Jen65

you have not mentioned whether you own or rent property .  Is your husband retired ,working and /or have financial means to support you adequately if you were left on your own . Your financial status may affect a proposal to alleviate your situation of being forced to leave .  

If you own property ,put in joint names ,  put necessary money in the bank for a retirement visa then your husband makes a Will and leaves all to you .  

Strikes me like "monk" ey business !

On 8/18/2022 at 5:02 PM, scorecard said:

Hey slow down a little.

 

Every embassy is different, some embassies encourage citizens of their country to contact the embassy in Bkk and record some personal details and who should be advised when that foreigner passes away. 

 

Also some embassies (e.g. Australia), when they are processing a passport renewal ask for the name of a contact person in Thailand (from same country) who they contact when they're received advice from the Thai Police that the foreigner has passed away.

 

They ask the contact person if he/she is aware of a will and if the contact person has a copy of the will and they ask if the contact person will share a copy.

 

Why: they are hoping that any will available might help to establish who should be informed of the death in the home country. The Aust. embassy in Bkk doesn't involve itself in any way with what's in the will re distbursement of assets etc., and they will refuse to give any advice on this point. 

 

In the case of Australian the Bkk Embassy call the contact person on record and if that doesn't bring details of whether there is a will or a copy of the will, they ask the contact person to advise them who to contact in the home country. 

 

In the case of Australia the Bkk embassy is required by Aust. law to automatically and promptly contact 'Centrelink' in Australia (Aust. Gov't department which handles pensions and other payments/benfits), and they take quick action to stop further payments.

Lucky you ,as an Australian and yes, some Embassies ( very few) get involved in doing anything when their citizens die abroad except issuing the required death certificate .   The British Embassy here has nothing to do with issuing passports except in emergency .They are done by the HMPO however there is , on the back page of ones passport the facility to inform whom is ones next of kin.    They obviously record the death and will likely help if there is no next of kin .   

However , this article refers to "when a foreigner dies in Thailand "  and although you as an Australian may have a large presence and thus larger Embassy and resources here , many other nationalities are not so so lucky with some having hardly any representation at all .      

On 8/17/2022 at 9:52 AM, scorecard said:

My understanding is that when an embassy is informed of a death they urgently look for 2 things in unison:

 

- Is there a valid will, and get a copy to check for the wishes of the departed.

 

- Instructions, from the deceased as to who should be promptly informed (in home country and in LOS), and if no other party had validly agreed to informed those listed then the embassy will undertake to have those listed promptly informed.

 

How does the embassy get instructions from the deceased ??    I wouldn't rely on an Embassy doing much in the way of assistance apart from supplying the requisite Death Certificate ( get quite a few of those ! ) Much better to assign ones Lawyer to be the Executor of ones Estate and to Execute the Will ( as long as one has been made) and ensure they have all the necessary information on file to do so .   The lawyer should be aware of any other Wills made and specific to assets in other countries .    Having a Lawyer deal with this avoids the input of supposed girlfriends / family / other parties  arguing over who gets what !!        

4 hours ago, Tropicalevo said:

Thailand is in anyone's pocket when it suits them and if there is money to be made by those in power.

Thailand is a 2 horse jockey -  it will always change horses to the one who it thinks offers the most in kickbacks .  You have to look at the Authoritarian / Communist governments in the region and it seems Thailand is set on joining that circle . They are already buying Chinese Submarines so no way should the US supply anything with advanced technology . 

2 hours ago, Kerryd said:

The process is pretty straight forward and doesn't require a multi-part story.

From personal experience (when my father died here in 2010).

Dad was in the hospital (age 77 - late stage lung cancer) when he died.
No need for autopsy. (If the cause of death is known, they don't need to do an autopsy.)

Assuming you are the next of kin/legal guardian.

1. Hospital issues Death Certificate. (Body taken to the morgue.)
2. Death Certificate has to be take to City Hall (to be authenticated or something).
3. Death Certificate and passport of the deceased taken to national Embassy. (Passport is cancelled. Get Death Certificate translated and notarized copies made.)
4. Embassy issues Letter authorizing disposal of the body.
5. With copies of the Death Certificate and Letter from the Embassy, make an appointment at whichever temple you like for a cremation ceremony. 
6. Make arrangements to move the body from the morgue to the temple on the appropriate day. 

Notes:
* The Embassy should try to contact next of kin if possible. If you are the next of kin, you need that letter from the Embassy authorizing you to dispose of the body, either locally (in Thailand) or transported back home (at your expense of course).
* You HAVE to have that Letter authorizing you to dispose of the body. The temple can't do a cremation without it.
* Cremation ceremonies can be one day affairs up to 5 days. But if the body has been in the morgue for a few days, they will want to do a "one and done" ceremony.
* You will be expected to dispose of the ashes the morning after the cremation.

