WalkingOrders

19 hours ago, ChomDo said:

Why is that nonsense?? Did you think this true well enough? That BBC link was interesting over a month ago when Covid was not so widely spread. Now the whole point is that symptomless people are spreading the virus around to others because they don't have a clue that they're infected (NBA player Rudy Gobert is a good example).

 

If everyone wore a mask this wouldn't happen, because the purpose of face masks is for sick people not to infect healthy people. Of course in Jan-Feb there was a lot of talk about why Asians wear masks when the doctors/scientists have said it actually doesn't protect you from Covid. I also stopped wearing a mask at the time, but now it's not a valid point anymore when so many people have the infection. Now the situation is very different compared to a month ago. The infection is so widely spread that everyone should be wearing a mask and I really don't understand why it's not made mandatory by governments.

 

In my own home country Covid is spreading very rapidly and my friends have told me that nobody wears a mask. Well that's one of the reasons why it's spreading out of control. I have some understanding for that Thai minister who complained about westerners coming to Thailand and not wearing masks and being clean. Of course everything else he said was nonsense except for the mask part. 

See my last post with USA CDC, and world health Org links. Both say masks NOT necessary. The collective wisdom lay with these organizations. Echoed by UK NHS etc.

18 hours ago, glennb6 said:

worldwide 6526... Thailand 1...  (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

 

that's where I get my math. (1 divided by 70 million). (World divide 6526 by 7.7 Billion). Those are not pandemic numbers.

 

of course I could quote dubious "news sources", "presumed cases", "experts say".... but I'd rather not swallow the propaganda.

 

Obviously  there has been massive economic effects, which is why I get so wound up about this whole scam. It's is like the 2020 version of the War of the Worlds radio broadcast.  Fear fear and more fear generated by govt/big corps/big banks using the media and carefully worded and cherry picked situations, but if you look at the actual lethality and danger - it's next to nothing. Yet people, you, others, continue to fall for the propaganda.

A "scam" indicates someone behind this, or some group. So I think that might be a poor choice of word to use, but I will say that the media is generating a certain amount of hysteria. The reason, as always, has been to sell newspapers, or advertising slots. Additionally, election season brings out the crazies in the USA!

A lot of talk about masks here, what does USA CDC say?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/prevention.html

What does WHO say?

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

So here you have the USA, and UN saying you basically do not need a mask, unless you are sick, or directly caring for the sick. The same info put out by NHS etc.

17 hours ago, MikeN said:

"Fear fear and more fear generated by govt/big corps/big banks"

 

Please explain why any of the above would want to generate this fear .......The big corporations and banks are not going to make any money out of this, if they were their share prices would be skyrocketing not falling. It's going to cost governments all around the world billions upon billions of dollars in medical costs, lost national revenue, lost tax receipts, and attempts to keep their economies running. But you think they are doing this deliberately !!

"if you look at the actual lethality"

Yes, look at it ....it is between 1.5 and 2 times as infectious as the seasonal flu, and at least 10 times as deadly, at least 1% up to 3.5% (at the moment, that figure will certainly increase when all the ICU beds are full and people are being turned away). there are apparently around 35 million cases of the flu in the US every year, so if the COVID 19 virus was ignored and became globally endemic between 50 and 70 million people are likely to be infected with COVID 19 each year in the US, lets say 60m. If only 1% of those cases are fatal, that's 600,000 people who would die because people like you with Ostrich Syndrome want to stick their heads in the sand and ignore this.

Have you considered that perhaps it is you that is being fooled by all the redneck anti-govt prepper BS propaganda ?

There is another way to look at this. I am not worried. Not going to worry. Its not the end of the world, and there is nothing  I can do about it. I am not going to fret. Not crying. Not claiming a new knowledge of corona wisdom, or whining about governments Left or Right, as that does not accomplish a damn thing! 

19 hours ago, sezze said:

Some still fail to understand how it works . Even if you are not in the danger zone ( being old / have health issues ) , you can have the virus and spread it . If you do not have it , but the country has a lot of cases , the hospitals are full . Nobody will be working . The whole system collapses in a heartbeat . You break your leg ... sorry cannot help you , hospitals are busy helping people who are dying of Covid . Thats why many many countries now are taking extreme measures . China did it , practically whole Europe ( Italy and Spain hospitals are near collapse as we speak ) , and US is just starting . All those countries are not the same governments , they arent like North Korea ... those measures are not taken lightly as this does have tremendous impact on economy .Watched any of stock exchanges lately ??

My mom is 80 years old. She lives in Las Vegas. She hits the casino twice a week. She is well aware of the virus. While the strip now has mostly closed, her small local casino's remain open. Interestingly, she isn't worried. Aside from two weekly casino trips she hits the gym 3 times a week, and bowls once a week. There have been 16 corona virus cases in the entire state of Nevada. While my Mom is laying low a bit, I am more concerned about what would happen to her by sedentary behavior going beyond a couple of weeks then I am concerned about her actually getting the virus. Walking, bowling, and getting about, is what keeps her immune system strong, as such behaviour does for all of us. The flu also can kill someone 80.

This virus has to run its course. I have no control of it. I am not going into hibernation. Iiving in Bangkok. Not going to worry.

Do it online

I don't know about Jomtien, but at Cheng Wattana Bangkok, nearly everyone has one on, Thai and foreigner, and testing for temp done at entry, a sticker given, and hand jel provided. This was 2 weeks ago.

Well, my first thought is who, the heck, shares a glass of alcohol, and a cigarette?

"Mind if I have a drag off your smoke, and a small swig out of your rum n coke"? 

Or perhaps,

"Hey everyone, toss 10 baht on the table were gonna buy a drink to share, and one marlboro red single...."

