Mike Teavee

But If I gave his son in the UK the money, then he (Non Thai Tax Resident) remitted it to his father there would be no tax to pay for anybody? You might be right but again, it doesn't "Feel" right.

So any money sent from a Non-Tax resident that is not a gift or payment for a service/product is free from income tax for the receiver? - Doesn't "Feel" right to me. How about, a friend of mine (Works in Thailand, Higher Rate Tax payer) wants to borrow 2Million THB as a Bridging loan, I (Thai Tax Resident) send him 2Million from the UK & he pays me back in the UK when he gets some dividends/capital gains, do I still need to declare the 2Million THB as assessable income even though I won't be seeing any benefit from it? - Feels like he should be the one declaring it as assessable income as ultimately that's where the money is coming from/going to... If not it could be a way for him to pay <25% tax instead of the 35% he'd pay if he remitted it directly

To be clear, are you saying that he would be taxed as the ultimate recipient of the money or would be taxed as the sender of the money? E.G. If a friend (not relatived) wired me money, who would be taxed in the following scenarios Tax resident in Thailand wired me 600K THB with a request that I give him 50K pm? Non-tax resident in Thailand wired me 600K THB for spends for a 3 month holiday? Tax resident in Thailand wired me 600K THB out of the goodness of his heart? Non-Tax resident in Thailand wired me 600K THB out of the goodness of his heart? "Fairness" would suggest he would be taxed in scenario 1, nobody would be taxed in scenario 2 & I would be taxed in scenario 3&4.

Guy who gets punch doesn't seem to have done anything except walk over to speak to him...

UK Gov's International Pension Centre https://www.gov.uk/international-pension-centre

Apologies, I was out when I posted this but now I've had chance to read the full Siam Legal page they're not saying that foreign income is tax free under this visa, but more as you're staying under 180 days Foreign Income is tax free... Thailand has always been a haven for digital nomads, those who work exclusively online from anywhere in the world, and now Thailand is making it much easier to make the Kingdom a “workcation” destination. The recent announcement introduced the “Destination Thailand Visa” (DTV), which will be valid for 5 years and allow holders to stay in Thailand for a total of 180 days each year. These days need not be consecutive, and the 180-day limit means that holders will not have their foreign income taxed by Thailand. https://siam-legal.com/travel-to-thailand/new-thai-visas-and-sweeping-changes-to-immigration-rules-announced/ NB: Their read is that it's a total of 180 days in one year. Do 90 days in country & leave for 3 days & you don't get another 180 days when you get back, you'll either get another 90 days or 87 days depending on whether they use what's remaining on the 180 days the visa allows OR the original permission to stay.

So I can get one of these visas & remit all my rental, dividend, Capital gains income tax free? Be tempting to not renew my passport before my next extension so my Non-IMM O expire next July & get one of these instead so I can remit income tax free. Next year take another 6 months & extend then get the LTR in 2026

Thanks, I missed this... Strange that they would announce a new Visa type that is bound to draw a lot of interest & then say that it won't be available for at least 1 year. Only reason I can think of for it taking so long to bring in is they need to make some changes to the Immigration Systems which might add weight to the argument that the Visa is a Cumulative Visa (I.E. Multi-Entry up to a maximum of 180 days in any one year with 1 extension allowed so you could spend 360 days in one of the 5 years). Again, pure speculation until we know more information but I suspect things will go very quiet on this for awhile if it really is going to take 1 year to bring it in.

There is no “Pot of Monry”, your contributions were used to pay Pensions for people who retired while you were working & People who are working/contributing today are paying your pension

There have been a couple of reports in the other thread saying people have been getting 30 days at BKK Airport

I believe Australia tried to do this & UK government refused to enter into discussions so I wouldn’t fancy Thailand’s chances.

I don't claim it's an Official site, just saying that the site has been updated to say the Visa will be available later this month/early July in response to somebody stating (without posting any links) that it won't be available until June 2025.

DTV site has been updated to say the Visa is expected to be available from later this month or Early July The new DTV visa is expected to take effect in late June or early July 2024 as part of their short-term measures https://dtv.in.th/en#availability

DTV site says it will be available later this month or early July... The new DTV visa is expected to take effect in late June or early July 2024 as part of their short-term measures It also suggests that you can use it to enter Thailand for up to 180 days each year for 5 years...