That's pretty much it as far as Thailand is concerned.

Many foreigners won't have a Last Will and Testament which will muck things up a lot. Normally in Thailand, you have to wait 45 days before you can go to court to have the Will probated (read and approved by a judge).
(Got to have time for people, including any possible family members and/or creditors to lay claim to the assets.)

You can't dispose of any of the deceased's assets before then.

Which means someone has to pay for the cremation and (presumably) storage of personal effects.

I was the heir and only relative when my dad died. I paid for everything of course. Due to work issues, it was nearly 3 months before I could get back and go to court to have the Will probated (Dad did have a Will in Thailand and one in Canada as well).

I had to make a trip "home" later that year to notify the various gov't agencies (hence the need for the notarized copies of the translation of the Death Certificate) and to get his (Canadian) Will probated.

Most of that won't apply here though, as I doubt too many "bar stool buddies" are going to put much (if any) effort into settling someone's affairs (and paying out a wad of cash in the process).

Final Note - If you die in Thailand and don't have a Will, your relatives (if any) are screwed. Basically, the "gov't" (City Hall presumably) would take control of any personal effects and, if no claims are made against the estate, dispose of them after a period of 7 years.

A friend of mine died some years ago. Old Vietnam Vet. He actually travelled back the USA after he got sick and died there.
But he left assets in Thailand, including vehicles and money in the bank. No one could touch any of it because he didn't have a Will. Even his sister in the USA. 
She could have flown here and petitioned the court and maybe they would have given her his stuff but apparently she didn't want to make the trip or something.
So what will happen is that, after a period of time, his bank account will go "dormant" and after about 7 years, they will close it. I'm guessing any assets he had will have long since disappeared.

What if a foreigner dies and there's no one to do anything ?
Basically, the body would be taken to the hospital for an autopsy.
The Embassy would be notified. The body would stay in the morgue.
If the Embassy can't find any relatives, they would be expected to authorize the disposal of the body.
(I'm guessing City Hall would then make the arrangements with a temple for a "pauper's" cremation and the temple staff would dispose of the ashes.)
As to the person's assets, who knows ? Probably gone to whoever got there first.

By rights, any money in the bank would stay there until 7 years have passed. Then the account would be closed and the money (in theory) transferred to the (Federal) government.

If it is a friend of yours, you can go the "e-beggar" route, set up a GoFundMe and try to cash in (by claiming you need the money to settle his affairs and pay for his funeral).

(A few years ago some "Youtube" guy that was worth a bit of money died in Thailand. His relatives didn't want to spend their own money so they set up a GoFundMe with a ridiculous amount, like $100,000 US, to travel to Thailand to get the body and fly it home. I'm guessing after they spent a couple weeks in 5 star hotels and flying back and forth on chartered jets.)
 

very useful and informative post.    It does help if one resides in Thailand and has next of kin/wife/girlfriend and has assets (local and overseas) whatever and , if one has a WILL ,  to make a sealed letter (the place known to your next of kin )  listing your assets , bank account details ,  the place where your original Will can be found ( Lawyer / Land Office ) , contact details of whom needs to be informed ( ie financial adviser / lawyer / overseas next of kin etc )  . The WILL may state what type of funeral to be had or if body to be flown back overseas and also anything specific about the ashes . This should be consulted  at the earliest .   

On 8/11/2022 at 7:20 PM, overherebc said:

A definite maybe.

looks a yes, with Chinese Engines !

21 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do also think that she deserves a fair trail .

  From the given evidence , she murdered a person without reason . 

Revenge for being told to leave a property or revenge for your partner finishing the relationship or revenge because he hit you , isn't a legal reason to kill someone 

Quite likely she wasn't in "reasonable state of mind " when she carried out the shooting , being consumed with anger . He may have been psychopath !   Lots we really don't know about what lead up to this killing or "murder" .

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

What do monkeys have to do with F 35s? . . . Never mind.

Monkey business 

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Those are just her allegations that he was violent towards her .

May or may not be true . 

  Being angry because your partner asked you to leave their property , doesn't give you the right to murder them .

  You can not  kill people just because they finish the relationship with you .

  She is a murderer and deserves a life sentence in jail for taking another persons life 

Well, that's your point of view and I think she deserves a fair trial where no doubt the full facts and history of the case will be disclosed and for the Judge to decide on the appropriate sentence , not us .   

On 8/10/2022 at 12:22 PM, BKKTRAVELER said:

I never understood people who don't wear their seat belt. It doesn't cost anything to do so and can potentially save your life. Especially in a country as dangerous as Thailand on the roads... Whatever vehicle I get in, that's the first thing I do as a reflex.

I remember the old saying "clunk click every trip "  !!

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The deceased Man had asked the Woman to leave his house , he made her leave his house , she came back and murdered him .