"Whoooo hooooo f*** this virus...were in Thailand....party like it's 1999"!!!

9 minutes ago, glennb6 said:

if the wuflu was a deadly disease you might have something to worry about. but the fact that only 1 or 2 have died in thailand (70 million) speaks hugely. worldwide, it's primarily people in poor heath, and old people who have died from wuflu. Half the deaths have been in communist china (~3200) out of a population of 1.3 billion. Get out your calculator and get the percentages from those numbers.

 

If then you still think wuflu is a dangerous flu and drastic actions must be taken to prevent massive then you haven't passed 1st grade math or logic.

I am sick to death of grown men in this world crying whinging and whining across all forms of media ( Not here of course, I would never risk being banned by hurting any feelings) constantly crying their fears, warnings, and newly found professional competency in all things corona virus, and their constant lambast of Goverments everywhere blah blah blah....may they all die and open up free space for those with better things to do. Should this virus come for me I will kick its ass to the curb with willpower!

20 minutes ago, Toka said:

Coronavirus causing Covid-19 can hang in the air for at least 30 minutes (up to 3 hours at 23C) and travel up to 4.5 meters.  How long it lasts on the surface depends on factors such as temperature and type of surface, for example at around 37C, it can survive for two to three days on glass, fabric, metal, plastic or paper.  virus first dies at 60-70C

Source please

9 hours ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Declare victory and pull out of the greater Middle East now.

Oil and Israel aren't worth the price that this bloody mess has cost the USA.

There is no victory, and Israel can take care herself. The caveat, is making clear zero tolerance on aggression against US Interests or regional partners. Time to get out!

10 hours ago, Sujo said:

Well thats not true. US has asked for help in their wars. Australia has a policy to only go if requested. 

 

You can thank us anytime for always going to assist in your wars. perhaps also thank nz. You know, part of the anzus treaty.

 

Maybe US should stop asking for help.

No, NZ is partially suspended from AnZuz. See refusing US ships ports potentially carrying Nuclear weapons. Further, I favor ending the treaty, and letting Australia decide if they favour a new treaty. Perhaps they are feeling closer to China? As for NZ, let them likewise decide later.

You're right the USA should not ask for help, or expect any!

The USA has no allies, as far as I am concerned, until, and if new treaties are struck by nations who are sure they wish to be in them.

China is rising. No time for uncertainty!

10 hours ago, Victornoir said:

At home we say US go home.

It was valid in Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Aphganistan, Libya and I certainly forget some.
It has also been said for Europe since the fall of the wall and the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact. Not only the man in the street, eh, but also certain leaders in office.

At last we all shout "US go home" in Iraq with interventions based on shameless lies and the endless chaos they brought with them to this region.

As for losing or winning, our countries have lived for centuries before US and did not need anyone to maintain their sovereignty.

All for withdraw from entire middle east, and Europe. Also from South Korea, and even Japan, however, the USA withdrawing from both those countries would result in immediate declarations of nuclear weapons capability by both of them, and NK as well. Yeah, all for going home...... Build your Navy!

16 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because the 19-year war (or wars, if you go by Obama claiming to have ended it, only to get us into war there yet again) in Iraq was going so well until Trump came to office. Seriously, bro?

The concept of Trump being a Nationalist, favoring withdrawal from international intanglements, despite fierce opposition from neocon/neolib consensus of both parties, seems to be lost on the anti Trump crowd so enamoured with the Democrat party, and their neo con kinfolk in the GOP. Very poor student's of American politics I think.

I would have thought they would have grasped such subtlety by now, and jumped, at Trumps disdain for Europe gleefully to get rid of us from Europe. Alas, they hate him so, despite his being the first President to lean toward total European withdrawal.

Perhaps, they are unaware of the push back Trump receives if he even mentions the word withdrawal! From, anywhere!

5 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

it is a huge mistake to compare covid19 to the "normal" flu.

 

please stop doing it. 

 

The virus's correct name is SARS-CoV-2.

 

"Covid-19 is not the flu. It’s worse.

It’s deadlier, more contagious, and more likely to severely disrupt our health care system."

 

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/13/21176735/covid-19-coronavirus-worse-than-flu-comparison

 

I don't care what it's called. It doesn't matter. I am not changing around anything in my life because of it. I am in Bangkok. Still going to large malls nearby, still riding the train, still buying groceries.

I have not been out of Thailand for 4 years. No plans to return home until the end of the year, for a short visit. Unless virus enters the zombie stage, it has no effect on plans.

9 hours ago, Sujo said:

Yep, the US hasnt won a war for a long time. Perhaps stop starting things they never win.

All for a complete total withdrawal. Middle East, Europe, dissolution of NATO, pivot of total defense posture to Naval power and fast react looking East.  Nationalism, yet with powerful response if necessary, what was your last war?

9 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Your laws remind us as to how lucky we are to have effectively banned gun ownership in the UK. But the Constitutional right was to protect a developing country from restless natives and the old country of perfidious Anglos and as such was vital at a certain point in your countries history. Anyway back on topic....

I will refrain from commenting on the current state, or future state of the United Kingdom, other then to say I wish you good luck. God Save The Queen!

7 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

Because other countries look after the health of their people better. It's called socialized healthcare - after WW2 my parent's generation in the Uk voted in huge numbers for a socialist government who delivered it. And we regard this as a fundamental human right and not the right to bear guns. 

Your health care system developed out of a neccessity of large quantities of children having to be shipped across country to avoid bombing raids. Which created a health structure that aided that effort.

No slight against the American 2nd Ammendment is really neccessary here is it? Our laws have no effect on your way of life.