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31 minutes ago, meatboy said:
welcome NIENKE its been quite awhile since i have seen you posting,so from meatboy and sam its great to know your still around.
Yes, still around and active in the doggy world. Thank you. :)
I hope all is fine with you and Sam. :)
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Super! Thank you for that additional information, Khun Flare.
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The crematorium in Pratu HaiYa cremates pets: https://goo.gl/maps/uE65WcGJWkz
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A terrific new find for those in the Bangkok or even Pattaya area.
Eastern Bangkok Veterinary Surgical Center AKA Parichart Suminthawong Animal Hospital
It is a very well equipped facility staffed by vets on the faculty of Kasetsart and Mahodol Vet Hospitals/Faculties
No website but they are on Facebook
My local vet referred me there as my dog had an oral tumor. It was much more convenient/fast than going to Kasetsart, vastly less expensive than Thonglor and did an excellent job.
They are in the Minburi/Lat Krabang area (airport vicinity) on Soi Kom Klao 11. Just a short distance into the Soi and before you enter the Mu Ban.
I was able to arrange through my local Vet to get the pre-op blood work done locally and bring it with me so that we were able to arrange for immediate surgery with just one trip, would suggest anyone else coming from afar do likewise. Most local vets will know who they are as it is well known among Vets in Thailand.
This is the staff:
My dog was treated by Dr. Wannasit ("Tony") who rrained in the UK and speaks English very fluently.
I want to contact this clinic but unfortunately you omitted to give a number and I can't find it in the Facebook search. Greatly appreciate anyone helping out with contact info for the clinic.
Tel.: 02-5576608-9, 080-4993265
Line ID: parichartsah
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So far I've been told, you need an import permit. Better double check this, by having your wife phone to the AQS at Suvarnabhumi airport:
http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/images/stories/document/form-movement/form-r1-1.pdf
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You need a health certificate and export permit.
You can get this in Chiang Mai IF you travel Korean air: CNX-seoul-seatle(??? or somewhere US)
If you via BKK, you need to get these certificates at the AQS at Suvarnabhumi airport.
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LuckyDogs-TH moved a year ago to a 10 rai plot of garden with lots of large and medium sized trees and at least 25 different birds species, and I'm still adding 'new' ones to the list.
Lots of space to run and play for the dogs pretty much the whole day.
We have now 5 dog runs and 7 play-camps. The play-camps are attached to 10 dog kennels.
Next to the runs and kennels with play-camps, there is the option of in-house boarding, provided that the dog is compatible with me, my staff and my dogs.
And we have cat-boarding as well.4 of the 5 dog runs
6 of the 7 play-camps-
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our vet has just phoned and i cannot control my emotions[OF JOY] his blood cell count has gone up from 20,000 to
40,000 and no worms detected. he wants him to have one more course of meds.
today and wed.are milestones for my wife and me so let the celabrations begin.
A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL THE SUPORT YOU GAVE US.
MR.& MRS MEAT AND NOT FORGETTING SAM.
Great news. Glad your dog is on his way to recovery.
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That's great And while you are thanking god for his recovery, please pray for him to help my wife who had a haemorrhagic stroke yesterday morning and after brain surgery is fighting for her life in a Lopburi hospital!
Oh my goodness, Wayned. That's shocking news.
Lots and lots of prayers and healing thoughts send to your wife and to you.
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In and around Bangkok.
https://www.facebook.com/thairidgebackdog.huahinfarmhttps://www.facebook.com/classic.thairidgeback?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/tumdoggyworld?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004992610938&fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/wip.tkk?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/boy.roddamrongrith?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
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I'm very sorry to hear/read this, Meatboy.
From what I've read the occurrence of H. Canis in Thailand isn't high. And if caught in the early stages, chances on recovery are there. But, you have to be on top of it. And it seems you are.
Here's some reading material on this subject:http://www.vivapets.com/article/tiks_as_carriers_of_diseases/6
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00580-006-0606-6
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1196/annals.1373.071/abstract
http://tru.uni-sz.bg/tsj/Vol.6,%20N2,%202008/A.ivanov_et_al1.pdf
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Anyone know how to interpret his liver function results? I picked up the printout from the vet today and this is what it reads for his liver.
SGPT (ALT) 73 (5-50:10-60) unit
There is an arrow pointing up alongside the 73 indicating that the reading is high.
From the research I've done it appears that 15-66 is a normal result, so 73 is higher than normal, but is it that bad?
73 is slightly elevated. Not serious.
But if your vet wants to go ahead with this result, you better discuss with him.
Maybe he prefers to play is completely safe, maybe he says this happens also in healthy dogs. Those blood results can fluctuate, but how much fluctuation is allowed I do not know exactly.
