JBChiangRai

I don't have stats for how many fires resulted in the vehicle being written off 1 Wiring Faults, this is one of the "leading causes of car fires" that was the title of the article so clearly people DID NOT discover them. 2 Igniting dry leaves is the car catching fire if it spreads to the car (no hot exhaust on an EV) 3 Most cars do not have after run cooling for the engine oil quoted in the article, most oil pumps are mechanically driven from the crankshaft, if there is any cooling it's from the electric radiator fan, which one can postulate would fan the flames. 4 I agree relevant, but still a leading cause of parked car fires.

Many of us running EV's have solar power to charge them. There were no green virtue signaling reasons that I bought EV's, it was down to running cost and superior driving experience.

I remember the golf cart fires being reported when it happened, the original article did say it had Lithium batteries, I am not sure how true it is. The fire could have been caused by a short circuit in the 220v supply, we don't know what caused it.

Two issues with that, firstly, the average mileage done by a passenger car in Thailand is almost 12,000 per year (11,936 source: f (atransociety.com) And secondly, you are assuming BYD will sell no more Atto 3 when actually the sales volume is accelerating, within your 3.3 years there will probably be 4-5 times that number of Atto 3's on the road. Let's say, the average is 3 times the number of cars you quoted and the mileage is 50% more, there should be one fire approximately every 8 months.

I can't see any evidence it was the batteries that caught fire. It did say the firefighters carefully removed the batteries to prevent fire.

I don't have the stats, but it's actually quite common, here's an article Causes of a parked car fire (leamastech.com) Common causes of parked car fire 1. Wiring fault Electrical cables that are exposed can have contact with each other, create a short circuit (bridge) and cause fire. This is more likely when cables of opposite charge (+ve and -ve) bridge together. They heat up immediately and begin to burn. 2. Hot exhaust An exhaust that is very hot and close to the ground can ignite dry leafs or papers. The probability of exhaust causing fire is higher when the catalytic converter is blocked. A blocked catalytic converter can glow red hot and have very high temperature that can easily ignite papers and leafs. 3. Engine oil leakage Engine oil on a very hot engine is a recipe for fire disaster especially if the oil is diluted with fuel. When a car is parked after being driven, it does not get the continuous cooling from the cooling system and after a while, the engine becomes very hot. This is why some vehicles have after-run cooling function such that after the engine has been turned off, the cooling fan still runs and the coolant still circulate for few minutes. 4. Sabotage This is when someone deliberately sets fire on the car with the intention to punish or harm the car owner. Cases like this have been heard in the past and are still possibly happening.

Are you sure? I have never heard that, the car is what controls the charging rate by two-way communication with the CS.

Coming from the UK, the only major differences I found were that most Thai's rarely see roundabouts and despite white stop lines being painted on the exit, local customs tend to apply. And more importantly, if you are driving down a road and turning right into a side road, any traffic waiting in that side road to turn right in front of you has right of way, it's completely the opposite in the UK.

Developing cannabis use disorder is relatively common in Washington state, one of the first states to fully legalize cannabis, and can even occur in people who only use medical marijuana, according to a new study. Many Americans wrongly believe exposure to marijuana smoke is safer than tobacco, study finds “There’s a perception that people who are using marijuana for medical reasons have a lower risk of a cannabis use disorder,” said lead author Gwen Lapham, assistant professor at Kaiser Permanente Bernard J. Tyson School of Medicine. To have cannabis use disorder, or CUD, a person must have two or more of such symptoms as craving weed, becoming tolerant, using more than intended, using marijuana even though it causes problems in life, using it in high-risk situations, experiencing withdrawal and being unable to quit, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Full article here: Cannabis use disorder is common in one state where marijuana is legal | CNN

Or they aren't. Stats?

As EV's get older, I wouldn't be surprised to see ICE vehicles being driven by luddites.

