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It's a bit hard to say just from the internet, but with the black pill I would think in the direction of liver or blood (red blood cells) support pill.

If so, it's a bit weird as doxycycline should not be given together with this kind of pill/supplement as it interferes with each other.
But best to ask your vet what each pill actually is and for what it for.

Anyone who thinks 'Rotty's' 'Staffies' or 'Pitties' are anything other than dangerous breeds is deluded, the less of them the better. An answer on another place to are 'Rotty's' dangerous:

i work at a veterinary hospital, and a few weeks ago, a three year old rottweiler was put down for attacking the children in the family. he was a sweet loving family dog, and one day out of the blue, he attacked. five minutes later, he was back to normal. the explanation for this is that rottweilers are prone to a genetic defect that can be hereditary, which is similar to bi-polarity in humans. something triggers the dog's brain to attack instead of act gentle, and the dog may not even realize. this is more common in rottweilers than any other breed, and little is actually known about this "disorder." it may be due to the lack of certain chemicals in the dog's brain, or something else. but gentle dogs with no past history can become brutal in an instant, then back to normal. the sad thing is that once a dog does something like that, you can't really trust them again. in other cases, it is the owner that determines the dog's behavior.

Do the world a favour and have them put down.

Dragonfly, who gave you this explanation? Was an autopsy done? And did it show a tumor in the brain? As that could explain a sudden change in behavior of a dog and an unprovoked bite.

Healthy dogs do not bite 'out of the blue'. That's a myth.

It is much more likely that the parents/care-takers and the children were ignorant of the dog's language, needs and his many requests of being left alone, which the dog undoubtedly has been giving, until that day when the tolerance level was reached. The highest number of dog bites occurs with familiar dogs, and primarily because the dog's subtle language went unnoticed.

Where were the parents/adults when this incident happened? Were the dog with the children supervised by an adult when the incident happened?

I invite you to watch this vdo with an extremely tolerant rottie who is just begging the adults to have them stop the interaction, incredible ignorant parents, an innocent child and an accident waiting to happen. And if it happens, it's the dog who will have to pay with her life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaxCYgqh2ao

Here's another one, where the rottie clearly shows s/he's uncomfortable with the child's interaction: yawning, lip flicking, whale eye, looking away, head turns. And these 'kisses' aren't signs of affection, it's an appeasement signal as in "please, stop": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LWB7SYhzGQ

In both clips you can clearly see the dog asking for help from the owner.

Just in case, things do not work out and you still would like to take the dogs with you.

Assuming you are going to the States or Canada:

If dog travels with owner as accompanied luggage, the gross weight will be calculated.
If dog travels as cargo, the volume weight is calculated. This is often 2 to 3 times higher than the grows weight.

Assume dog weighs 40 kg and crate weighs 10 kg. Gross weight 50kg.

Per accompanied luggage:
Flight CNX-BKK 40B/kg = 2,000 baht
Flights BKK-SFO 50X 318b/kg = 15,900
Total say around 20,000 baht per dog.

Per cargo:
If crate is: 102x69x76.5cm Volume weight 90kg
CNX-BKK:
90 x 40 = 3,600 baht
If send by cargo agency, there will be their fee as well, which quickly can up to 4 to 5,000 baht.
BKK-SFO
Airfreight:90 x318 = 28,620 b
Fuel charge: 90 x 39 = 3,520 b
Crisis surcharge 90 x 4 - 360 b
Servoce charge cargo agency 4,000 b
T/L + AWB fee
Customs fee
Total fee sending 1 big dog to SFO or YVR by cargo between 50 and 60,000 baht.

If you have big rotties, the dimension of the crate mentioned will most probably be too small. There are crates even bigger than the one I mentioned, but with that the volume weight and, thus, the costs will go up.

Fingers crossed things will work out well for you and the dogs.

A woman in Makro Hang Dong had her lap dog with her this afternoon. In a shopping centre with fresh produce. The mind boggles here sometimes. lol

Yeh, the mind really boggles when one considers what can be more harmful to our health; the carefully-groomed-way-too-often-bathed little handbag dog close to the 'fresh' food or a dog on the table (which I do not condone, btw) , or the 'fresh food itself (depending where and how it is cultivated).

