Chomper Higgot

This is an improvement, you’ve given up on anecdote and switched to wanting to see data. Given that my comment was observations on why anecdote is not a credible line of argument I regard this as an improvement: Thailand’s Ministry of Public Health publishes the data you now wish to see: https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=analysis-province

1. There’s no such thing as ‘COVID Prison. 2. I’ve already made my comments on the probability of a single individual having close relationships with two people, one who reportedly died as a result of an AZ vaccine (very rare event) and another who was hospitalized as a result of an AZ vaccine (rare event). Mathematically: P(very rare)|P(rare) = Extremely rare, or if you wish, highly unlikely. Apart from the probabilistic question, these reports suffer the same problems as I discussed in my last post, they are unverifiable.

I haven’t objected to what others wish to discuss, I’ve simply pointed out the problem with unverifiable ‘anecdote’ as a line of argument. It becomes even more problematic when the prior expressed views of the person sharing their ‘anecdotes’ are considered.

The ‘I don’t know anyone who has had/has died of COVID’ are meaningless, worse there is no way of verifying their veracity. Not to worry national disease control offices have been collecting data. Since the late 19th Century data has been used to demonstrate the extent, spread and causes of disease very often in the face of wide held objections based on personal experiences/lack of experience and anecdote. You say you don’t know anyone who has had COVID or died of it, maybe you don’t but that does not change the real data one jot. We’ll go with the data and ignore the unverifiable anecdotes.

It’s not strange logic at all and it’s not an equivalence. Nor, as has been brought to our attention, are the COVID deaths included in the graph. How about addressing that?!

You are making a false equivalence. The death rates are attributable to causes, without including the causes the comparison is meaningless. For example: Wars and famines kill huge numbers of people but they do in local ares not globally. A war in Iraq or a famine in Africa is not a threat to anyone living in Nakhon Nowhere.

You are making a strawman argument, nobody is claiming the COVID vaccines are a 100% protection, these vaccines provide a significant reduction in risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID. So yes do look at the stats, vaccinated people are far less likely to become seriously ill, hospitalized or die. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/580770-unvaccinated-20-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-texas-study

Please provide a link to verify these two claims: In vitro evidence of DNA damage - link now please. Prediction if 25% increase in heart damage - link now please. You say you follow these studies so now deliver the links..

And the corresponding hospitalizations/deaths are?

Flounce

But serious illness, hospitalizations and deaths are almost entirely visited upon the unvaccinated.

The vaccine mutated therefore the medical advice changed with the corresponding new data: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-walensky-clips-idUSL1N2PX1IZ The real lies, the lies that cost lives happened over a year earlier.

OK, I’ll bite, explain the point you wish to make.

Despite attacks from all quarters of the anti-science, anti-vaccine extremists Dr Faucci’s reputation remains intact. Let him be judged by who are his enemies.

What else in life do you believe is perfect? You were lied to, but not by the scientists and medical professionals.

Your ‘strawman’ argI’m ent is the very same logical fallacy exposed by Voltaire ‘Perfect is the enemy of good’ and so very well expressed by Watson-Watt: Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a "cult of the imperfect", which he stated as "Give them the third best to go on with; the second best comes too late, the best never comes." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good That the Polio vaccines was near perfect is not an argument against the safe and effective COVID vaccines.

1. Please do not truncate my posts when quoting me, is especially when you respond with ‘I won’t deny all of that’. 2. Dreaming up future side effects without any evidence of such side effects existing falls squarely into the false claims/misinformation/scare mongering that is so characteristic of anti-vaccine arguments. 3. Your imagined side effects are skewing your calculation of risk.

What all the millions of people who have swallowed these nonsense vaccine fallacies? Your having a laarf.

It doesn't matter where it originally came from, it has become an item of faith amongst a significant number of people who align with rightwing politics. But don't get hung up on this one issue, there are plenty of other whacked out anti-vaccine conspiracy theories, all obviously nonsense but eagerly believed by those who at the same time refuse to believe what science is telling them. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/doctors-debunk-9-popular-covid-19-vaccine-myths-and-conspiracy-theories#Myth:-The-COVID-19-vaccines-rewrite-your-DNA

People who are fully vaccinated are far less likely to become infected, far less likely to have a 'break through infection', far less likely to become seriously ill, far less likely to be hospitalised and far less likely to die of the infection.

Yes, population density is a significant factor undermining simplistic comparisons between outbreaks of complete different diseases that are separated by decades.

But vastly less infectious and therefore vastly fewer serious illnesses, hospitalisations and deaths.

Rightwing Politicians: https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/state-lawmaker-promotes-debunked-vaccine-conspiracy-theory-on-senate-floor The Christian Right: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-evangelical-right-pushed-microchip-vaccine-conspiracy-theory-2021-9 Leaders of Rightwing Organisations: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/29/don-wagner-vaccine-tracking-devices/ Rightwing TV Commentators: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-viewers-bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccines-tracking-1004415/

I have absolutely no problem with any rightwinger throwing pelters at me regarding my views on vaccination, they are based on best scientific and medical advice and pro vaccination messaging has not cost a disgustingly high number of unnecessary deaths.

Indeed the COVID virus is not at all concerned with an individuals political persuasions and only with their vaccine status. However, political persuasion is a demonstrably signifiant factor in vaccine acceptance. Yes the unvaccinated are becoming statistics and those statistics are weighted heavily towards victims being followers of rightwing politics, rightwing news sources and rightwing leaders.