Chomper Higgot

I’m not sure the Hippocratic oath has any legal standing.

The effectiveness of vaccines is not an opinion. But it is something you omitted to mention. Omission is a thing amongst anti-vaxxers.

Since you like stats and percentages, odd that you omit to mention the single most effective means of staying safe from COVID ..... Get vaccinated.

Because claims of having had mild COVID are common amongst people arguing against vaccines and other means of fighting this wretched disease.

You’ve stated you have had COVID. Was this conformed by medical testing by a doctor/clinic/hospital?

Yes reality debunked him within a matter of weeks of him making his prediction - and yet here we are almost two years later and he’s still used as a reference.

Loannidis’ 10,000 number has been thoroughly debunked.

Has Loannidis updated his prediction that COVID-19 would kill 10,000 Americans? It is this early gaff that he used as the basis for his ‘advice’ and the views he expressed on the response to the Pandemic. Over 752,000 deaths so far and still counting.

It’s not been all bad news. The Pandemic has for me, and many others, been an opportunity to think about what’s important and reorganize my life accordingly. I’ve built the house I always wanted to build, spent time with my wife and family, changed my habits around things that have a health impact and got some serious cycling done. I got my weight down to what it was when I was in my twenties and I’m fitter and happier now than I’ve been for many years. I know many others who have likewise reset their priorities and are happier for having done so. The ‘new normal’ has some very bright and promising opportunities. I’m really looking forward to see how the changes wrought by this pandemic pan out, most of all I’m looking forward to see how young people respond to the ‘new normal’.

Correct, take the safe and effective vaccine, follow medically advised precautions and live your life.

This is not in dispute. However the vaccination still requires consent. In California the vaccination of a minor requires parental consent (there is an exception for treatment and vaccination relating to sexually transmitted diseases under which minors of 12 years and older may give their own consent without their parent's knowledge), but in all other cases parental consent is required. The UK has a more clear policy, minors of 16 years and older have full rights to decide their medical treatments while minors below 16 who are considered 'Gillick Competent' may also decide for themselves in contradiction to their parents wishes. Also in the UK only one parents permission is needed, though disagreement will often be resolved by the court of protection. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/consent-to-treatment/children/

But of course there are two parents and they don’t always agree. Courts are willing to act: https://feigenbaumlaw.ca/2021/10/06/quebec-court-orders-covid-19-vaccination-of-teenager-despite-fathers-objections/

I don’t believe that is entirely correct. Vaccination is a medical procedure and to my knowledge everywhere requires (Hippocratic oath/and medical regulation) informed consent. I suspect that in the case of school entry requirements the application process includes giving consent for vaccination.

Sowing discord, mistrust in government, the media, science, and using emotive issues to divide society are the tools of PSY-OPS. Oddly these same methods are being used by the rightwing and by a particular enemy of the US to which the leading rightwing political party have numerous connections. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/

So you’ve missed all the fake studies, half truths, outright fabrications and unsubstantiated claims that form the basis of so many anti-vaccines arguments. The truth is knowable and misinformation is frequently exposed in the discussions across this forum. The vast majority coming from anti-vaxers.

I’ll forgo responding to your comments on moderation, it’s not open for discussion. I presume you have evidence of members ‘teaming up’, who knows you might even want to share it. You are right most of the arguments put forward by anti-vaxers do not hold up. Yes you’ve stated many times ‘you are a vaxer’ these statements reside within all the other statements you have made. If alternative views are based on sound reason, science and data they can’t be ‘crushed’ alternative opinions based on misinformation or a misrepresentation of facts are of easily dispatched. My personal view is anti-vaxxers need to raise their game, stop cutting and pasting misinformation from where it is they find it, read and check the references they use and desist from the intellectual dishonesty of telling half truths while omitting pertinent facts even when the omissions have been repeatedly pointed out. Your assertion “it is just extreme fear that is transforming probably nice people on this thread into little monsters.” is an ad hominem. I see a false flag.

It’s a good question, but I doubt anyone here is qualified to provide a full explanation.

Precisely, you did it for selfish reasons and are incapable of understanding others might vaccinate for more altruistic reasons. The lack in some of altruism as s motivator is nothing new. But altruism is alive and well in many others. That said, I’m not in the least bit bothered on why an individual gets vaccinated, so long as they do get vaccinated. What’s very odd is getting vaccinated and then engaging in promoting anti-vaccine messages.

One of the objections put forward by anti-vaxcers, and some who themselves have been vaccinated but engage in promoting anti-vax sentiments is not feeling they should take any vaccine for the benefit of others. We’ve even had the laughable claim that ‘I’ve only ever taken a vaccine to protect myself’. Firstly all national/international vaccination programs have an objective of defeating a society wide disease threat; example the ‘fight against small pox’ was a program of vaccination to eradicate that scourge. Secondly, promoting vaccination to protect others is a very effective means to encourage large numbers of people to get vaccinated. I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s witnessed younger members of families seeking vaccination in order to protect elderly parents/grandparents. That the terminally selfish are themselves unable to even comprehend vaccination to protect others (despite several times in their life having been vaccinated to protect others) is only an insight into their own selfishness, it is not an argument against vaccination to protect others.

It’s a half truth, you know it’s a half truth and yet you continue to post half truths. Others will continue to call you out for posting half truths and hope at sometime you’ll finger out that you’ve been rumbled, your credibility in tatters.

Except the ramifications of that choice are too often visited on others.

Being ‘socially isolated’ has nothing to do with coming into close proximity with others. ‘Social Isolation’ is the absence of relationships, friendships, companionship and engagement with community. It’s common amongst the old, the immobile, people who are unemployed, people suffering mental illness and it’s very common amongst expats. People who are ‘socially isolated’ still go shopping, stand in queues, ride public transport and engage in any number of day to day activities that put them at risk of infection.

A lot of folk say they’ll quit, few follow through: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unvaccinated-workers-say-theyd-rather-quit-than-get-a-shot-but-data-suggest-otherwise/

I understand precisely which views we don’t share thank you.

You’ve researched?! Have you published your research? I’d like to read it to see what constitutes ‘research’ for a person who calls others misinformed while at the same time relying on RT for information and views.