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8 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Given that no lockdown has stopped the spread of the virus, it's pretty clear they don't work in that sense.

What's your point? What should we change?

What has your friend Sweden told you?

Go ahead, ask Sweden.

King of Sweden blasts country's 'failed' coronavirus response

Sweden has highest new Covid cases per person in Europe

I give up on you, Logosone. You state opinion as fact. Do your research and stop making things up just to shore up your position.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

no one even mentions it anymore

ask Sweden. Go ahead.

So now we're comparing NZ in early containment stage.

Stay in your corner.

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

They don't work, if "work" means ending the pandemic.

You're not quite right. Good lockdowns stop the spread. Imperfect lockdowns can slow down the spread.

Lockdowns do NOT end the pandemic. Vaccines, and preventative/therapeutic cures are needed too.

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

So it is questionable if a real lockdown is even possible.

So lockdowns "don't work" because they "can't work" in the real world.

Then we're stuck in a semantic debate. You're in your corner, I in mine.

I'd encourage you to look at real world data. The pandemic is not yet over and humankind has work to be done.

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

the virus that spreads it may well be spread through airborne transmission:

 

Quite right. THAT IS WHY lockdowns (I mean it in a generic non-technical way) work.

With the method of transmission in mind, you would have to tailor "lockdowns" to the particular community or area.

37 minutes ago, James105 said:

Nobody on here who is a "lockdown believer" is able to explain why California (enforced lockdown/masks) and Florida (no lockdown, no mask), 2 states in the US that have the same demographics, climate, wealth, healthcare have the same outcomes for covid (although California is a little worse).  

What is your basis for comparing the two states? Choice of time period? The exact same points of pandemic spread? Inbound-outbound population (especially international)?

Lockdowns don't work. In the absolute sense (they don't work at all, Covid is not an airborne disease) or in a practical sense (they were mandated but compliance was a problem, social cost is too high)? What do you mean by "work" or "don't work"?

References:
California Lockdown Suppressed Excess Pandemic Deaths | UC San Francisco  >>  Excess deaths among Latino people in California during the COVID-19 pandemic

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Somchai had suffered chest pains after five days of having the jab and died.

 

Further investigations into the cause of his death are underway.

Five days, y'all. This is not a typical anaphylactic or allergic response.

An autopsy has not been performed, or is being performed as we speak.

Let them investigate and don't send up rumors.

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

no alcohol or caffeine before the appointment.

and get plenty of sleep.

You can't argue with them Jeffr2, for most deniers their minds are made up. Any data you cite will be dumped with 10 questions what about this, what about that, ad nauseum.

23 minutes ago, Rulie said:

We are in stage 3 testing out of 5

1/ According to your J&J handout, passing Phase 3 trials is equated with Step 4. All WHO-approved vaccines have concluded Phase 3 successfully.

2/ There's no mention of "final testing" in that handout. It says in Step 5: Even after the vaccine is approved and licensed, regulatory agencies stay involved, continuing to monitor production; inspecting manufacturing facilities; and testing vaccines for potency, safety and purity.

3/ For any vaccine, adverse events are constantly monitored, so in that sense all vaccines, not just Covid vaccines, don't pass "final testing" and shift attention to something else.

Perhaps the FDA factsheet explains it better: Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained

5 hours ago, Rulie said:

What is the hurry to take an emergency use vaccine that haven't finished final testing.

Care to elaborate? Sounds like another "internet rumor."

On 5/27/2021 at 9:20 AM, robsamui said:

Having jabs does nothing to reduce your chances of infection at all - it merely reduces the likelyhood of you ending up in hospital on a ventilator.

 

"90% effective" means there is only one chance in 10 that, when you become infected. you will need to be hospitalised.

 

Amazing how that - 18 months into a world pandemic - there are still people who don't understand the basic language of Covid vaccination.

What's your source for this claim?

7 hours ago, robsamui said:

My main concern is that after the first jab the protection remains low (10% or something)

 

and even the second jab only takes it to 40-odd %

What's the source of your concern? The numbers look wrong.

Enforcement is very lax. It is almost like an honor system.

40 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Why be so pessimistic...this announcement is actually good news, not bad news?  Why not just wait a few days and see what actually happens instead of just assuming the worst

I quoted the website. It is what it is.

As for assuming the worst, perhaps you read a bit too much into my post.

37 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

So, 'who' do you trust ?

Not you, for sure.

A TAT official as the point man for this operation, could lead to some rushed decisions.

3 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

as if that even needed to be said.

By you? No.  On the website? Yes.

31 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Finally...some GENUINE actionable news for foreigners!

At this moment, the website states:

 

The vaccination appointment through this website is for embassy staff, consulates, international organizations and their families only.

If you are identified that you are not the aforementioned staff, the vaccination appointment will be canceled. Please present the employee card at the registration site.

Put it this way, based on (still incomplete) knowledge of how Covid spreads, restrictions and safety measures SHOULD work just as a matter of principle.

But if they AREN'T working, we could look at points of failure, instead of immediately assuming it never worked.

Examples could include: non-compliance (meatpacking factories?), surface transmission?, internal ventilation, mass events (concerts, religious gatherings, covid parties?).

The economic damage caused? That's a hard one. IDEALLY the whole world could have have locked down collectively for 14 days (save protected essential services) and put covid behind us, with economic disruption reduced to a minimum.