Chomper Higgot

Apart from the fact it is rightwing political leaders propagating anti-vaccine misinformation and predominantly right leaning individuals who swallow it. The predominance is right wing with a much smaller subset of left wingers.

Let’s be clear, people holding left wing views have indeed been caught up in the anti-vaccine misinformation. But it is rightwing political leaders who have formulated national and state policies based on COVID/Vaccine misinformation and who continue to propagate misinformation to bolster the policy lines they have established.

There are two issues, firstly refusal or hesitation in accepting vaccination, itself problematic for a group of people whose profession brings them into direct contact with a disproportionate number of people suffering diseases and health conditions that leave them vulnerable to COVID. The increased COVID risks from these diseases and health conditions is well documented, widely known and absolutely something health professionals refusing vaccines are aware of. The second, addressed by the joint statement, is the use of one’s standing as a nurse while willfully disseminating misinformation. We frequent see references on this forum of anti-vaxxers posting misinformation that has at sometime been endorsed or claimed to have been endorsed by a health professional. As I have argued before, the possession of medical training and qualifications does not protect against falling victim of misinformation. With millions of people only receiving news and current affairs opinion from rightwing and extreme rightwing sources it is to be expected that health professionals will be within that audience. Even more so when the links to political affiliation and religious beliefs are included. However, a health professional is duty bound to use verifiable facts when offering their professional opinion. The line of argument that starts ‘I’m nurse and.....’ immediately invokes professional standing and therefore is subject to professional regulation. The joint statement makes this professional duty to not spread misinformation on any platform clear. I’m not sure if the governing bodies for Doctors has done likewise, but it is past time they did.

Two highly improbable events witnessed by the same person can be described mathematically by conditional probability: Pr(a)|Pr(b) =extremely unlikely. I suggest you go buy a lottery ticket, then take your winnings and back those on a horse. You are having an extreme run of luck to witness two events that support your long expressed preconceived positions. Of course there might well be another explanation for these extremely unusual coincidence between what you believe and what you report.

I think it is worth sharing, as the similarities with COVID are interesting. Maybe I should underline that there is no definite proof that OC43, which is still around, was the culprit. 1888/1890 Pandemic . I see this as glimmer of hope as it would show that we can indeed develop herd immunity, even without vaccines. But doctors seem to agree that to get there everyone must get exposed multiple times to the virus. Doctors also agree that infection without vaccination results in large numbers of unnecessary serious illnesses, hospitalizations and deaths.

Leading US nursing governing bodies have issued a joint statement on the duty of nurses to not disseminate COVID misinformation and on the possible consequences they face if they do so: https://www.ncsbn.org/16370.htm

The vaccine I received (Pfizer-Biotech) is fully approved. The side effects you refer to are not showing despite now billions of inoculations. ’Typically’ is not ‘always’ and what was ‘typical’ before may no longer be so.

The COVID vaccines have been tested and approved. They are safe and effective. It used to take weeks to cross the Atlantic, it now takes a few hours. That something used to take years is not an argument against it now being done in months.

I agree with you that recognizing the actuality of the COVID situation, regardless of how that came about, has been a necessary step to dealing with it in the most positive way, and yes that includes taking the opportunities that have arisen. COVID has changed the world we live in, some of the changes are very positive for those able to take advantage of them. I however disagree with you on the value of expressing opinions on this forum on any other social media. The last 5 or 6 years have taught us all that social media and what is said on social media has very real and significant impacts on the world we live in.

No it is not necessary to know the health status and life style choices of all who die of COVID in order to determine the threat of COVID to a population. The larger the data sample size the more accurately it will represent the general population. Moreover, the data from one population may, and is, compared with the data from others. The comparative risks of serious illness, hospitalization and death from COVID for fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals are well documented. In the context of this thread all that is necessary to know is vaccination status. Don’t delude yourself otherwise.

You’d need some more information to determine if that were so. In particular you would need to know the absolute number of fully vaccinated and partially vaccinated. Odd though, you seem to have missed the 85% (helpfully colored red).

As I said earlier, no rational answer. Risking your own health in order to troll people you probably don’t know is far from rational.

They don’t know anything the general public doesn’t know, they’ve simply swallowed the anti-vaccine propaganda. I wish them the best of luck trying to find meaningful work where they don’t need to be vaccinated.

If you need to ask you almost certainly would not understand the explanation.

At the start of this pandemic and prior to science providing us with an understanding of how this disease is transmitted and then vaccines to fight its spread, doctors, nurses and medical staff were being killed by the virus in alarming numbers. Dr Li Wenliang who alerted the world of the existence of this disease was himself one of the many medics who it killed. Science based precautionary measures and vaccines have thankfully greatly reduced the risks medical staff face when providing health care to COVID patients, but sadly there are residual risks. That so many doctors, nurses and medical staff are willing to face these risks to provide healthcare to those in need is something we all ought to be very grateful for. RIP and thank you for your service.

I’d explain it to you, but since you clearly don’t know the definition of ‘propaganda’ and have completely missed on which side of the vaccine debate propaganda has and continues to be propagated, I feel any attempt at explanation would be futile. But don’t be despondent, observable reality is out there. The title of ‘idiot’ to which you say you would lay claim has already been taken by millions of people who refuse a safe effective vaccine in favor of anything the science denying extremists feed them. I suggest you ask the people refusing the vaccine why they do so, but don’t expect a rational answer.

Except vaccinated individuals are less likely to catch COVID and less likely to transmit it if they do.

Why would you self isolate? If you don’t feel sick you almost certainly won’t test for COVID and if you din’t feel sick how would you know you are infected?

Gibraltar has had a total of 98 COVID related deaths which is around 0.3% of the population. There’s a lot more ‘susceptible’ still around.

Ivermectin is not an effective medication for COVID - Period! How’s the list of countries you owe us coming along?

Regardless, be sure he’s not taking it for anything COVID related.

I hope for your own sake this is sarcasm.

You made the claim. It is for you to back it up. Name the countries.

THe subject of this thread is Ivermectin (a horse medicine). It has uses in human medicine which are supported by scientific clinical trials. None of those uses supported by scientific clinical trials include treatment or prevention of COVID.

Name the countries.