RayC

Well said.

"We", the British electorate. I didn't claim that I spoke for anyone else, although I'm pretty certain that I am not the only republican in the UK.

Oh dear ... Are you really that desperate to avoid answering my question about the benefits of Brexit that you resort to posting outright lies in an attempt to divert attention? Thought that you were better than that, nauseus. If you refer to page 1, you will see that sirineou was the first person to mention Brexit in this thread, followed by herfiehandbag. I replied to herfie (my first post in this thread). If you must make up things can I suggest that you at least make it a bit more difficult to disprove the lie.

The section containing Figure 2 in the attached link contains the more relevant data https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/

Trans, I didn't bring Brexit up so point the finger elsewhere. However, once Brexit is brought into the discussion, I feel that it is my civic duty to correct the falicy that it has been of net benefit to the country😉

If that claim is proven, then it is disgusting behaviour and the nurses in question need to be dismissed immediately.

Could you explain why given that Brexit has delivered few, if any, benefits? Perhaps so, but Brexit was the original division upon which these other fractures have emerged.

“Money can't buy you happiness but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery.” Spike Milligan

# of immigrant entering UK in '23: 1.25m of which 36,000 (3%) were illegal. So +/-97% of immigrants to the UK in 2023 presumably had the right papers. Doesn't seem like we need to be overly concerned about the (lack of) documentation.

😂 Brilliant

Why? Evidence to the contrary?

Any evidence to support this contention that lots of migrants to the UK are unmotivated and undocumented?

Brexit may not have destroyed the UK's economy but it has severely damaged it, as almost all reports into its' effects have demonstrated. Was Brexit the catalyst for the fracturing of the country? Debatable, but I'd suggest it has certainly deepened the divide. Add in the fact that Brexit has soured relations with the EU (member states) and been a major contributor to the political chaos in N. Ireland, then I'd suggest that the benefits need to be substantial to compensate. Unfortunately, there are few benefits to be seen. No positives to speak of economically; no trade deals of any significance. The much touted 'taking back control' has had little, if any, positive effect. Indeed, when it comes to immigration, it can be argued that 'taking back control' has been negative, as it is now much more bureaucratic complicated and financially costly for UK employers to fill vacancies from overseas than it was when we were part of the single market. All in all, Brexit has been a(n almost) total failure to date.

Straw clutching at its' finest. Or alternatively, "vandalizing a wall by painting a mural on it is not the same as daubing paint on the walls of a research lab". The power of words, eh? I'm not obsessed with Banksy at all, although I admire his work. I'm happy to substitute your favourite graffiti artist's name for Banksys'. The point remains the same: I'm just using Banksy as an example to show the inconsistencies in your argument. If that were to happen, then Benn would almost certainly be the subject of a complaint and, if proven, almost certainly struck off. ..... But given that these events are imaginary we don't have to be overly concerned by them. Says the man who can judge a doctor's professional competence better than her professional peers.

If you type "travel insurance for schengen visa (from Thailand)" into a search engine you should get plenty of options.

To smash verb 1: to break or crush by violence 2a: to drive or throw violently especially with a shattering or battering effect also : to effect in this way b: to hit violently: BATTER 3: to destroy utterly : WRECK (Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smash) Unless you are redefining the meaning of the word 'smash', daubing paint on a wall and chaining yourself to the gates/railings/door does not equate to "smashing up a research laboratory" no matter how often you suggest that it does. Benn was found guilty of crimes and was punished. As the article states, upon her release, Benn appeared before the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service (MPTS) to determine whether she was fit to resume her medical career. They concluded that she was. Apparently, this (additional) trial, judgement by her peers - which I think would be sufficient for the vast majority of the public - isn't enough to satisfy you. You previously complained that " ... pearl clutching middle class, leftist hand wringers ..." should not be treated differently, however, you have no problem treating the likes of Banksy differently despite him being guilty of the same crime. (Personally, I like Banksy's work, but by the letter of the law, he is guilty of criminal damage; the same offence which Benn was found guilty of). Anyway, thanks for proving my point that your objection to Benn has nothing to do with concerns about her ability to perform her role as a doctor - or for that matter equity in the eyes of the law - and everything to do with your irrationally hatred of any perceived left-wing cause which must therefore, if course, be suppressed.