Was just watching a lecture recently held at the University of California, Berkeley by Michael Pollan, and it sure doesn't make you happy:

Edible Education 101 lecture, "A Brief History of the Modern Food System"

Edible Education 101 is presented by the Edible Schoolyard Project, UC Berkeley Food Institute, Berkeley College of Natural Resources, and the UC Global Food Initiative with support from the UC Berkeley Chancellor's Office, and Epstein-Roth Foundation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idZ3R38-z3c

If in doubt go either back to your vet (or call back) or ask a second opinion.

However, from what you wrote Meatboy, my first thought is Anaplasmosis (is one of the very common tick diseases next to E.canis) It usually causes a drop in the red blood cells (=anemia) and platelets.
Too low hemoglobin in the blood (= red blood cells) can cause tiredness, dizziness, and even seizure-like stumbling almost as if the dog is drunk.
Usual treatment is doxycycline (antibiotic) and I suspect that the 10 pills (small white or pink flat round pills?) are cortico-steroid (prednisolone). The first is given to kill the parasite, the latter to boost the bone marrow to make red blood cells and platelets.
(this is how the vet explained it to me).
With extreme low RBC and/or platelets a vet may even decide to give anabolic steroid, followed by cortico-steroid.

Very common side-effects of cortico-steroids is increased water intake and with that increased urination often with nightly accidents (so be prepared for that), and increased appetite.


If the disease is caught in the early stages the dog's blood count will recover within a week, sometimes 2 weeks. Treatment, however, is often recommended for 6 to 8 weeks, where the cortico-steroids is slowly tapered of.

Not Bangkok, per se, but pretty close:

Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Headrock-Dogs-Rescue/754627151228481

Website:

http://www.headrockdogs.org.uk/
And some history of this organization:

http://www.huahintoday.com/thailand_news/headrock-dog-rescue-job-headrock-dogs-rescue-saved-500-puppies-adopted-440-neutered-580-last-5-years/

And another one in Hua Hin:
Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Streetdogs-Hua-Hin-Thailand/401070736579354

Website:

http://www.streetdogshuahin.com/eng/

Of all the dogs already in Thailand why on Earth bring more ? Plus very traumatic for the animals.

I always wonder with remarks like this:

does this mean that if you consider taking care a dog it will be a rescued one? That's definitely very commendable.

But does that also mean that when you would leave the country you would easily leave your 4-legged family member behind?

There is a difference in import duties when the dog comes as cargo or as accompanied luggage. For cargo the fee is 40% of the airfare+value of the dog.

If accompanied luggage, the fee for a mix should be between 100 and 300 baht per dog. It's a bit hard to tell, as this fee so often differs. For a full-bred dog it's more, but I forgot how that calculation goes.

For clearing a pet in Chiang Mai you can get the import permit at the Animal Quarantine Station on the Huay Keaw Road, next to the police station. They are friendly, helpful and do speak English there.

Tel: 053 - 892 453

It's the whitish building right next to the police station on the left, see red arrow:

Animal Quarantine Station.jpg

If the dog comes as accompanied luggage it should be okay to clear the dog/pet after working hours. But in case the dog/pet comes in as cargo, the animal has to be cleared at the cargo terminal during working hours only.

At the cargo terminal they will leave the animal in the travel crate until the animal is cleared. There is no special area for the animals.

Thank you. The last part about the dog coming in after hours, as accompanied luggage, and requiring no special staffing... Is this confirmed by your own experience in Chiang Mai or was the story related to you? Sorry to sound like I am splitting hairs, but I need to be sure and I don't have an official Chiang Mai government source to confirm this. The dog will arrive as checked/accompanied luggage and not as cargo and the difference in fees is substantial as well as if the dog will stay overnight or be released.

Thank you.

Just called with the Korean Airline office at the airport, and they said if the dog (or other pet) arrives as accompanied luggage there will be officials at the international arrival hall for clearing the pet.