   She had no reason to ever visit or see him again, but she went back and killed him .

  She is a murderer . 

Seems like she worked at the store where he also worked ? as proprietor ?  don't know.   So he kicked her out on the street after beating her and abusing her for 4 years !   Wouldn't you be angry ??   You stated he had asked "the woman" to leave his house ! She wasn't just a woman but his partner of 4 or more years !   She got her revenge and carried out the "dare" , much to his disadvantage .

one should consider the other side of the story where Thai girls/wives find themselves in abusive relationships - maybe the male half turned to drink/drugs or had unknown abusive traits before the marriage / relationship and it is usually the female who comes off worst - jealousy or otherwise .  There does not seem to be a happy medium in Thai relationships where the parties can sit down and discuss their grievances and either come to an amicable solution or seek help .  Here,  it appears everything is either fine and loving at one end or the other extreme end where the male half (usually) loses it and becomes violent - out comes the gun or machete ! 

I can hardly blame the female in these cases where she was stuck in a stormy relationship and beaten regularly . At least she knows he can't now inflict any more pain or come after her at a later date if she had tried leaving him .

I hope any Judge is sympathetic to her plight .   

Another Grenfell in the making ?

It was stated some electrical work had been carried out just previous ??   I wonder whom made these works - proper competent person or an amateur ??  That may well have contributed to the short circuit .

As far as I understand , the regulations require an RCD on all new electrical installations but on older installations or ones done by an amateur , the absence of such can prove disastrous and/or fatal .   I wonder if one was fitted which could have mitigated the short circuit and consequential fire/explosions ??

On 7/29/2022 at 6:17 PM, Jingthing said:

Really?

 

My information says that the change will allow foreign same sex couples to apply JOINTLY for retirement and marriage extensions.

 

That would be a <deleted>' big deal.

 

 

to be valid then foreign same sex couples would have to produce internationally recognised marriage or civil partnership documents for immigration in order for consideration of the retirement / marriage extensions . This immediately poses the problem of how ones legal civil partner is able to initially enter Thailand if say one partner is retired but the other below retirement age ?  Lots of issues here to resolve and be confirmed before embarking on such proposals    

48 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Why does a same foreign sex couple need to register in Thailand anyway, for what reason ???

totally agree , what's the point unless there is some amendment to allow same sex foreign couples to live/stay in Thailand on the equivalent basis as married couples .

On 7/26/2022 at 9:45 AM, JimGant said:

When the TGIA insurance mafia realized that the requirement to have Thai medical insurance would probably not extend to retirees here on Non Imm O visas -- they had to increase premiums tenfold for those of us here on Non Im O-A visa extensions. These guys must be laughing all the way to  the Mercedes dealers.

When I investigated and compared insurance quotes to renew O-A medical insurance under the new requirements ,I obtained quotes for both Pacific Cross International ( outside Thailand ) as well as the local / domestic Pacific Cross whom I have been with from the start .  The International Plan was considerably more that the domestic one !!  

Medical Insurance for anyone over 70 is never going to be cheap and the same policies in Europe/rest of world  are just as expensive if not more .   One has to bite the bullet and either self insure or take the best policy offered (after checking the small print ) but to have no insurance is foolhardy .

On 7/23/2022 at 2:18 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

1) The insurance coverage of the first visa application and extension – originally indicated that the amount of coverage in the case of out-patients shall not less than 40,000 THB and in-patients shall not less than 400,000 THB – is changed into having health insurance or social welfare covering all medical expenses including the ones for COVID-19 with the coverage of not less than 100,000 USD (3 million THB).

you are correct . unfortunately your original post with extract of insurance quotes did not state/show they were applicable to the new requirements or just an extract from the then current or old requirements .  

On 7/23/2022 at 11:52 PM, arithai12 said:

You state that you need one week... amazing, but perhaps you want to share what city and branch?

I have since years a BKB 800k fixed deposit for retirement extensions, it takes no longer than 5 minutes to get the letter duly stamped, Immigration always happy with it. Chiang Mai.

same here in Pattaya . Foreign currency deposit account ( equivalent of 800,000 baht ) letter done in 5 minutes !  

5 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Here’s the table from LMG for OA health insurance.

I think you will find that that does not include a) outpatient and b) Covid insurance .I will be surprised if it does !

1 hour ago, malt25 said:

I'd also like to know. My original post relates to making a "will". Who I wish to receive my assets & finances. I'll include my wishes re what happens to my remains. Advice appreciated.

Two totally different Wills .  Living Will makes it clear whom will make decisions , have access to money on your behalf when you are deemed incapable of making those decisions yourself ( ie if hospitalised and in a coma ).

So a "Living Will" is one that applies whilst you are still alive .

The normal "Last Will and Testament " applies after your death .