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Many dog bites are anxiety- and/or fear-based, as is the case with this dog.
This dog has learned that the best defense is the offence: 'be quicker than the object that is fast-moving towards you and has hurt you in the past'. If the object is only 'a hand moving fast towards the head' than the dog is discriminating. If the object is more than that, than the dog has generalized his fear towards other things.
Besides this issue the dog doesn't seem to have issues, making me believe that through desensitization and counter-conditioning this dog's fear issue can quite easily be solved.
It's often the impatience of the people, a lack of understanding of the way dogs communicate (including the appeasement/calming/stress signals), the mistaken believe of the 'theory of the pack-leader and dominance' and the continuous push of the dog over his/her threshold, that makes the rehab difficult and sets the dog up to failure. -
I give my dogs a raw food diet for almost 15 years now. They thrive well on it, and no issues with aggression as a result of eating raw meat .
Dogs getting aggressive from eating raw meat has no scientific back-up. But that dogs' moods are influenced by their diet is a well-known fact.
I've had a few dogs, including 2 6-weeks old puppies, with no appetite for any food due to illness, who still wanted to eat the offered raw meaty chicken bone and quail. All recovered.
As with commercial dog dry- and wet-food and preparing our own meals just normal hygiene measures and common sense is advised.
Heating changes or destroys the chemical composition of many protein, vitamin and mineral. The longer you cook/heat the meat the lower the bio-availability of the proteins.
Commercial dog food nutritionally balanced is not possible and is a myth. First science does not know all about all nutrients. So, if they don't know how can they claim it is 100% nutritional balanced.
Second, how can a diet that is the same meal after meal, not taking into account differences in breed, sexe, spayed/neutered vs. fixed, age, stresses from whatever in the environment, climate stresses, etc., be nutritional balance for all these dogs.
Third, when dog owners claim the food they gave to their dog contains all their dog needs, why do many feel the need to supplement with other food items?
There have been salmonella outbreaks in dry dog-food fed dogs.
Dogs fed on raw food diet can get worms, and so can dogs fed on commercial dog food. However, IME over the past almost 15 years the occurrence of any intestinal worms in dogs fed on a raw food diet is far lower than those fed on a commercial dog-food diet.
Chicken skin contains excellent and healthy fat. Also some chicken fat is very good for the dog. But too much fat is not good (like with everything: too much is not good ... except for cookies and mango cheese cake .... )
Feeding raw food together with kibble is not advisable, and that has to do with the different digestive enzymes a body makes for grains and for meat, same as in humans. An individual will not immediately die from it when given together, but for a better digestion it is advisable to give these food items separately. -
Q1: Anyone know where in the Phuket area that sell medical and dental instruments? Forceps, scrapers, periodontal probes, etc? Phuket area would be the best. But I could pick things up on one of my trips to BKK if need be.
Answer to Q1: ask Soi Dog FoundationQ2: Before I left, propofol was not a controlled anesthetic drug in the US, just a prescription level drug. Anyone know the status here? Is it OTC?
Answer to Q2: ask Soi Dog Foundation
3. Is Veterinary Medicine one of the protected jobs in Thailand? Would love to get into the field again if possible. If not, then I can still work with my own pets if I can get 1 and 2 without problems, mostly in the dental cleaning field.
Answer to Q3: I doubt you, as a foreigner, can start your own vet business, but best ask Soi Dog Foundation. And when you are at it, you may offer some volunteer dental cleaning work on the many dogs under Soi Dog Foundation's care.
(Did I mention Soi Dog Foundation on Phuket already?
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Thank you all for the recommendations. Much appreciated.
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(Asking for a friend, not for myself. Although, I certainly will keep it in mind, just in case. .... Knocking on wood like a madman now )
Which heart specialist/cardiologist in Chiang Mai would you recommend?
What about Bangkok Hospital? Any good where it concerns high/low blood pressure, heart conditions?
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Just in case anyone is still following this thread:
Speyed female dogs have a lower incidence of mammary cancer (cf. unspeyed females).
They can't get pyometron, a truly disgusting and sometimes lethal condition.
And they don't attract all the local males,
which will smash windows, leap fences, and fight each other for a piece of the action.
The best dog is a neutered dog. AA
Unless you are intending to breed I can think of no reason NOT TO sterilise your dog. A sterilised dog is generally a healthier dog.
