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Prayut "I'm not good at politics"  that is true but he's good at coups so if this doesn't work just have number 23.

This is IMPOSSIBLE as Thais do not go with prostitutes and, obviously, this was a misunderstanding and a PLOT to hurt Thai hearts.  

Come to Philippines like I do EVERY Songkran.

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Ergo how? I didn't "support" any such thing. Not your friend, and if you're not interested in insults, don't go there.

I suggest we stop this ping pong as you embarrass yourself.

9 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, it isn't clear. You're saying that it's clear, and that doesn't make it so.

 

 

You obviously don't get it. What you posted refers to human rights. It specifically refers to individual rights of persons. There is nothing in this which implies a direct application to Governments and countries as a whole.

 

Work on your petty insults, as well as on your lacking comprehension skills.

Ergo you conversely support 'guilty until proven innocent'... well done and I would suggest you leave out the insults friend

1 minute ago, Gruff said:

Yes interesting but 50 plus years ago the extended family had a similarly important role in the UK. Not all progress or modernsation ? is benefical. If you don't know about alternatives or learn from others though you cannot make an informed option about the best way forward

That's true and the growth of the social welfare culture over that 50 years, in developed countries, must have had an impact. Probably best is the 'Middle Way' of family/friends love and compassion and the financial, social support (paid for over ones career by deductions).

1 minute ago, kenk24 said:

Agreed - - many ask me the same question too... but I would say from what I have seen, the family does a better job of 'looking out' - than the cold arm of any government... from what I see, it can go beyond kids. If anyone in my extended family is in the hospital there can be as many as 20 people nearby to help out. I have seen this too and true for expats as well. 

 

When my infant niece was in a coma, there were always 2 people at her bedside, 24/7 - - and several others nearby to switch on and off, to watch the ventilator that was keeping her alive, to be there for her. I was the driver, ferrying family members back and forth to the hospital 2 hours away. Each time I would arrive back in the village, there would be a crowd of at least 20 people awaiting my arrival with fresh clothing and food prepared to bring back for the others. 

 

As to unemployment insurance - when younger sister was laid off in Bkk - she came home to the village. Roll out another mat, food is plentiful and she was there to help with everything at home. Not negative stigma. She was welcomed back and has the security to know that will always be true... unemployment payments run out - her family does not. 

Yes Goodwill can be found anywhere, thank goodness!  Humanity has the capacity to be cruel and kind. I'm probably a bit too cynical and happy to recognize compassion can be found.   

9 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

 

f you want to lecture us on the law, then it would be appropriate that you actually knew what you were talking about, because you are wrong. One does not  need  a court order or a conviction to stop a violent crime in progress.  The gassing of non combatants with sarin and chlorine gas is a  horrific act.  No one is obliged to obtain "permission" to stop it.

 

This isn't a common "penal offence" and the administration of proceedings in a case such as this goes is well past the stage of  "the presumption of innocence".

You conveniently  ignore, or perhaps you are just ignorant of the joint investigation by the UN and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons that  found enough evidence in three prior chlorine gas attacks in 2014 and 2015 to prove that the Syrian government was responsible. This finding was not contested.  The UN Security Council Unanimously Adopted Resolution 2235 (2015), Establishing Mechanism to Identify Perpetrators Using Chemical Weapons in Syria The Security Council established  the Joint Investigative Mechanism of the United Nations and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which would identify “to the greatest extent feasible” individuals, entities, groups or Governments perpetrating, organizing, sponsoring or otherwise involved in the use of chemicals as weapons in Syria.  The investigation identified the leadership of the Syrian military and Assad as responsible parties. Syria was already sanctioned. 

 

The Syrian state  initiated the mass killings through the use of poison gas. The state does not have benefit of the protections you claim because it was subject to conditions. International Inspectors  have been blocked from  verifying  remaining stockpiles and manufacturing facilities. 