The custom procedure can take some time, an hour or more, so bring something to eat and drink, and a book or fancy phone for internet use.

Then left of the building (when facing it) there is a large parking lot where the big tourist buses often park. Behind this parking-lot there are grass-fields. There dogs can be let out to relieve themselves. But please, be careful that the dog doesn't bold out and runs of, and please, please please pick up the feces in case the dog poops. Or, chances are high sign-boards will be put up sooner than later with 'dogs not allowed', and thus spoiling it for others in similar situations big time.

They are a handful, require a lot of training and are very independent and stubborn. Beautiful dog but!

Aren't they all?

Except for the 'stubborn' part, as that has more to do with proper training and motivating a dog to perform the behaviors you would like to see repeated.

There is a difference in import duties when the dog comes as cargo or as accompanied luggage. For cargo the fee is 40% of the airfare+value of the dog.
If accompanied luggage, the fee for a mix should be between 100 and 300 baht per dog. It's a bit hard to tell, as this fee so often differs. For a full-bred dog it's more, but I forgot how that calculation goes.

For clearing a pet in Chiang Mai you can get the import permit at the Animal Quarantine Station on the Huay Keaw Road, next to the police station. They are friendly, helpful and do speak English there.
Tel: 053 - 892 453
It's the whitish building right next to the police station on the left, see red arrow:

If the dog comes as accompanied luggage it should be okay to clear the dog/pet after working hours. But in case the dog/pet comes in as cargo, the animal has to be cleared at the cargo terminal during working hours only.
At the cargo terminal they will leave the animal in the travel crate until the animal is cleared. There is no special area for the animals.

http://www.pethospital.co.th/article-detail.php?id=19

https://www.facebook.com/notes/583671871643215/

https://www.facebook.com/donmuangpet.vet/posts/763167413699899

http://jwc.in.th/jwc6/project/b/?p=34

Hi Jason,

This is long winded but contains absolutely everything you need.

In September 2014, we relocated from the UK to Thailand and took our 2 cats. We used 'Passport for Pets' relocation company in the UK and all went smoothly. They were fantastic but it cost an absolute arm and a leg in the end. The process is ultimately simple but trying to ascertain what and when things are needed is extremely stressful, especially given that before you are willing to take your cats with you and not leave them behind, speaks volumes about how much you care for them. You can do it and they will be fine. It was one of the most stressful experiences I've had (and believe me I'm not easily stressed).

Basically you need the following documents: ...

...

...

Good luck with the move. Sounds daunting I know, but they'll settle in fine and you'll be glad you took them. Let me know if there's anything else your not sure about and I'll try and help.

Fantastic and very helpful post!

Thank you.

They have changed their url.

Here's the new one:
http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=297:importation-of-live-animals&catid=80:kmresearch-&Itemid=123

import/export application form:

http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/images/stories/document/form-movement/form-r1-1.pdf

Hello Dom Dom

This was our experience of Bringing our Dog into Thailand

We landed in Thailand August 2013.

We contacted the Animal quarantine station at Suvarnabhumi airport before we left Canada, and they stated we would have to e-mail, (prior to our departure) a

CFIA Health Certificate with the appropriate vaccinations signed by our Vet ,CFIA Vet, Passport info, Flight ticket, pic of dog and a Form 1/1 which was downloaded from the Department of Livestock Development. (If I remember correctly) We sent all this info via e-mail to Anusorn Kosathip at the animal quarantine office.

[email protected] Phone # 66 2 1340731

She sent a e-mail back within 2 days with an attached certificate granting us permission to bring our dog into Thailand, which was valid for 45 days.

We took all this paperwork along with the dog, (He was shipped as excess luggage) to the animal quarantine office at Swampy, they filled out more forms cant remember the form number and after signing and paying 100 baht. we were sent to customs. After paying 1000 baht to customs we were on our way.

I hope this helps, if you like you can PM me and I will give you more specifics of the procedure.

S.B.

So there seems to be conflicting information regarding this, but this was our experience.