Actually I can think of several reasons why NOT to spay/neuter before a dog is mentally and physically matured:
http://www.luckydogs.info/links-health-spay-neuter/
A truly responsible dog-owner makes sure his/her dog or bitch can not put unwanted puppies in this world ever, and will not spay/neuter for his/her own convenience.
For stray dogs it is a different story, naturally. As the mating can not be properly controlled, early spaying/neutering is indicated.
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Must have a serological Rabies test done, no matter what.
It would be less hassle for the owner if s/he has this test done while the dog is still in the EU.
Once the test is done and the result is positive, then it is valid for the rest of the dog's life, IF and only IF the owner keeps the Rabies vaccinations up-to-date.
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Do most of it yourself and save upto 10K baht.
1. go to vet and have dog microchipped about 600 baht)
2. on same day have Rabies vax done. (about 80 baht)
3. wait one month, go back to vet and have blood drawn forom dog and have this made into a serum. (price varies. Say about 500 baht depending on where you have the drawing done)
4. On same day update dog's other vaccines required by Sweden.(If nr2 has been done within a year and more than month after nr.1, you can go ahead with nr.3 straight away. No need to wait a month).
5. Wrap serum in bubble plastic and then in a thick envelope with a copy of the vaccination book with latest Rabies vaccine, copy of microchip card, and the papers provided by a registered lab in the EU. I always use the lab in Belgium for any EU country.
Send serum and paperwork with EMS to the lab. (about 1,000 baht)
Make sure payment is fulfilled before the serum arrives at the lab (50 - 60 euro)
6. Start crate training your dog. And do not forget to teach him/her to drink from a drinking bottle.
7. 2 to 4 weeks after blood send the Rabies serological test result should be send to you.
8. From the day the blood was drawn your dog has to stay another 3 months in Thailand till s/he is allowed to enter the EU, provided the test result is positive.
9. About 2 days before departure date take your dog to the vet with the ANNEX II document for a tapeworm treatment. This has to be written, stamped and signed by the vet. (price of a worm cure)
10. 1 or 2 days before departure date take dog to the Animal Quarantine Station for the necessary export permit and health certificate. Bring with you:
Dog in international approved travel crate
passport and copy passport
Annex II
Document serological test result and copy
vaccination book and copy (= dog passport)
microchip card and copy
flight details
Pay 50 or 100 baht.
1 to 3 hours later they should issue the export permit and health certificate.
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So far I've been told, you need an import permit. Better double check this, by having your wife phone to the AQS at Suvarnabhumi airport:
http://aqi.dld.go.th/th/images/stories/document/form-movement/form-r1-1.pdf
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You need a health certificate and export permit.
You can get this in Chiang Mai IF you travel Korean air: CNX-seoul-seatle(??? or somewhere US)
If you via BKK, you need to get these certificates at the AQS at Suvarnabhumi airport.-
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Try Khun Pek (Sakol). He lives in Chiang Mai, but knows people in the boxer world nationwide.
He himself is a boxer breeder already for over 20 years. Speaks perfect English.
His facebookpage: https://www.facebook.com/sakol.limsakdakul?fref=ts -
LuckyDogs-TH moved a year ago to a 10 rai plot of garden with lots of large and medium sized trees and at least 25 different birds species, and I'm still adding 'new' ones to the list.
Lots of space to run and play for the dogs pretty much the whole day.
We have now 5 dog runs and 7 play-camps. The play-camps are attached to 10 dog kennels.
Next to the runs and kennels with play-camps, there is the option of in-house boarding, provided that the dog is compatible with me, my staff and my dogs.
And we have cat-boarding as well.4 of the 5 dog runs
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our vet has just phoned and i cannot control my emotions[OF JOY] his blood cell count has gone up from 20,000 to
40,000 and no worms detected. he wants him to have one more course of meds.
today and wed.are milestones for my wife and me so let the celabrations begin.
A BIG THANK YOU TO ALL THE SUPORT YOU GAVE US.
MR.& MRS MEAT AND NOT FORGETTING SAM.
Great news. Glad your dog is on his way to recovery.
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That's great And while you are thanking god for his recovery, please pray for him to help my wife who had a haemorrhagic stroke yesterday morning and after brain surgery is fighting for her life in a Lopburi hospital!
Oh my goodness, Wayned. That's shocking news.
