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As EV's get older, I wouldn't be surprised to see ICE vehicles being driven by luddites.

Those stats are available for ICE cars... The 12 Most Shocking Car Fire Statistics There were 212,500 vehicle fires in 2018. The number of vehicle fires went up slightly between 2018 and 2019. Older vehicles are the most likely to catch on fire. The national average is one fire per 19 million miles driven. Vehicle file fires have fallen by more than 80% since 1980. Passenger vehicles had the most fires. Highway fires are the most common between 3:00 and 6:00 PM. 1988 was the worst year for highway vehicle fires on record. In 2018, vehicle fires resulted in 560 deaths. Vehicle fires cause more deaths than apartment fires. Most casualties involving vehicle fires are male. Collisions are the leading cause of vehicle fires resulting in death. More than 3/4 of vehicle fires begin in older cars due to a mechanical malfunction or an electrical problem. Unfortunately, the fires don’t start because of poor design, but because parts wear out and deteriorate, so it’s essential to have your car inspected regularly, especially the wiring, as the car ages. In 2017, 70% of the cars to catch fire were more than 10 years old. Currently, the national average is one fire per 19 million miles driven; however, some car models hold up better than others, so you might want to do extra research before purchasing something new. For instance, Tesla has released data from 2012 to 2020 that reveals its cars have a fire every 205 million miles, proving that they are more than 10 times less likely to catch fire than the average vehicle. Collisions are the leading cause of vehicle fires resulting in death. (National Fire Protection Association) Most deaths associated with vehicle fires occur after a collision. The accident often causes gasoline and other combustible materials to leak over the roadway. Heat and sparks then ignite these materials, causing the fire. source: 12 Car Fire Statistics (2023 Update) | House Grail

How about by colour too? There are 2 types of fire, fuel system and electrical. We can postulate that diesel is likely to be safer as it's less inflammable and Petrol & Gas are likely to have higher figures. But let's be realistic. If you don't like the figures posted (which are government figures) then the onus is on you to find the figures you want, i.e. by fuel type, by age etc.

I think a lot less than that, maybe every 15 months. You need to allow for new registrations, they are selling like hot cakes.

Hybrid batteries vary in size from 1KwHr (small HEV) to 35KwHr (large PHEV), mostly they are small. My Mercedes E350e I think was 6.2KwHr.

Bignok thinks “It can’t be me that’s wrong, it must be everybody else” I think Psychiatrists have a term for that…

Seconded

Who said I googled it? When you assume... (cue: old joke ASS U ME). I volunteered one day per week in the legal sector, that's where I learned this, the age of the younger sexual partner makes a difference in the description of the accused. Also, there's a movie called Gerontophilia (2013) that I watched a few years back.

As I said before, your Porsche Taycan photos does negate the claims in the article I posted.

Not really, I can't help being educated. you should try it some time.

Nonsense, you are incredibly ill informed. These other names as you call them are well defined legal & descriptive terms and define age & sexual attraction.

I can only post as I find, the article posted says that whilst the cause of the fire is unknown, it was not caused by an EV. That doesn't undermine my post. What does undermine it is the link posted by "in the jungle" which cleary shows burned Porsche Taycan's. Until June this year, I owned a Taycan for 2 years and I can confirm those cars are indeed Porsche Taycans. My Taycan never caught fire.

That’s a good example. It wasn’t caused by an EV fire. After the fire on the car cargo ship off the Dutch coast, the media hastily identified an electric car as the cause. Now it turns out – that this is not true. Even though the cause of the fire is still unknown, the EV theory no longer holds up after the freighter was inspected. The lower four of the twelve decks are essentially undamaged, and about 1,000 cars, including the 498 electric ones, are in good condition. This is according to the chief of salvage company Royal Boskalis Westminster NV, Peter Berdowski. According to the head of the salvage company, the four uppermost decks, on which there were no electric cars, are so damaged that it is hard to walk on them and that the vehicles there (again, no EVs!) are literally fused to the ground. The affected carmakers are now investigating how their vehicles can be moved. Source electrive.com

There is a tiny outfit in North Macedonia, Veda or Vedaing I think they are called. They are an outlier and claim that ice vehicles have less fires than EV’s, but the kicker is that their main business is in selling fire suppression systems for lithium iron battery applications and unsurprisingly they post no details on where they get their results from.

Okay, I will, should that unlikely event ever arise.

Yes, you’re right, there are reports that EV’s go up in flames about 10 times less often than ICE vehicles (comparing like for like).

I doubt the China made EV stats are available yet, and if the stats came out of China they would be meaningless

Yada yada yada broken record Transman?

Petrol car fires About 9,060,000 results (0.47 seconds)

Oh yes you did!

Driving while fully loaded is against the law.

Transam said he couldn't wait for you to arrive & say that.

Let me translate that to English for you "I don't like those inconvenient stats, please provide stats that don't exist yet"

I was neither responding in the affirmative or the negative, but adding more facts to the context. I suspect you would argue black is white, it seems to be in your nature to be a contrairian. You do like your emojis, each to his own.

Incorrect, it can be answered by a Yes or No, but it doesn’t have to be. Especially if it’s being spun to insinuate an incorrect conclusion.