Requirements can be found here:

http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=297:importation-of-live-animals&catid=80:kmresearch-&Itemid=123

and import/export application form can be found here:

http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/images/stories/document/form-movement/form-r1-1.pdf

A father or any adult should protect their children by teaching their children how to properly approach dogs and that not all dogs like to be approached or to be petted. Just like not all kids, and adults, are comfortable to be touched by just anyone, and every human has their own personal space. (as all can be read in the article above-mentioned) Every dog, like every human, has their own little black box from which they react.
I've known fathers who thought it was perfectly normal when their children ran straight up to each dog and even put their arms around the dog's neck. And it would be the dog's fault if the dog would react. How completely irresponsible is that?!

When a child still does approach in an inappropriate way, the responsible adult/s should kick their own ass, and make a mental note to (very) quickly teach their child the do's and don'ts when interacting with dogs (or any other animal for that matter).

In the case of this particular dog, muzzling him permanently is close to cruel, IMHO. I understand the safety factor, and muzzling the dog at certain times may be appropriate, just not always.
In situations as the garden-episode, maybe keep the dog away from the people, if possible. Or, yes muzzle the dog.
The thing with only muzzling the dog, the dog will not learn the desired behavior. On the contrary, the dog may become even more and faster reactive over-time, because with a muzzle the dog may feel more tense as his defense system as been shut-down. Plus, each time a person approaches in an inappropriate way the dog's anxious feeling will be confirmed and his reactive behavior reinforced.

It seems that during the garden episode the dog has been allowed in your garden, and therefore half-half you have already accepted the dog is yours (please go for the 100% ) Therefore, I still feel cc/dc is the way to go.

A last thing what you can do, but it needs some promotion, is to put a yellow ribbon around the dog's neck. It's an upcoming worldly event (thingy???) where the yellow ribbon means "this dog feels uncomfortable with people and/or dogs, and can over-react when pushed over threshold". In other words, it's a clear-visible warning ribbon to leave the dog alone.
But, as said, this needs promotion, maybe as small billboards at the entrance and club-house of the mooban and at the gate of your house, and it needs some management.

Okay, summarized you wrote in your OP:

He is good with other dogs and with people he knows, passers-by, and those who ignore him and respect his space.

But .... when "someone new approaches him fast in the wrong way he snaps back"

However:
"He would NEVER just attack for the sake of it if say someone was walking past.
He would never continue more than a snap.
If people are I simply neutral to him no problem."

Now, first read this great article written by Dr. Sophia Yin (may she Rest in Peace)

http://drsophiayin.com/blog/entry/preventing-dog-bites-by-learning-to-greet-dogs-properly

Does this apply to your dog? And if so, then who's the real aggressor: the dog or the (fast) approaching person who forces his or her affection on this dog, who doesn't even know the person?

First of all, I doubt castrating your dog will solve the snapping problem, but it sure will help reducing the unwanted litters he helps putting into this world. So, from that point of view, please, give him the snip-snip (if it isn't done already)

Second: from what you write it gives me the impression your dog feels highly uncomfortable with people coming suddenly too close too fast, making him react and the reaction is fear-based. If that is the case, then with proper counter-conditioning and desensitization techniques the problem can be solved.
Traditional based training techniques, that is trying to correct the dog's aggressive reaction with aversive methods, may also add to the fear, and increase rather than decrease the problem.

Muzzling the dog will not change the dog's feelings (fear) towards these fast approaching scary creatures and, in fact, can add to his fear, as he can't defend himself anymore.

But, in case you insist on buying a muzzle and refrain on re-habbing the dog, a nylon muzzle will prevent the dog from normal panting. The dog may then get over-heated and die because of that. And ... the dog can still bite with it's inscissors, the only problem then is that the muzzle will prevent the dog from opening the mouth far enough so that the person can get his/her piece of flesh back without being ripped of. Nylon muzzles: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dog+nylon+muzzle&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Ri-yVNKtGtKdugTk0IDoBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

A dog with a proper fitting basket muzzle, however, can take treats, drink and properly pant. But, still it is advisable to take it of each time the dog is in the house or confined garden, or the muzzle may irritated and damage the skin with prolonged use.
Basket muzzles: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dog+nylon+muzzle&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Ri-yVNKtGtKdugTk0IDoBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=dog+basket+muzzles

My bad boy turkey too, these are cool fellas...