Lots and lots of prayers and healing thoughts send to your wife and to you.
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In and around Bangkok.
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https://www.facebook.com/tumdoggyworld?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004992610938&fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/wip.tkk?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
https://www.facebook.com/boy.roddamrongrith?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser
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I'm very sorry to hear/read this, Meatboy.
From what I've read the occurrence of H. Canis in Thailand isn't high. And if caught in the early stages, chances on recovery are there. But, you have to be on top of it. And it seems you are.
Here's some reading material on this subject:http://www.vivapets.com/article/tiks_as_carriers_of_diseases/6
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00580-006-0606-6
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1196/annals.1373.071/abstract
http://tru.uni-sz.bg/tsj/Vol.6,%20N2,%202008/A.ivanov_et_al1.pdf
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Anyone know how to interpret his liver function results? I picked up the printout from the vet today and this is what it reads for his liver.
SGPT (ALT) 73 (5-50:10-60) unit
There is an arrow pointing up alongside the 73 indicating that the reading is high.
From the research I've done it appears that 15-66 is a normal result, so 73 is higher than normal, but is it that bad?
73 is slightly elevated. Not serious.
But if your vet wants to go ahead with this result, you better discuss with him.
Maybe he prefers to play is completely safe, maybe he says this happens also in healthy dogs. Those blood results can fluctuate, but how much fluctuation is allowed I do not know exactly.
I think you best trust your vet's judgement on this.
edit/added: there are different tests with different normal range results. So, be careful when looking up stuff.
I suspect 5-50 is for males and 10-60 is for females, but don't pin me on that. Again, best to ask your vet.
Thanks, but I'm a little concerned that this vet is just finding reasons to sell me more and more stuff. He suggested milk thistle for his liver, which I bought, and actually take myself in capsule form, and then wanted me to buy a blood "tonic" which I refused. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid, and they have the dog's best interest at heart. I certainly hope so. It's not like he's a sickly 9 month old dog, he eats and sleeps well and has plenty of energy.
It's possible that the vet is over-doing it a tad.
Milk-thistle is pretty good .... in humans. I suppose in dogs as well, although I have not read research reports about that. Only anecdotal recommendations. I would follow (as you do already) your vet's advise.
Not sure why the blood-tonic, as you don't say what in it and for what your vet is giving it. Only for the liver or also to boost RBC and platelets?
Are these in the low range?
Did you ask your vet what may cause the elevation of the liver. Next to the blood test, has the vet done a SNAP-test? And what kind of food do you give to your dog; what kind of food brand?
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May be you should contact Thonglor and the Uni and advise them of mask existence.
I have had 10 dogs and 20 cats desexed in Thailand and at no time, any Vet including Thonglor who charge 7000 baht for the procedure did the blood test or any of the crap you seem to think is legitimate making this Vet to know his stuff
A simple google search shows you the existence of these masks: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dogs+gas+anesthesia+mask&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YUPpVLKUNc6WuASl_YHYBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Another google search tells you that even Soi Dog Foundation in Phuket and Care for Dogs in Chiang Mai have gas anesthesia machines. assume these machine come with masks.
And on Thonglor's facebook page: a picture of a cat at ThongLor Animal Hospital in Bangkok with a, what looks to me, mask on his/her face:
On their website the gas anesthesia is mentioned: http://www.thonglorpet.com/inner_clinic-detail.php?id=3
And for the preparation before surgery, also on the ThongLor website (translated by google, but still readable):
Preparing for Surgery and Anesthesia.Since there may be many factors come into effect. From health, age, illness, or even the risk of losing doping. So to keep pets safe from having to undergo surgery under general anesthesia as possible. It has to be better prepared as follows.1. veterinary health checks are offered.- Study- To direct the animals.- Laboratory tests (blood tests, urine).- Make special cases, such as EKG, ultrasound, X-ray, etc.2. Follow the steps as veterinary advice refrain water at least 12 hours.Prevent vomiting Or retching food out, which could cause choking into the lungs.And i am telling you for the third time, even with major surgery's like my dogs had, mask was never offered, including oxygen when it was badly needed.
Would seeing the bills make you believe? 1 night stay at Thonglor in ER 9800 baht, surely if they had a mask they would have put it on, do not you think?
It's not about what kind of treatment your dogs have or have not had.