 

Your attempt to defend the mass murderer Assad by the inappropriate use the UN charter of human rights is like saying Himmler was innocent of mass murder because he was not convicted, Pol Pot was just misunderstood, and that King Leopold and his Belgian thieves did not murder  millions in the Congo because he was not charged. 

 

You are  morally and legally wrong and should be ashamed of your defense of a brutal state that is using poison gas.  You have the Corbyn disease.

 

Your rant misses the point. By who?

3 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

You got me there - - the old rose tinted line... sure, why see the bright side when I can choose to be a miserable whining wretch.. right? 

 

Not sure it is the prime motivation for having kids but agree it is part of it - that is the history of the species. My parent's generation in the Western World felt an obligation to look after their elderly parent's as I felt toward mine too when they became disabled... 

 

If you look up, social security is not doing a great job of taking care in some coutnries - - and from what I see here, there is actually more security in having a family who will always be willing to help - - at least that is the experience I have observed with my wife's very large, close, caring extended family. 

Yes fair points but my point is valid too. Many Thais ask me, because I don't have kids, but WHO will look after you when you are old?  it's insurance and the main reason in my observation. 

Naga obviously

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Depressed country?

 

Most Thais I speak to don't have kids for this reason. I guess we moved in different social circles.

What reason?  anyway cultural shift is happening but it's slow

The pair were so engrossed in the wonderful Thai culture on offer in Don Manao that they quite forgot what time it was.

yea, yea 

3 minutes ago, kenk24 said:

I agree that the world view is limited, but the Thai I know and live amongst are very into taking care of family members. I have been quite impressed with my wife's large, functional family and the extents they go to help each other as most often visible in child rearing... the Western world has a larger world view and yet cannot be kind to family members. 

Yes but you ignore WHY there is a culture here of children looking after parents (as there also is in other depressed countries). The reason is there is very little social security, pensions and the like and so the system is 'the kids will look after us' and when I talk to Thais this is the prime motivation for having kids and kids are insurance. I'd drop those rose tinted specs a little bit.

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9 minutes ago, Thongkorn said:

Most Thais don’t know that they would be speaking Japanese today if not for the Allied forces. But that’s not their re problem up to them. But let’s reap the benefits though.

Very good point. Most have no idea that Thailand was part of the Axis Nazi powers all they care about is the 'we've never been colonized' propaganda spin. Yet Japan has free reign through Thailand and, basically, occupied. 

The bigger point is that this lack of education has been 'designed' that way as part of the elites 'command and control' which is why no uprising to the Junta etc. And so the selfishness 'we are Thai' nationalism has been inculcated from birth. Luckily this is not the world view and as the world grows smaller and information speedily informs us of everything Thailand must grow... eventually, out of this 'I'm alright Jack' mentality.

Your wife is selfish it's that simple. Thais don't care because they don't care and live in their coconut. The world has not been advanced by such thinking and supporting others with a vision of 'we are all humans' has helped millions after disasters, wars etc.  Thais, generally, only care about themselves and if/when that 'opens up' Thailand will be a better place, and the world too. Imagine the world if we all thought like your wife?  no one cares, no support given and probably Hitler in charge of Europe, blacks and women disenfranchised and gays and other minorities dead and gone.

Gob Nai Kala (frog in the coconut) is utterly against any concept of Goodwill, Spirituality or Philosophy that the world has produced. One World, One Humanity and One Vision is what will help us get over the terrible eco problems, wars and suffering we have as a people.

19 hours ago, Morch said:

 

I am not your friend. Saying "United Nations Charter" without a clear reference is meaningless. And fancy going on about dictatorships while supporting Russia and Syria.

Ok you are not my friend nor anyone's it appears...  this won'take any difference to your ego but here is the section you ask for :

 The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".

19 hours ago, Morch said:

 

None of this directly supports the notion that it applies to governments or countries as a whole. Most of the references included pertain or specify personal cases and rights.

You really scrape the bottom of the barrel.

International law and UNSC is clear on this matter but you will argue, obfuscate and deflect simply to heighten your ego rather than add to a mature debate.