And a turkey. Now you get me going!

Seriously cool.

How old can turkey, geese and guinea fowl get when well taken care of?

Goose live approx 20yrs, oldest recorded was 49yrs

Guinea fowl and Turkey approx 10-12 years.

Easy to look after,

just make a secure coop for them and give then clean water and food, they will be your best friends

I can send you some eggs, maybe your duck will get broody ?

Wow, thank you for the offer!

However, circumstances changed a bit and for the time being I have to put the desire for having another kind of (poultry) pet back in the drawer.

Thanks junglechef for the offer and others for your comments.

Unfortunately, the plans for another pet-species have to go back into the drawer for the time being.
The right time will come for the expansion of my mini-zoo, just not now.

My bad boy turkey too, these are cool fellas...

And a turkey. Now you get me going!

Seriously cool.

How old can turkey, geese and guinea fowl get when well taken care of?

See, they have taken over my swing seat

They do eat all the bugs though and my dog never has ticks !

Seriously cool looking birds.

So you raise them yourself.

Is it easy to raise them? Special requirements? What kind of food do you give them?

Do you have a chick or two for sale? And if so, please, don't tell me you are at the other side of Thailand.

Guinea fowl seem to be a very nervous bird,at least the ones i had

in the UK, bought them, took them home and let them loose in the

garden, within minutes they had all flown onto the roof of an adjacent

building,never to be seen again,don't think they would do well around

dogs.

regards worgeordie P.S. Geese might be better for you,they will boss the dogs around.

Maybe if I buy little ones and keep them confined till they are used to the barking? The chicken don't care. As long as I make sure the dogs can't get to them.

Will look in to keeping geese as well. Good guard birds. And may throw in the occasional stubborn dog ... or owner.

But ... but ... but .. Guinea fowls eat ticks ... they say. And I REALLY like that idea.
You don't think that would be a great natural ticky-pest control in stead of spraying with some highly poisonous yukkie stuff?

And guinea fowls can not go together with chicken, you think? I'm not worried about Lady Duck, because she is not confined. She stays in and near the fish pond which does not have a fence around. The chicken are fenced in and so will be the guinea fowls.

As for eggs I'm not too worried. Birds not always need a male to be able to lay fertile eggs: http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141219-spectacular-real-virgin-births If that happens I will change her name to Duckria.
It would be quite nice to have some ducklings playing in the fishpond soon, though. So, let me think about a bf.

Not sure about shrimp or prawn from the market. Aren't these full with heavy chemicals?
Someone else mentioned meal-worms and crickets. You will see that bastardo-duck is going to like these yukky-stuff most.

Since the latest arrival flying in from space my zoo now consists of dogs, cats, chicken, 1 pig named Oink, and 1 duck named Lady-Duck (yup, I can be very original )
Here's Lady-Duck and I adore her to bits: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152615511776589&set=vb.531961588&type=2&theater
Not sure if this love is returned, but as long as the fish pond is filled with lots of snails and other goodies and she can keep on joining the fish during their meal times, she seems to enjoy staying.

Now, I'm looking into an extension of my zoo and well in the form of guinea fowls.
Does anyone know where to get guinea fowls in Chiang Mai?

Thank you, both for your replies.

Not sure about the boyfriend, but if she likes she can go fly of and get one herself. It may explain a bit why I often see some of the big birds very close to her .... and quickly flying of as soon as I come in the picture. Sneaky dirrrrrty birds!


Lots of snails in the pond, which is most probably the reason of her arrival and stay. Will start supplementing her diet with some of my greeny veggies, and give fish-food as delicious treats. Need to find reasons for her to stay and not find a better food source elsewhere.

As for pest control with all those dogs I'm more interested into keeping guinea fowls.