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The carefully chosen term is "supplying" which could mean sale on commercial terms, sale at a discount or straight up donation.

Vague enough!

41 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Where did I ever say to ignore all the problems of lock downs?  Answer: I didn't.

Ignore the deniers, or they will dump on you with mocking, deflection and defects in logic. They take it personally.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Sinovac Vaccine Restores a Brazilian City to Near Normal

Another place in Brazil has a similar vaccination plan, with locally produced AZ vaccines. There's every reason to expect great results there too.

It's not the "nationality" of the vaccine that counts. Getting more people vaccinated, according to protocol, and reaching herd immunity is an important step to re-opening and economic recovery. 

11 minutes ago, arick said:

line site 

Where is the site? Might want to try.

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In this instance, no one needs to trust the WHO,

I recall Sheryl pointed out (correctly) that SAGE, the body that made the recommendations, is independent of WHO.

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

This is what the WHO said

Here's the irony. The study with the "50.4% effectiveness" that headlined all over the world as proof of Sinovac's weak results (if you only read the headlines) was considered to be in Sinovac's favor.

I'd take Sinovac or AZ, if I can lay my hands on them!

I sympathize, but off topic opinion discussions can be tacked on to any thread.

Sinovac? Chinese trojan horses, vaccine diplomacy....

AstraZeneca? UK rejects, colonial masters.....

Pfizer? US new world order, pharma domination.....

and on and on and on.

I think Pub Section is a more suitable space for this.

25 minutes ago, club said:

So it went from 50.4 % in clinical trials to 94% . Sounds like Chinese propaganda to me. Send us your independent sources 

That commonly quoted 51% / 100% result is from a Phase 3 study in Brazil. The test subjects were (at least 9000 out of 13000) front line medical workers, which put them in high exposure environments. 51% refers to the rate of protection from mild symptoms, 100% refers to the rate of protection from heavy symptoms requiring hospitalization (or death).

Sheryl has put out what should be the final word on those studies, which are not "Chinese" and not "propaganda."

It sounds true. Par for the course for the chaotic public health response.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

it was ready to offer Thailand’s access to the vaccines.

If true, good news !

7 minutes ago, John Drake said:

revealed the names of these panelists

Here it is, the top secret list they didn't want you to see:

SAGE Members

• Hanna Nohynek: Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL), Finland (Chair of the Working Group);
• Folake Olayinka: John Snow Inc (JSI), Virginia, USA.

Experts

• Muhammed Afolabi: London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, UK
• Celia Alpuche: Instituto Nacional de Salud Publica, Mexico;
• Hyam Bashour: Al Sham Private University, Syria;
• David Durrheim: University of Newcastle, Australia;
• Ruth Faden: Johns Hopkins Berman Institute of Bioethics, USA;
• Nicholas Grassly: Imperial College London, UK;
• Sonali Kochhar: University of Washington, USA;
• Eusebio Macete: the Manhiça Health Research Centre, Mozambique
• Kayvon Modjarrad: Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, USA;
• Sarah Pallas: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, USA;
• Mary Ramsay: Public Health England, UK;
• Peter Smith: London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, UK;
• H. Keipp Talbot: Vanderbilt University Medical Center, USA;
• Cristiana Toscano: Federal University of Goiás, Brazil;
• Yin Zundong: Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, China.

Ex Officio Members

• Klaus Cichutek: Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, Germany (Chair WHO Expert Committee on Biological Standardization (ECBS)):
• Peter Figueroa: University of the West Indies, Jamaica (Chair PAHO Regional Immunization Technical Advisory Group);
• Adam Finn: University Bristol, UK (Chair European Technical Advisory Group of Experts on immunization (ETAGE));
• Gagandeep Kang: Christian Medical College, India (Chair South-East Asian Regional Immunization Technical Advisory Group);
• David Kaslow: PATH, USA (Chair Product Development for Vaccines Advisory Committee (PDVAC));
• Ziad Memish: Ministry of Health, Saudi Arabia (Chair Eastern Mediterranean Regional Immunization Technical Advisory Group, Member of the Strategic and Technical Advisory Group for Infectious Hazards (STAG-IH));
• Christopher Morgan: Jhpiego, Australia(Chair Western Pacific Regional Immunization Technical Advisory Group)
• Saad Omer: Yale Institute for Global Health, USA (Member of the Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS);
• Helen Rees: University of the Witwatersrand, South Africa (Chair African Regional Immunization Technical Advisory Group).

WHO secretariat

• Annelies Wilder-Smith
• Joachim Hombach
• Melanie Marti

WHO | SAGE Working Group on Covid-19 vaccines (established June 2020)

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

the Seychelles

Points to consider:

• Sinopharm, Covishield
• about 63% of infections are 0-dose or 1-dose, while 37% had completed 2 doses. (Breakout infections are occurring, but fully vaccinated persons are under-represented.)
• no deaths among those who have completed 2 doses

Seychelles most vaccinated nation on Earth but Covid-19 has surged (cnbc.com)

Official response from WHO (Dr. Kate O'Brien):

[This is a] more complicated situation than the top-line messages. ...  But as we know ... some of the cases that are being reported are occurring either soon after a single dose, or soon after a second dose, or between the first and second doses. ... That evaluation is ongoing and we're supporting and engaging with the country to understand the situation.

18 minutes ago, clokwise said:

at xxxxxxxx Hospital. He's registered and everything. It's a done deal, so he says. Apparently some doses are being privately imported right now,

Private importation is potentially illegal. The bigger private hospitals would never risk it. Soi clinics on the other hand?

2 hours ago, MrMo said:

Will an inoculation in Thailand be accepted by other countries ?

At this moment the best practice is to check with your destination country.

9 minutes ago, asiacurious said:

51% of those vaccinated and prevented severe COVID-19 and hospitalisation in 100% of the studied population

That 51% / 100% result is from a Phase 3 study in Brazil. The test subjects were (at least 9000 out of 13000) front line medical workers, which put them in high exposure environments.

3 hours ago, habuspasha said:

Maybe made the mistake then of contributing to badmouthing the Chinese viruses.

When rumors and malicious speculations spread, they are hard to counteract.

The Sinovac vaccine has received WHO emergency approval.

WHO approves Sinovac COVID vaccine, the second Chinese-made dose listed | Reuters

WHO grants emergency approval to 2nd Chinese COVID vaccine - ABC News (go.com)

3 hours ago, Bangkocker said:

Westerners ?? I strongly doubt it !!

Doubt away.

17 minutes ago, anchadian said:

The government and the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) are encouraging foreigners living in Thailand to seek the opportunity to register for the kingdom’s vaccine programme despite ongoing confusion and a lack of information being encountered by many expats even this week.

I have mixed feelings about this "encouragement."