situation.  I’m sure next year after the transition period things will seem a lot easier for most people.  

On 3/14/2019 at 11:47 AM, ubonjoe said:

The new rules for proof of income went into effect in December when an amendment was issued. It allows proof of 65k baht going into your account or proof of income from your embassy it you are from a country that still issue them.

March 1st was for the 800k baht in the bank and or combination of income and money in the bank.

The head of immigration sent out a memorandum instructing offices to be lenient and flexible for the proof of income this year.

They should accept 6 months of the 65k baht being transferred into your account when you apply for your extension. 

 

I thought I remembered reading that in the new immigration rules for the first year during the transition period away from the income affidavits.  Although that doesn’t apply to me because I do my next extension in around January 2020 and by then I’ll have a full 12 months of monthly wire transfers into my Thai bank account.  The timing worked out perfectly for me I was just lucky.

Even if Immigration did give the OP a hard time about not having the full 12 months of monthly wire transfers that doesn’t mean you’re “done in Thailand” worst case scenario you would just leave the country, go to a Thai Embassy abroad, get a NEW VISA, and then just simply return to Thailand in a few days with your new visa. But you shouldn’t even have to do that that’s just worst case scenario.  

Ubonjoe is almost always right about these things and I’m sure you’ll have no problems getting your extension.  Trust me Joe has given me lots of advice over the years and he has been right 99.9% of the time.  

Immigration isn’t “moving the goal post” or changing anything it’s still 40K Baht a month minimum monthly income requirement for marriage visa extensions and it’s still 65K Baht a month minimum monthly income requirement for retirement visa extensions it has been the same for years.  The only difference now is that now you actually have to prove it for real.  

They are not changing the requirements but they are currently going through a transition period because the United States, British, Australia, and I believe Denmark as well has stopped providing income affidavits and right now immigration is right in the middle of transitioning from income affidavits to the new monthly income verification requirements.  The income affidavits are valid for six months after the date of completion and a lot of people got their last income affidavits provided in December 2018 by their embassies.  So the transition period is slowly coming to an end very soon and not everyone has had a Thai bank account for 12 full months yet, but immigration is supposed to be working with people on that for the first year.  I was very lucky with the timing of mine because when I do my next extension in January or February 2020 by then I’ll have the full 12 months of monthly wire transfers to show from my bank in the States from my monthly pension payments.  If I were in your shoes I might MIGHT have done the same thing depending on when your extension is due especially if it’s due after June and before December or November.  But probably not because the monthly income option is so much easier especially with the exchange rates and for the first year if I’m not mistaken I believe you don’t have to show the full 12 months of monthly wire transfers during the first year because of the transition period but I forgot what the police orders said about that exactly because that doesn’t apply to my situation.  

The monthly income option is so much easier.