If it worked like existing multi re-entry visas then you could:- Enter Thailand Day 179 leave Thailand do a border bounce Day 179 re-enter Thailand Day 358 leave Thailand do a border bounce Day 358 re-enter Thailand Keep repeating until the day before the 5 years expires, do a border bounce & get another 180 days so the Visa would be good for approx. 5.5 years. Honestly cannot see this being how it works as you've just killed off the Thailand Elite 5 year visa (the other perks are worth nowhere near 900K). I would think that it would be more like a a Single Use Visa with multiple re-entries during the span of the permission to stay. I.E. Enter Thailand get 180 days Day 30, Take a 3 day trip out of Thailand, come back & be stamped in for 147 days (180 - 30 days already in country - 3 days away) 60 days later take another 3 day trip, come back & be stamped in for 84 days (Total of 90 days in Thailand - 6 days outside) 30 days later take another 3 day trip, come back & be stamped in for 51 days 30 days later take another 3 day trip, come back & be stamped in for 21 days ... Extend (once) & repeat... Which effectively means you'd be getting a new visa every year & doing an extension every 6 months, not great but feels better than what <50s singles need to do today.

I take your point. I was answering to the point that an LTR (& a Tourist Visa for that matter) are technically "Non-Immigrant" Visas as they don't bestow permanent residency (i.e. you cannot become an Immigrant on one) but in terms of this context then yeah, it's probably not on their list of 17 being reduced to 7, whereas the OX "Retirement" visa (which is the same 5+5 years visa) is on the list. Still curious to see one though if somebody could post a pic (redacting their personal details obviously).

Then maybe somebody could post a redacted picture of their LTR & we’ll see if it has “Non Immigrant” on it. Or simply look up the definition of “Immigrant” a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. Nothing permanent about a 10 year visa.

Seems some people are easily confused or believe that the LTR is not a Non-Immigrant Visa... Non-Immigrant Visa This is normally a single-entry visa into Thailand that’s valid for 90 days. Depending on the type of Non-Immigrant visa you can also get a work permit and open a bank account. This visa can be extended to a long-term visa, depending on the type of Non-Immigrant Visa you apply for. Depending on the purpose of stay, there are various types of Non-Immigrant Visas available from Thai embassies and consulates or at the immigration, some including: Non-B Business Visa Non-O Retirement Visa Non-O Marriage Visa Non-B Investment Visa Long-Term Residence Visa https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand-visa/thailand-visa-types

That's my fear, I would much rather they just left things as they were or at least commit to "Grandfathering In" people who have lived in Thailand for many years. It's easy for me to say "I'm all right Jack" as I'm in my 50s & already have Health Insurance but guys who have lived here for 20+ years & are now in their 70s would find it really difficult/expensive/impossible to get it if it became a requirement. Unfortunately the last time they did this (To the Non-IMM OA holders) they didn't "Grandfather In" existing holders so the track record isn't looking good.

Your "Stay" is based on your extension not your original Visa so if you were originally on a Non-IMM B & extended on the grounds of being married to a Thai then you would be considered as staying under a Non-IMM O Marriage. It's impossible to change to a Non-IMM OA without leaving the country to get that visa & even then, guys who live here on a Non-IMM OA Marriage don't need Health Insurance.

I would guess that it would be included in (5) Category Non-Immigrant Code O (Others) Thai Elite visas are classed as "Tourist" visas for the purpose of immigration

Of course the LTR is an Non-Immigrant Visa, only PR & Citizenship would be considered "Immigrant"

I think the fact inflation has meant your monthly spends have gone up by roughly 20% should be ringing alarm bells for anybody planning on retiring to Thailand on that sort of Budget, especially somebody like a UK Pensioner living on a Frozen pension. Once retired, we've made our beds & have to live with it, but I would recommend to anybody considering the move to pick a number, double it & then add in a "Fudge Factor", I ended up working 1 more year in a job I hated so I had the "Fudge Factor" & am so glad I did as I realised that I needed to add an extra 25% to my budget to have the lifestyle that I wanted in retirement. One question though, if you are living on pretty modest means, why live in Bangkok? Why not live somewhere where your money goes a lot further?

It depends on whether the cash is assessable income or not, not where she sends it from E.g. If the cash in question was savings from before 2024 then No Tax, If the cash in question was from US Social Security no Tax (DTA), if the Cash was from some other source then it's possible that there may be some tax due but highly unlikely as she's probably already paid more Tax in the US than would be due in Thailand (Again, covered by DTA).

Can you post a link as to where it says this as if it's from an Embassy site then these are unlikely to have been updated yet.