vinny41

Personally I don't think the EU would accept an eu accession request based on 51% for with 40% against and 9% undecided

You are correct Here is the link https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/published-polls/brexit-poll-the-independent-1-january-2023/ Table 1 Q1. If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the EU, how likely would you be to vote on a scale from 0 to 10, where 0 means you are certain NOT to vote and 10 means you are absolutely CERTAIN to vote? 58% said they were Certain to vote In Table 2 51% indicated they would vote to Join the EU Stay out of the EU 40% Undecided 9% Prefer not to say 1%

I posted an opinion and it appears I have hit a raw nerve with you your welcome to post your own opinion with a opposite viewpoint of what I posted Otherwise tough titty

The whole thread is members opinion's hence the title of the thread is POLL: Do you think Brexit is a success or failure? Think to believe something or have an opinion or idea: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/think

No I Didn't hence the opening line of my post was "I dont think"

Its an personally opinion as far as i know there are no forum rules that suppress forum members from having their own opinion's Membership 2.0: what the UK rejoining the EU would involve The EU would look for significant, stable and long-lasting majority public opinion in favour of rejoining. Support for EU membership on the order of 60-65 per cent or more for several years would likely be a minimum standard. If the UK were to bid for membership in the absence of such consensus, its application would undoubtedly be rejected. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/01/23/membership-2-0-what-the-uk-rejoining-the-eu-would-involve/

I dont think the EU is going to welcome back the UK any time soon They will wait for a period of 5-10 years to see if the % of rejoiners remain the same or increase or decrease They will also want a review of why large area's of the country voted to leave and what was the root cause and can that mindset be reversed if it was they felt left behind due to insufficient funding in jobs,housing,schools and infrastructure Will the remainers on this forum support a freeze on funding on areas that voted remain and redirect all funding to the areas that voted leave and that funding remain in place until there is equality in all areas of the UK Most of the posts I have seen remainers on this forum wouldn't support such a policy and feel that leaver voters should be sent to purgatory and remain there for ever becuase of the way they voted. Also the EU will want Scottish Independence question resolved before any thoughts of letting the UK join the EU accession waiting list

Its Interesting that article has a link to the Savanta Poll Methodology: Savanta ComRes interviewed 2,096 UK adults aged 18+ online from 10-12 December 2021. Data were weighted by age, sex, region and SEG. Savanta ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules. Date Published: 31/12/2021 https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/poll/attitudes-to-brexit-the-independent/ No suprise that the Independent didn't want to provide any links to a poll taken over 12 months ago

And none of them asked the dodge the bullet question will you accept the Euro as your national currency My understand is that the Libdems were in favour of further EU Integration and were in favour of adopting the Euro as the national currency They were the only national party that stated in 2019 they would cancel Brexit if elected they fielded 611 candidates of which only 11 were elected

All you have at the moment is a newspaper headline , there is no evidence that a poll has been taken as no details have been published Can you imagine the uproar if the Government said the results of the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum are leave has the majority vote and we are not publishing any further details on leave numbers remain numbers locations on the grounds of national security

It would appear that both the Independent and Savanta have chosen not to publish any details of the poll like when was it conducted, what questions were asked how many people took part was the elephant in the room mentioned Joining the euro. What we have seen with Scottish Independence: Polls is support for Independence is greatly reduced when the question about which currency is asked

I don't think acknowledged by MG, is correct as normally for an issue with a major defective part an official announcement would be made with advise on what to do, what to try and avoid and that would be followed up by a recall program if you do a search on the facebook page the replacement plugs haven't fixed the issue and some people have been informed that their existing warranty has been cancelled as a result of fitting parts not approved or fitted by MG

No I take polls results with a pinch of salt I was in the hardcore vote that have made my voting decsion years before the EU referendum was announced if you look at the results of the Lord ashcroft poll taken the day after the vote you will notice there was a hardcore group on both sides that knew which way they would vote I suspect even before the EU referendum was announced 39% for remain and 36% for leave https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