I think you best trust your vet's judgement on this.
edit/added: there are different tests with different normal range results. So, be careful when looking up stuff.
I suspect 5-50 is for males and 10-60 is for females, but don't pin me on that. Again, best to ask your vet.
Thanks, but I'm a little concerned that this vet is just finding reasons to sell me more and more stuff. He suggested milk thistle for his liver, which I bought, and actually take myself in capsule form, and then wanted me to buy a blood "tonic" which I refused. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid, and they have the dog's best interest at heart. I certainly hope so. It's not like he's a sickly 9 month old dog, he eats and sleeps well and has plenty of energy.
It's possible that the vet is over-doing it a tad.
Milk-thistle is pretty good .... in humans. I suppose in dogs as well, although I have not read research reports about that. Only anecdotal recommendations. I would follow (as you do already) your vet's advise.
Not sure why the blood-tonic, as you don't say what in it and for what your vet is giving it. Only for the liver or also to boost RBC and platelets?
Are these in the low range?
Did you ask your vet what may cause the elevation of the liver. Next to the blood test, has the vet done a SNAP-test? And what kind of food do you give to your dog; what kind of food brand?
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May be you should contact Thonglor and the Uni and advise them of mask existence.
I have had 10 dogs and 20 cats desexed in Thailand and at no time, any Vet including Thonglor who charge 7000 baht for the procedure did the blood test or any of the crap you seem to think is legitimate making this Vet to know his stuff
A simple google search shows you the existence of these masks: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dogs+gas+anesthesia+mask&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YUPpVLKUNc6WuASl_YHYBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Another google search tells you that even Soi Dog Foundation in Phuket and Care for Dogs in Chiang Mai have gas anesthesia machines. assume these machine come with masks.
And on Thonglor's facebook page: a picture of a cat at ThongLor Animal Hospital in Bangkok with a, what looks to me, mask on his/her face:
On their website the gas anesthesia is mentioned: http://www.thonglorpet.com/inner_clinic-detail.php?id=3
And for the preparation before surgery, also on the ThongLor website (translated by google, but still readable):
Preparing for Surgery and Anesthesia.Since there may be many factors come into effect. From health, age, illness, or even the risk of losing doping. So to keep pets safe from having to undergo surgery under general anesthesia as possible. It has to be better prepared as follows.1. veterinary health checks are offered.- Study- To direct the animals.- Laboratory tests (blood tests, urine).- Make special cases, such as EKG, ultrasound, X-ray, etc.2. Follow the steps as veterinary advice refrain water at least 12 hours.Prevent vomiting Or retching food out, which could cause choking into the lungs.And i am telling you for the third time, even with major surgery's like my dogs had, mask was never offered, including oxygen when it was badly needed.
Would seeing the bills make you believe? 1 night stay at Thonglor in ER 9800 baht, surely if they had a mask they would have put it on, do not you think?
It's not about what kind of treatment your dogs have or have not had.
It's about you (initially saying; in this post you are saying it a tad different) that the masks do not exist. See your post #14:
"...Next time ask Vet to show you the mask, i am certain it does not exist, with every dog having different size and shape nose, its impossible and have not been invented yet . .. "
You are incorrect there.
And you saying (post #3):
"giddyup,Vet is taking the piss.
NO blood tests needed or 12 hour fasting ... "
That is dangerous advise and mis-information, which can be potentially dangerous for the patient.
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Anyone know how to interpret his liver function results? I picked up the printout from the vet today and this is what it reads for his liver.
SGPT (ALT) 73 (5-50:10-60) unit
There is an arrow pointing up alongside the 73 indicating that the reading is high.
From the research I've done it appears that 15-66 is a normal result, so 73 is higher than normal, but is it that bad?
73 is slightly elevated. Not serious. (I think, not completely sure actually)
But if your vet wants to go ahead with this result, you better discuss with him.
Maybe he prefers to play is completely safe, maybe he says this happens also in healthy dogs. Those blood results can fluctuate, but how much fluctuation is allowed I do not know exactly.
I think you best trust your vet's judgement on this.
edit/added: there are different tests with different normal range results. So, be careful when looking up stuff.
I suspect 5-50 is for males and 10-60 is for females, but don't pin me on that. Again, best to ask your vet.
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May be you should contact Thonglor and the Uni and advise them of mask existence.
I have had 10 dogs and 20 cats desexed in Thailand and at no time, any Vet including Thonglor who charge 7000 baht for the procedure did the blood test or any of the crap you seem to think is legitimate making this Vet to know his stuff
A simple google search shows you the existence of these masks: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dogs+gas+anesthesia+mask&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YUPpVLKUNc6WuASl_YHYBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Another google search tells you that even Soi Dog Foundation in Phuket and Care for Dogs in Chiang Mai have gas anesthesia machines. assume these machine come with masks.