Those stats are available for ICE cars... The 12 Most Shocking Car Fire Statistics There were 212,500 vehicle fires in 2018. The number of vehicle fires went up slightly between 2018 and 2019. Older vehicles are the most likely to catch on fire. The national average is one fire per 19 million miles driven. Vehicle file fires have fallen by more than 80% since 1980. Passenger vehicles had the most fires. Highway fires are the most common between 3:00 and 6:00 PM. 1988 was the worst year for highway vehicle fires on record. In 2018, vehicle fires resulted in 560 deaths. Vehicle fires cause more deaths than apartment fires. Most casualties involving vehicle fires are male. Collisions are the leading cause of vehicle fires resulting in death. More than 3/4 of vehicle fires begin in older cars due to a mechanical malfunction or an electrical problem. Unfortunately, the fires don’t start because of poor design, but because parts wear out and deteriorate, so it’s essential to have your car inspected regularly, especially the wiring, as the car ages. In 2017, 70% of the cars to catch fire were more than 10 years old. Currently, the national average is one fire per 19 million miles driven; however, some car models hold up better than others, so you might want to do extra research before purchasing something new. For instance, Tesla has released data from 2012 to 2020 that reveals its cars have a fire every 205 million miles, proving that they are more than 10 times less likely to catch fire than the average vehicle. Collisions are the leading cause of vehicle fires resulting in death. (National Fire Protection Association) Most deaths associated with vehicle fires occur after a collision. The accident often causes gasoline and other combustible materials to leak over the roadway. Heat and sparks then ignite these materials, causing the fire. source: 12 Car Fire Statistics (2023 Update) | House Grail

How about by colour too? There are 2 types of fire, fuel system and electrical. We can postulate that diesel is likely to be safer as it's less inflammable and Petrol & Gas are likely to have higher figures. But let's be realistic. If you don't like the figures posted (which are government figures) then the onus is on you to find the figures you want, i.e. by fuel type, by age etc.

I think a lot less than that, maybe every 15 months. You need to allow for new registrations, they are selling like hot cakes.

Hybrid batteries vary in size from 1KwHr (small HEV) to 35KwHr (large PHEV), mostly they are small. My Mercedes E350e I think was 6.2KwHr.

Bignok thinks “It can’t be me that’s wrong, it must be everybody else” I think Psychiatrists have a term for that…

Seconded

Who said I googled it? When you assume... (cue: old joke ASS U ME). I volunteered one day per week in the legal sector, that's where I learned this, the age of the younger sexual partner makes a difference in the description of the accused. Also, there's a movie called Gerontophilia (2013) that I watched a few years back.

As I said before, your Porsche Taycan photos does negate the claims in the article I posted.

Not really, I can't help being educated. you should try it some time.

Nonsense, you are incredibly ill informed. These other names as you call them are well defined legal & descriptive terms and define age & sexual attraction.

I can only post as I find, the article posted says that whilst the cause of the fire is unknown, it was not caused by an EV. That doesn't undermine my post. What does undermine it is the link posted by "in the jungle" which cleary shows burned Porsche Taycan's. Until June this year, I owned a Taycan for 2 years and I can confirm those cars are indeed Porsche Taycans. My Taycan never caught fire.

That’s a good example. It wasn’t caused by an EV fire. After the fire on the car cargo ship off the Dutch coast, the media hastily identified an electric car as the cause. Now it turns out – that this is not true. Even though the cause of the fire is still unknown, the EV theory no longer holds up after the freighter was inspected. The lower four of the twelve decks are essentially undamaged, and about 1,000 cars, including the 498 electric ones, are in good condition. This is according to the chief of salvage company Royal Boskalis Westminster NV, Peter Berdowski. According to the head of the salvage company, the four uppermost decks, on which there were no electric cars, are so damaged that it is hard to walk on them and that the vehicles there (again, no EVs!) are literally fused to the ground. The affected carmakers are now investigating how their vehicles can be moved. Source electrive.com

There is a tiny outfit in North Macedonia, Veda or Vedaing I think they are called. They are an outlier and claim that ice vehicles have less fires than EV’s, but the kicker is that their main business is in selling fire suppression systems for lithium iron battery applications and unsurprisingly they post no details on where they get their results from.

Okay, I will, should that unlikely event ever arise.