When people are deciding to vote on voting day they tend to refer to the polls carried out in the past 48 hours not months ago Polls did give a sense of the swing to leave in the first weeks of June, but edged back to favour remain in the final days before the vote. Just two of six polls released the day before the referendum – those carried out by TNS and Opinium – gave leave the edge. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-eu-referendum-pollsters-wrong-opinion-predict-close

Because their is money to be made out of polls, normally as a rule polls results always matched the poll sponsor agenda I can't recall any poll published that has gone against the poll sponsor ( I suspect they wouldn't pay for a poll that didn't agree with)

You mean like the 2016 EU referendum I know many voters that indicated they would vote remain but decided not to bother becuase the majority of polls indicated that remain was home and dry How the pollsters got it wrong on the EU referendum This article is more than 6 years old It was a bad night for the opinion polls, with few predicting the 52:48 split in favour of leave https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-eu-referendum-pollsters-wrong-opinion-predict-close

In December 2021 there was 46,560,452 people registered to vote your poll talked to 1007 of them which means there is 46,559.445 people that they don't know what there voting intentions are they can guess and that's about it

Forum rules state that you can only quote 3-4 lines the link was provided so anyone could read the full paragraph still only representative sample of 1,007 adults that were telephoned Do you know how many forum members took part in this poll I suspect none but you never know

Ipsos interviewed a representative sample of 1,007 adults aged 18+ across Great Britain. Interviews were conducted by telephone: 7th to 13th December 2022. Data are weighted to match the profile of the population. All polls are subject to a wide range of potential sources of error. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/conservatives-no-longer-most-trusted-grow-britains-economy How many people voted in the EU referendum answer 33,577,342

Some of those EU countries did try Option A 1st before they were caught out Option A was employing North Korean Slaves North Korean forced labourers in the EU https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2017-006243_EN.html North Korea sends 'state-sponsored slaves' to Europe - rights group https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-northkorea-eu-slavery-idUKKCN0ZM1G5

You should see the figures for Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit awards in respect of children resident in other EEA countries Child Benefit claims under EC Regulation 883/2004 in respect of children living in another EEA member state (or Switzerland) It was like Brucie Bonus https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06561/#fullreport as we can see in 2009 75% of all Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit awards in respect of children resident in other EEA countries were paid to Poland In years 2010-2013 the combined other 26 EU countries was nothing compared to what Poland received

If your going to quote figures from the ONS what don't you provide a link from the ONS In the winter of 2020 to 2021, most excess winter deaths were in hospitals in England (36,500) and Wales (2,100), with 54.7% and 39.1% more deaths occurring in the winter than the non-winter months in England and Wales respectively (Figure 7). In England, the excess winter mortality index (EWMI) for hospitals was significantly higher than other places of death, whereas in Wales there was no significant difference between hospitals and care homes. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2020to2021provisionaland2019to2020final#:~:text=An estimated 63%2C000 excess winter,(December to March)." No mention of heating in the ONS report

It would appear Priti Patel's claims were correct . Article 27 of Directive 2004/38 entitled ‘General principles’ and which is found in Chapter VI – Restrictions on the right of entry and the right of residence on grounds of public policy, public security or public health, provides: ‘1. Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States may restrict the freedom of movement and residence of Union citizens … on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. These grounds shall not be invoked to serve economic ends. 2. Measures taken on grounds of public policy or public security shall comply with the principle of proportionality and shall be based exclusively on the personal conduct of the individual concerned. Previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures. The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted. …’ https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62007CC0033

Asylum claimants found to have destroyed their documents can be prosecuted under a 2004 law passed by the Tony Blair government. However, Ministry of Justice data shows a dramatic decline in the number of prosecutions of this offence since 2005. One dataset even indicated that there were only two prosecutions in 2019 for being unable to produce an immigration document at an asylum or leave interview (a year when 1,840 are known to have crossed the Channel in boats). https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2022/02/24/98-of-channel-boat-migrants-have-no-passport

Any EU national that was refused entry before Brexit would be seeking to have that decsion overturned and made null and void using directive 2004/38/ec via the EU courts Likewise any country that refused entry would need to refer to directive 2004/38/ec