And on Thonglor's facebook page: a picture of a cat at ThongLor Animal Hospital in Bangkok with a, what looks to me, mask on his/her face:
On their website the gas anesthesia is mentioned: http://www.thonglorpet.com/inner_clinic-detail.php?id=3
And for the preparation before surgery, also on the ThongLor website (translated by google, but still readable):
Preparing for Surgery and Anesthesia.Since there may be many factors come into effect. From health, age, illness, or even the risk of losing doping. So to keep pets safe from having to undergo surgery under general anesthesia as possible. It has to be better prepared as follows.1. veterinary health checks are offered.- Study- To direct the animals.- Laboratory tests (blood tests, urine).- Make special cases, such as EKG, ultrasound, X-ray, etc.2. Follow the steps as veterinary advice refrain water at least 12 hours.Prevent vomiting Or retching food out, which could cause choking into the lungs. -
Konying When I say a "mask" that's what the vet told me, I haven't seen it so it may be something designed for a dog's muzzle, I don't know. Anyway, I'll opt for the "normal" anaesthetic.
Yep think again Vet was taking the piss,
Next time ask Vet to show you the mask, i am certain it does not exist, with every dog having different size and shape nose, its impossible and have not been invented yet
Really do not hesitate, the benefits outweigh the negatives and pup will be up and running in less than 24 hours, unless you have a terrorist like one of mine, who kept "removing" his stitches
I don't know where you got your 'knowledge' from Konying, but these masks do exist and are generally safer than an injection. Just very recently my vet nearby referred me to the Small Animal Hospital where they have these masks (has a specific name, but I forgot) as she found it safer for the old dog to have the operation done there than at her clinic where she only has the injection type.
Furthermore, your "advises" to Giddyup are down-right dangerous for the dog.
It is NORMAL procedure (and advisable) to have a CBC, liver and kidney test done before an operation.
And it is normal and very advisable to have the animal fast before operation, because it is highly undesirable and dangerous when an animal vomits during operation.
I've seen too many dogs that show hardly any to no symptoms of dis-ease, but where the blood-tests showed low to dangerous low platelets often together with low to dangerous low RBC. Just today a young dog went home, who is on medication because her platelets are low. She did and does not show ANY sx of dis-ease. They found out as she need to be operated on her paw and therefore did a blood test first.
In other words, it happens quite often (with tick diseases being rampant here due to the ideal climate for this pest) that a dog does not show any sx, but where the blood test indicates to wait with the operation and first treat the unnoticed other illness. And, therefore, it is *safer for the dog* to have a blood check done before going ahead with an operation.
In Giddyup's case the CBC seems be alright, but the liver isn't. Anesthesia is quite heavy on the liver as are the meds. So, as every *good* vet would and should suggest, is to treat first the liver and get those liver enzymes down before adding another burden to the liver.
Now,with Giddyup's dog the question remains what causes an elevation of the liver enzymes. One possibility is again tick disease.
Best is to ask the vet who did the blood test.
From what Giddyup wrote, this vet seems to know his stuff, has heart for the animal, comes with normal/reasonable prices, and let you *choose* which kind of anesthesia you want . Both will do the job, but the mask one is safer (and more expensive) than the injection. Pretty good vet and certainly not taking the piss, methinks.
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I don't think you'll have much problems getting this done, most Thai vets are OK, in point of fact I think I'd rather trust my local vet to 'open me up' than many of the local hospital doc's.
Since she's 5 or 6 yo it'll be easy. In my experience of getting animal's spayed here in Thailand the only issue is a reluctance to do it until after their first heat. I have always had them spayed at around 12-16 weeks which is now the normal in the US
You raise an interesting point there and I was wondering whether I should ask people's opinion on it. The vet I've been using seems to know his stuff and he's conveniently located for my house and reasonably priced. But he's a one-man practice and I'm not sure if he's capable of doing fairly major surgery like spaying an older bitch. Also, I read that after the operation the dog should be kept under observation overnight and I doubt if he's set up to do that either.
Somewhat less conveniently located for me and rather exorbitantly priced I am told is the premier pet clinic in Pattaya, Muang Ake. I'm sure this place would be able to do the surgery and aftercare, but probably at two or three times the price of my usual vet. Plus I'm one of those people who feels loyalty to someone who has done good work for them in the past, and I'd feel like I was letting the side down going to another vet. OTOH I don't really mind paying the extra money if it ensures the best and safest result for the dog.
Does anybody have any opinions on this matter, can a one-man vet practice safely spay an older bitch?
Spaying and neutering at an early age may be normal' now in the States, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's good for the dog, as the latest research supports.
The reproductive hormones are quite important for the growth.
