Chomper Higgot

As a Liberal I’m struggling with the concept of ‘Republican excess deaths’. If the Republicans believe encouraging their supporters to follow a course of action/inaction that results, by means of Darwinian selection, in a reduction of their own voter base why would any Liberal waste headspace worrying about it.

I can think of one former President who’s words we should not take seriously, on account of his recorded habit of constantly lying. You just referenced him.

It depends where you looked. Heseltine had a very good Conference this year. His side meeting to discuss the problems with Brexit and rejoining the EU was mobbed out, standing room only for scores of Conference Delegates and Industry Representatives.

Clearly some will not be convinced no matter what the evidence. Refer a couple of examples above.

My post to which you have responded was a statement of observable fact, I said absolutely nothing about how immigrants or their children should think. However you do make a very valid point. Making assumptions on how immigrants, or indeed the children of immigrants should think is indeed an example of racist thinking This is especially so when adopting or disseminating gross pejorative generalizations of how you believe immigrants think. An example might be ‘Immigrants only come to the UK to sponge off the welfare state/for free housing/benefits etc’ We frequently see some members making this form of gross pejorative assumptions on the thinking of immigrants, often receiving multiple positive responses from other members. Another example is ‘an immigrant/asylum seeker should feel safe and should stay in (some other country than the UK)’ I can think of few more definite examples of an individual’s thoughts than how they feel about their own safety. And yet we frequently see posts from some members stating how immigrants should feel about where they should feel safe - and oddly such posts get positive reactions from the self same members. I’m with you in this JohnnyF, making assumptions on how immigrants and asylum seekers think or should think, especially when backed by grossly pejorative assumptions is racist.

Sorry that will not do. I did not mention her colour. Let it go.

I don’t think I mentioned her colour.

Are Labour the topic of discussion already?

Whataboutary

There is precious little to find amusing in the nastiness of Braverman’s latest political games, but a Tory singling out Indian Immigration to the UK resulting from the post Brexit desperation for an India/UK trade deal meets the laugh bar. You’ll find ‘European Immigrants’ being replaced through Government trade deals with cheaper Asian immigrants’ filed under Project Fear. Braverman has picked a direct outcome of Brexit to rant against. The use of immigrants as pawns in Tory political games is not at all amusing; however, the rank hypocrisy and predictable outcome of Tory idiocy is hilarious.

The assertion you make is known as a Non Sequitur.

Now try this: Evidence please.

It won’t be implemented, it’s a political game. Braverman thinks Truss is cooked, she’s playing to the racists and xenophobes in her bid to step into No 10 when Truss is kicked out.

The child of immigrants turns on immigrants. Some immigrants don’t even leave it to their children.

Perhaps you provide evidence to back up what it is you say you know.

Does that feel better now?

I see a different outcome. The rule of law reaffirmed, and nobody above the law.

We can observe for ourselves the level of blind obedience to Trump present amongst his supporters. The DOJ have very good reason to ensure they are absolutely sure of their case before asking a Grand Jury to indict. Added to which: Having found documents to be missing, the DOJ (and national security services) are surely investigating very serious risks to national security and perhaps crimes associated with those risks.

I have zero expectation that people who are still supporting Trump will accept any indictment he might face. If Trump is sent to trial, they’ll not accept that either. And if Trump is convicted at trial, well of course that won’t be accepted either.

If it were a forced entry Trump would have plaster photos of broken locks and smashed doors all over his failing social media messaging service. There was no forced entry, there was no need for forced entry, the FEDs had a lawfully issued search warrant they had a right of entry. No evidence of ‘forced entry’ has been produced.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make with that post.

Trump was impeached (twice), he just wasn’t convicted.

Four of those years he was beyond the reach of law being protected by a corrupt USAG. He’s no longer free from prosecution. Justice is coming.

They did not ‘force their way in’. They lawfully executed a lawful search under a lawfully issued search warrant.

I would expect they have itemized documents but not stated the contents of the documents. Charges take time, Trump’s request for a special master slowed things down. From my own point of view, I’d love to see Trump indicted and sent to trial - I want it to happen - but I’m chilled, I’d much rather the DOJ took the time to build a water tight case than see them rush a case through that hasn’t been thoroughly checked and double checked. Chill, Justice is coming.