It's about you (initially saying; in this post you are saying it a tad different) that the masks do not exist. See your post #14:
"...Next time ask Vet to show you the mask, i am certain it does not exist, with every dog having different size and shape nose, its impossible and have not been invented yet . .. "
You are incorrect there.
And you saying (post #3):
"giddyup,Vet is taking the piss.
NO blood tests needed or 12 hour fasting ... "
That is dangerous advise and mis-information, which can be potentially dangerous for the patient.
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Anyone know how to interpret his liver function results? I picked up the printout from the vet today and this is what it reads for his liver.
SGPT (ALT) 73 (5-50:10-60) unit
There is an arrow pointing up alongside the 73 indicating that the reading is high.
From the research I've done it appears that 15-66 is a normal result, so 73 is higher than normal, but is it that bad?
73 is slightly elevated. Not serious. (I think, not completely sure actually)
But if your vet wants to go ahead with this result, you better discuss with him.
Maybe he prefers to play is completely safe, maybe he says this happens also in healthy dogs. Those blood results can fluctuate, but how much fluctuation is allowed I do not know exactly.
I think you best trust your vet's judgement on this.
edit/added: there are different tests with different normal range results. So, be careful when looking up stuff.
I suspect 5-50 is for males and 10-60 is for females, but don't pin me on that. Again, best to ask your vet.
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May be you should contact Thonglor and the Uni and advise them of mask existence.
I have had 10 dogs and 20 cats desexed in Thailand and at no time, any Vet including Thonglor who charge 7000 baht for the procedure did the blood test or any of the crap you seem to think is legitimate making this Vet to know his stuff
A simple google search shows you the existence of these masks: https://www.google.co.th/search?q=dogs+gas+anesthesia+mask&rlz=1C1AISC_enTH529TH529&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=635&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=YUPpVLKUNc6WuASl_YHYBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Another google search tells you that even Soi Dog Foundation in Phuket and Care for Dogs in Chiang Mai have gas anesthesia machines. assume these machine come with masks.
And on Thonglor's facebook page: a picture of a cat at ThongLor Animal Hospital in Bangkok with a, what looks to me, mask on his/her face:
On their website the gas anesthesia is mentioned: http://www.thonglorpet.com/inner_clinic-detail.php?id=3
And for the preparation before surgery, also on the ThongLor website (translated by google, but still readable):
Preparing for Surgery and Anesthesia.Since there may be many factors come into effect. From health, age, illness, or even the risk of losing doping. So to keep pets safe from having to undergo surgery under general anesthesia as possible. It has to be better prepared as follows.1. veterinary health checks are offered.- Study- To direct the animals.- Laboratory tests (blood tests, urine).- Make special cases, such as EKG, ultrasound, X-ray, etc.2. Follow the steps as veterinary advice refrain water at least 12 hours.Prevent vomiting Or retching food out, which could cause choking into the lungs. -
Konying When I say a "mask" that's what the vet told me, I haven't seen it so it may be something designed for a dog's muzzle, I don't know. Anyway, I'll opt for the "normal" anaesthetic.
Yep think again Vet was taking the piss,
Next time ask Vet to show you the mask, i am certain it does not exist, with every dog having different size and shape nose, its impossible and have not been invented yet
Really do not hesitate, the benefits outweigh the negatives and pup will be up and running in less than 24 hours, unless you have a terrorist like one of mine, who kept "removing" his stitches
I don't know where you got your 'knowledge' from Konying, but these masks do exist and are generally safer than an injection. Just very recently my vet nearby referred me to the Small Animal Hospital where they have these masks (has a specific name, but I forgot) as she found it safer for the old dog to have the operation done there than at her clinic where she only has the injection type.
Furthermore, your "advises" to Giddyup are down-right dangerous for the dog.
It is NORMAL procedure (and advisable) to have a CBC, liver and kidney test done before an operation.
And it is normal and very advisable to have the animal fast before operation, because it is highly undesirable and dangerous when an animal vomits during operation.
I've seen too many dogs that show hardly any to no symptoms of dis-ease, but where the blood-tests showed low to dangerous low platelets often together with low to dangerous low RBC. Just today a young dog went home, who is on medication because her platelets are low. She did and does not show ANY sx of dis-ease. They found out as she need to be operated on her paw and therefore did a blood test first.
