Chomper Higgot

28 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

 

Well, that’s because most of them fully support the hate preaching, segregated communities, any, and all antisemitism, the subjugation of all women, the persecution of all gays, fathers slaughtering their adolescent daughters under their rather quaint justification of ‘honour killing’ and not forgetting their support for the female genital mutilation of ten your old children … there are many other reasons, but there’s just a few for you to be getting on with.

 

 

That’s a rather categorical claim.

I’m sure you can back it up? 

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why don't Muslim councillors and politicians openly campaign on eradicating Islamists and hate preaching in the UK? That would be more visible to the UK public, and might convince the public that ordinary Muslims are serious about dealing with these problems. 

 

They won't campaign on these things though for fear of losing Muslim voters, and possibly fear of losing their lives. 

 

What you provided doesn't reach the masses. 

 

 

Well it clearly doesn’t reach you.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Says the supporter of terrorists......🥴

A libelous flaming slur.

9 hours ago, proton said:

The unspeakable praising the indefensible, all Islamic terror is based on hate, not injustice.

I don’t know anyone that disagrees with that.

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

You don't consider Hamas and Al Qaeda to be scumbags? To suggest so is a slur?

 

I can't say I'm surprised. 

 

Another slur.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Me discussing the article for the 2nd time, 2 posts discussing it.

 

"a George Town Uni piece that quotes a 15 year old opinion piece Guardian article from an old friend of Murray who used to work with him  to base your claim of Murray being Islamophobic. Righty-o"

 

you claiming I never discussed it:

 

You’ve not addressed anything the article had to say.

 

Did I discuss it?

Moving the golf post Brian.

I repeat.

You have not discussed anything the article says.

I’ve underlined that a number times with the intent you don’t miss the point.

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Which quotes exactly are you referring to as it depends on if its their opinion or fact

There’s a whole article full, you are not short of choices.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why don't you tell us what it says that supports your claim? Oh, that's right, I forgot, you don't actually read anything...

The whole article supports my claim 

Why don’t you try and refute the statements it makes?

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Ooh sorry! One from Germany, and there's one from Belgium too! Wow.

 

Most are from the USA and most are from 2014. None feature top muslim leaders loudly and openly condemning terror through national media.

I suggest you read through a few more of the links the article references.

And did you miss this:

Although large news networks seldom carry these Muslim voices of peace, a simple search will turn up all manner of condemnations of those whose actions tarnish the image and teachings of Islam. 

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

In the UK local elections we had Muslim councillors campaigning (and some winning) on a ticket of supporting Palestine. 

I don't recall any Muslim councillors campaigning to rid UK towns and cities of Islamic radicalisation, Islamic violence and hate preaching Imams. 

 

I think if more of them did that it could sway public opinion. Why don't they do that? I think I know why.  

You need to read a bit more about Muslims and Muslim leaders in the UK working to combat Islamists.

https://mcb.org.uk/resources/muslims-against-terrorism/

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your claim:

 

I know you'd prefer that to go away but its not. Its a lie.

 

Your other claim:

 

Prove it.

I’ve provided link to an article with ample evidence.

Once again you resort to the inflammatory accusation of lying.

Just now, nauseus said:

 

But still not nearly radical enough to go round whirling a blade at people's necks.

No, but inciting hatred does frequently end in tragic consequences.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your claim, prove it, the opinion piece from 15 years ago has not and why lie about me not addressing something from the article? If you can't hold an honest debate what hope is there.

 

 

 

 

Again you resort to a baseless accusation of lying.

You have not addressed anything the linked article said. 

Baselessly accusing others of lying is not discussion, it’s blatant baiting.

2 minutes ago, GarryP said:

And what some take as a negative (Brandon and Chomper), I take as a positive. Hence, my earlier quote from that opinion piece. I do not believe that Murray representing Muslims as a collective threat is wrong, in so far as it is not possible to filter out the extremists. 

Precisely the gross pejorative generalization of which I spoke earlier.

It plays well to some.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Make your mind up, (my highlight)

 

Stop lying, that's exactly what I did

You picked on the date of one referenced article, which is well short of addressing anything the article had to say.

Your resort to a baseless accusation of lying is noted.

1 minute ago, GarryP said:

Rather selective there. Flyguy 330 did also state "They previously stuck to educating the ignorant on the truth about Islam using the Islamic texts to illustrate the insanity of that cult.", i.e. he is against islam. And his being against islam will not be changed by Murray acting like a zionist. In other words, action still needs to be taken to stop islamic/cultural extremism in Europe. 

 

 

Not the point I was making.

Murray has become more radicalized than he already was.

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually you are wrong again, I addressed the 15 year old opinion piece from it.....lol

 

There is nothing there that proves your claims so you deflect to another member.

It only proves evidence that you don’t want to admit exists has been around for at least 15 years.

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Now he'll post another link to an article he hasn't read and pretend that he's proven it. It's all he ever does. 

I at least don’t rely on personal attacks.

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh right - o 

 

You made a claim. Prove it.

I have provide a link to an article with substantial evidence.

You’ve not addressed anything the article had to say.

Moreover, I’m not the only one who has concerns over Murray’s drift into the rabid, Flyguy330 had this to say earlier:

“I always liked Murray's Youtube videos and writings on Islam. But since the Gaza campaign kicked off he's been acting like a rabid zionist and I've lost all interest in him.”

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Article? Just a list of old local stories from small groups in the USA, mainly about just two events.

 

The OP concerns Europe. Objection overruled. 

Welcome back.

But wrong again.

Just one of the links from the article I linked to:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/germany-muslims-islamic-state_n_5852342

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

You're not listening as usual. Bye.

I listened, spotted the error in your statement and pointed it out with reference to the article I linked.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea expect no more from you than that. You refer to a George Town Uni piece that quotes a 15 year old opinion piece Guardian article from an old friend of Murray who used to work with him  to base your claim of Murray being Islamophobic. Righty-o

You still haven’t challenged any of the quotes in the article.

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

New? Mostly to me, but why? These voices are welcome but mainly local and without much individual power or range. 

 

The top guys need to condemn any violence or bad acts, loudly and clearly on national media. They should be demonstrating in numbers at least as large as these at pro Palestinian marches.

 

The article I linked provides numerous examples of Muslim leaders condemning Islamist terror groups and their violence.

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

An opinion is not a fact. Especially when Murray has not been given a voice to respond.

 

 

 

Righty-o.