" .. cannot control herself" (Whether her actions were justified or not, Benn seems to know exactly what she was doing) "Smashing up a research lab" (She daubed paint on the outside walls of a lab and chained herself to some railings. Juvenile and, no doubt, bloody annoying for those affected (which I guess was one of Benn's objectives?). It was no more, no less than that.) " ... akin to a teacher who burns down libraries at the weekends" (Oh my giddy Aunt!!!) " ... treat them differently because they are pearl clutching middle class, leftist hand wringers" (Who said anything about treating anyone differently?) " (my) doomsday cult predictions"? (I'll repeat: They are NOT my "doomsday cult". I have little time for either 'Just Stop Oil' or 'Extinction Rebellion') What complete and utter nonsense. Hyperbole of the highest order. Do you realise quite how ridiculous this all sounds? Don't bother answering: It's a rhetorical question. You still have not addressed how any of this is related to Benn's ability to practise medicine. Why? For the simple reason that there is no connection. The truth of the matter is that this has nothing to do with the separation of an individual's professional and private lives and everything to do with your irrational hatred of all things you perceive as being 'woke' and/or 'left wing'. 'Just Stop Oil' is left-wing; this doctor supports 'Just Stop Oil', therefore this doctor is 'left wing' and deserves all that she gets. No nuance. No analysis of the details. Black and white: I suspect that if a doctor was involved with an act of civil disobedience by, say, Fathers 4 Justice you would be less inclined to be calling for his disbarment. Btw: What would you do with Banksy if they can find him/her? He's painted god knows how many walls. Given your concept of justice, I imagine that s/he will be lucky to come out alive.

I did. I also meant "abuse" rather than "use". More care needed.🤷

Why do you say that? Imo a well argued opinion piece.

"The group (including Benn) used red chalk spray to daub anti-vivisection slogans at the entrance to Sequani and handcuffed themselves to the gates until police arrived to arrest them." Well personally I won't rest easy until the UK's public enemy #1 is safely behind bars and they've thrown away the keys. As TransAm says, get them to pay for the clean-up operation. Bit of a juvenile protest imo but back to the original discussion point: How does this relate to Benn's ability to do her (medical) job?

What precisely is irrelevant? What acts of vandalism did Benn engage in? You state that " ... this brings into question both (Benn's) character and her judgement which are essential qualities a doctor should have". I agree which why the GMC investigated the incidents. They subsequently concluded that Benn presented no danger to the public and could continue to practice.

You sir are a shining example of how to integrate into Thailand society👏😁 Nb: Do me a favour and stop at zebra crossings. Thanks.

Perhaps you would be good enough to produce evidence to support your claim that Sarah Benn has been convicted of " .. willfully committing criminal damage to a research lab", as my - admittedly cursory - web search didn't come up with anything. Benn is 55 and has been a doctor for many years both before and after her convictions without there being any concerns about her medical ability. There is no evidence to suggest that she would be a danger to any of her patients as you infer. It would be a loss to the country if she is unable to resume her career. I agree that individuals should be precluded from resuming their careers in certain professions (see my reply to James105) but do not agree that this list should include health professionals unless they were convicted of a crime against the person.

Upholding the law (all laws) is implicit to the duties of judges, the police, lawyers and the military, so I would agree that any type of conviction should disbar individuals from practising again in those professions. But what about other professions? Should footballers convicted of rape be prevented from resuming their careers? Personally I find individuals such as Mason Greenwood odious, and fully deserving of all the stick that he may get from the terraces, but I don't support the idea that he should be legally prevented from trying to resume his footballing career

I agree that what happens constitutionally in Belgium (almost) never has any effect in the UK; I didn't claim that it did. I merely pointed out the similarities between our two nations' constitutions and how the powers invested in the Monarch can lead to problems. It's good that Royal Ascent hasn't been refused in the UK for over 300 years. Let's play it safe and remove any lingering temptation that may exist to use it.