In other words, it happens quite often (with tick diseases being rampant here due to the ideal climate for this pest) that a dog does not show any sx, but where the blood test indicates to wait with the operation and first treat the unnoticed other illness. And, therefore, it is *safer for the dog* to have a blood check done before going ahead with an operation.
In Giddyup's case the CBC seems be alright, but the liver isn't. Anesthesia is quite heavy on the liver as are the meds. So, as every *good* vet would and should suggest, is to treat first the liver and get those liver enzymes down before adding another burden to the liver.
Now,with Giddyup's dog the question remains what causes an elevation of the liver enzymes. One possibility is again tick disease.
Best is to ask the vet who did the blood test.
From what Giddyup wrote, this vet seems to know his stuff, has heart for the animal, comes with normal/reasonable prices, and let you *choose* which kind of anesthesia you want . Both will do the job, but the mask one is safer (and more expensive) than the injection. Pretty good vet and certainly not taking the piss, methinks.
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Very interesting, but let me tell you my story. I had GSD all my life and each one is very different, just like people. Now I have 4. One of them is a male nearly 5 years old and he never needed any training. He knows everything and understands better than my wife.He guards the house, goes on patrol around the garden, walks perfectly on the lead, always comes, even when he is busy,never bites, and teaching pupies how to behave. He is just amazing and understands everything you tell him.
Your post makes me miss my GSD's: RIP Daika, Alex, Joshka, Jenny, Stormy, Kasper. :'(
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I don't think you'll have much problems getting this done, most Thai vets are OK, in point of fact I think I'd rather trust my local vet to 'open me up' than many of the local hospital doc's.
Since she's 5 or 6 yo it'll be easy. In my experience of getting animal's spayed here in Thailand the only issue is a reluctance to do it until after their first heat. I have always had them spayed at around 12-16 weeks which is now the normal in the US
You raise an interesting point there and I was wondering whether I should ask people's opinion on it. The vet I've been using seems to know his stuff and he's conveniently located for my house and reasonably priced. But he's a one-man practice and I'm not sure if he's capable of doing fairly major surgery like spaying an older bitch. Also, I read that after the operation the dog should be kept under observation overnight and I doubt if he's set up to do that either.
Somewhat less conveniently located for me and rather exorbitantly priced I am told is the premier pet clinic in Pattaya, Muang Ake. I'm sure this place would be able to do the surgery and aftercare, but probably at two or three times the price of my usual vet. Plus I'm one of those people who feels loyalty to someone who has done good work for them in the past, and I'd feel like I was letting the side down going to another vet. OTOH I don't really mind paying the extra money if it ensures the best and safest result for the dog.
Does anybody have any opinions on this matter, can a one-man vet practice safely spay an older bitch?
Spaying and neutering at an early age may be normal' now in the States, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's good for the dog, as the latest research supports.
The reproductive hormones are quite important for the growth.
Castration before the dog is physically and mentally matured can give an increased chance on bone-deformation (such as HD in Golden's), increased chance on osteo-sarcoma, increased chance on hypothyroidism, increased chance in incontinence in bitches later in their lives, increased chance in aggression towards other dogs in confident bitches, etc.
I suggest you read this, including the links that are added: http://www.luckydogs.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Web_-_Spaying_or_neutering_-_Pro_s_and_Con_s.pdf
As for having the dog spayed at a one-man's clinic, I have no problem with that as long as the vet is skilled.
Since we moved further out of Chiang Mai I hardly visit my regular vet anymore. They are plain too far now. Closeby, there is a one woman's vet with her (assistant)partner who has extensive practical experience. And I've been there several times already, including spaying of a bitch.
Here it is common practice that the owner brings his/her pet in the early morning, no food and water since midnight. Then later in the morning the operation occurs. The owner is called once the animal is up and about again, usually a couple of hours after surgery. During that time the vet checks for possible complications.
So Guderian, if you comfortable with your own vet and think he's skilled enough, then i suggest to bring your dog there.
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Rough Costs For The Rabies Vacination And Blood Work - For Moving Pets To Europe?
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Is it possible to have a pet's blood tested for Rabies antibodies in Thailand? (just for understanding the level of Rabies antibodies in the blood, but not with the intention of sending the pet abroad)
If possible, where and how much?
I asked this question at the Animal Hospital the other day and the veterinarian could not answer straight away, but had to ask.