Castration before the dog is physically and mentally matured can give an increased chance on bone-deformation (such as HD in Golden's), increased chance on osteo-sarcoma, increased chance on hypothyroidism, increased chance in incontinence in bitches later in their lives, increased chance in aggression towards other dogs in confident bitches, etc.
I suggest you read this, including the links that are added: http://www.luckydogs.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Web_-_Spaying_or_neutering_-_Pro_s_and_Con_s.pdf
As for having the dog spayed at a one-man's clinic, I have no problem with that as long as the vet is skilled.
Since we moved further out of Chiang Mai I hardly visit my regular vet anymore. They are plain too far now. Closeby, there is a one woman's vet with her (assistant)partner who has extensive practical experience. And I've been there several times already, including spaying of a bitch.
Here it is common practice that the owner brings his/her pet in the early morning, no food and water since midnight. Then later in the morning the operation occurs. The owner is called once the animal is up and about again, usually a couple of hours after surgery. During that time the vet checks for possible complications.
So Guderian, if you comfortable with your own vet and think he's skilled enough, then i suggest to bring your dog there.
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It's a bit hard to say just from the internet, but with the black pill I would think in the direction of liver or blood (red blood cells) support pill.
If so, it's a bit weird as doxycycline should not be given together with this kind of pill/supplement as it interferes with each other.
But best to ask your vet what each pill actually is and for what it for.
thanks nienke the vet told the wife the black tabs are to be given 30minutes after the other ones,and told her they were to build up the red blood cells.
Ah, there you go.
Glad your dog is so quickly recovering.
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It's a bit hard to say just from the internet, but with the black pill I would think in the direction of liver or blood (red blood cells) support pill.
If so, it's a bit weird as doxycycline should not be given together with this kind of pill/supplement as it interferes with each other.
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A woman in Makro Hang Dong had her lap dog with her this afternoon. In a shopping centre with fresh produce. The mind boggles here sometimes. lol
Yeh, the mind really boggles when one considers what can be more harmful to our health; the carefully-groomed-way-too-often-bathed little handbag dog close to the 'fresh' food or a dog on the table (which I do not condone, btw) , or the 'fresh food itself (depending where and how it is cultivated).
Was just watching a lecture recently held at the University of California, Berkeley by Michael Pollan, and it sure doesn't make you happy:
Edible Education 101 lecture, "A Brief History of the Modern Food System"
Edible Education 101 is presented by the Edible Schoolyard Project, UC Berkeley Food Institute, Berkeley College of Natural Resources, and the UC Global Food Initiative with support from the UC Berkeley Chancellor's Office, and Epstein-Roth Foundation.
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If in doubt go either back to your vet (or call back) or ask a second opinion.
However, from what you wrote Meatboy, my first thought is Anaplasmosis (is one of the very common tick diseases next to E.canis) It usually causes a drop in the red blood cells (=anemia) and platelets.
Too low hemoglobin in the blood (= red blood cells) can cause tiredness, dizziness, and even seizure-like stumbling almost as if the dog is drunk.
Usual treatment is doxycycline (antibiotic) and I suspect that the 10 pills (small white or pink flat round pills?) are cortico-steroid (prednisolone). The first is given to kill the parasite, the latter to boost the bone marrow to make red blood cells and platelets.
(this is how the vet explained it to me).
With extreme low RBC and/or platelets a vet may even decide to give anabolic steroid, followed by cortico-steroid.
Very common side-effects of cortico-steroids is increased water intake and with that increased urination often with nightly accidents (so be prepared for that), and increased appetite.
If the disease is caught in the early stages the dog's blood count will recover within a week, sometimes 2 weeks. Treatment, however, is often recommended for 6 to 8 weeks, where the cortico-steroids is slowly tapered of.-
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Not Bangkok, per se, but pretty close:
Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Headrock-Dogs-Rescue/754627151228481Website:
http://www.headrockdogs.org.uk/
And some history of this organization:And another one in Hua Hin:
Facebook page:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Streetdogs-Hua-Hin-Thailand/401070736579354
Website:
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Of all the dogs already in Thailand why on Earth bring more ? Plus very traumatic for the animals.
I always wonder with remarks like this:
does this mean that if you consider taking care a dog it will be a rescued one? That's definitely very commendable.
But does that also mean that when you would leave the country you would easily leave your 4-legged family member behind?
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Pet Cremation in Chiang Mai
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Frontline also has Fipronil as has many tick/flea-shampoo's.
I find it a bit hard to advise a product. We use, depending on the dogs Frontline, Tictox powder, coconut oil, or with one dog vinegar.
I know of 2 dogs who almost suffered from kidney failure after getting a newish tick/flea medicine. The product worked like a dream, no more ticks. But then it was also almost 'no more dog'.
So for now I stick to the products I know.