taxexile

Water On The Knee, I think

you need drainpipe trousers.

or get someone to give you a tap on the leg

if someone uses a uk passport to enter or leave thailand then there will need to be a visa in that passport.

if someone wants to enter the uk on a thai passport they will need a visa.

what the article is saying is that to travel, the same passport will have to be used both to leave (thailand) and enter the uk. that way the advance travel information received by uk immigration will match the details when the passenger arrives.

as it stands at the moment, the system makes no allowance for people travelling on two passports, using one to leave and the uk one to enter the uk.

the info. held wont match up.

like that comedy sketch, "computer says no"

this is to do with the passport details used by the airlines when the ticket is booked.

this information will be sent to the uk prior to travel.

Surely your wife should book the ticket using her UK passport and check in with the airline using it then present her Thai passport to immigration on the way out.

maybe that would be the answer, do airlines look for visas when flying out of thailand?

anybody know when this system comes into operation?

Internet records to be stored for a year

The “e-borders” system will log passenger information according to the data provided by the airline, which in most cases will be from the non-British passport used for the outbound journey. As a result, a dual national – even if readmitted to Britain by an immigration officer on showing a British passport – could be registered as an alien with no more rights than any other tourist, and limited to six months in the country.

On a subsequent trip, such a person attempting to return to Britain could be recorded as having broken immigration law. An airline, under the “e-borders” system, would be denied permission to carry the passenger home. Even if a British passport were presented, it would have to be verified by the nearest consulate or by the Passport Agency in the UK.

Australians, Americans, New Zealanders, Canadians and South Africans who have adopted British nationality are among those likely to be affected. There are more than half a million people born in these countries in the UK.

Airlines are concerned about the “e-borders” system. “It was not designed for dual nationals,” an industry source said. “This really will create a challenge for the authorities. As things stand [people] will not be able to leave Britain on one passport and come back on another.”

A UK Border Agency spokesman said: “With dual passports, you need to use the passport you bought the ticket with; that is the passport that is registered with Advance Passenger Information. If you don’t use that passport, then you will not be able to travel.”

my understanding is that if say, my wife(thai with both a uk passport and a thai passport) leaves thailand to travel to the uk, normally she would book the ticket under her thai passport, leave thailand on her thai passport and enter the uk on her uk passport. but seeing as the ticket, and the advance passenger info. is under the thai passport then that would cause a problem when she tries to enter the uk by showing her uk passport.

the same problem would occur when returning to thailand.

to travel on her thai passport, and enter the uk on that passport would necessitate getting a visa for the uk.

am i the one who is missing something here?

I was helped at the highest levels of government for many reasons.

then use those connections to get your mail back.

New border controls could penalise Britons with dual nationality

Tens of thousands of Britons with dual nationality risk being stranded abroad when the Government introduces computerised border controls.

By David Millward

Last Updated: 4:12PM BST 18 Apr 2009

Dual nationality Britons will have to use one passport for both legs of their journey.

The Daily Telegraph has learnt that the £1.2 billion “e-borders” system was not designed with individuals who hold two passports in mind.

At present, dual nationals (who were born outside Britain) usually use the passport of their birthplace to go home and their British one to re-enter Britain. Travellers born in the US, for example, use their American passport when booking a flight from Britain and when entering and leaving the US – as required by US law – but a British passport on returning to Britain.

All travel plans to be tracked by Government

Internet records to be stored for a yearThe “e-borders” system will log passenger information according to the data provided by the airline, which in most cases will be from the non-British passport used for the outbound journey. As a result, a dual national – even if readmitted to Britain by an immigration officer on showing a British passport – could be registered as an alien with no more rights than any other tourist, and limited to six months in the country.

On a subsequent trip, such a person attempting to return to Britain could be recorded as having broken immigration law. An airline, under the “e-borders” system, would be denied permission to carry the passenger home. Even if a British passport were presented, it would have to be verified by the nearest consulate or by the Passport Agency in the UK.

Australians, Americans, New Zealanders, Canadians and South Africans who have adopted British nationality are among those likely to be affected. There are more than half a million people born in these countries in the UK.

Airlines are concerned about the “e-borders” system. “It was not designed for dual nationals,” an industry source said. “This really will create a challenge for the authorities. As things stand [people] will not be able to leave Britain on one passport and come back on another.”

A UK Border Agency spokesman said: “With dual passports, you need to use the passport you bought the ticket with; that is the passport that is registered with Advance Passenger Information. If you don’t use that passport, then you will not be able to travel.”

Comment: why the Government's e-borders system won't work

David Millward explains why the new e-borders system could result in travel chaos for dual nationality Britons.

When David Blunkett was Home Secretary, he seemed to be very keen to “persuade” long-term British residents to become citizens.

The aim was laudable, but the method he adopted has created a bureaucratic nightmare for thousands of people and indeed the current incumbent, Jacqui Smith.

For decades a foreigner with rights of residence carried a small stamp, denoting “indefinite leave to remain”.

In plain English it meant that even without holding a British passport, aliens could live and work in Britain – as well as paying tax, in fact everything but vote.

When a passport expired, the stamp would be put in the new one as a matter of course.

This would be done by an immigration officer at the airport on presentation of the old and new passport. It was also done free of charge.

Somewhat abruptly these stamps were withdrawn from airport immigration desks.

“Indefinite leave” could still be obtained, but this entailed either posting the passport to the Home Office – and doing without out it for several weeks.

The alternative was to pay for a premium service and get the stamp by going to the Home Office in person. The current charge for something which was once free is £500.

Instead thousands of people took the cheaper and more convenient alternative of adopting British citizenship and becoming dual nationals.

Up until now the system has caused no problems, with dual nationals presenting a British passport when they come to the UK, while also complying with the immigration requirements of the country of their birth.

E-borders will now make this horrendously difficult – and some think impossible.

Of course there is a very simple solution. That would be to return the indefinite leave stamps to airports and allow immigration officers to update the overseas passports – free of charge.

This would not only make life easier for tax-paying Britons who have settled here. But it would make the e-borders computer happy as well.

What other choice low income groups have?

its a fact of life the world over, low income groups have limited choice.

if a low income can get you all you want in life where is the incentive to work and increase your income?

i want a bentley but i can only afford a toyota, what should i do?

run crying to bentley demanding lower prices or settle for the toyota and save up for the bentley.

i agree that the pricing of many things here is too high, its probably taxation more than company policy though.

and i have little sympathy when billion dollar organisations grumble about losses due to piracy, but the fact is those companies have made the investment and done the hard work and they should be protected by law.

Most of us know what an average Thai can earn in his country.

if the thais devoted more energy to inventiveness and developing new products/software instead of just copying and pasting other peoples work then they might find they earn more money.

they are just short termist and lazy. preferring a dollar today than investing to get a million next year.

i am trying to clean my comp. of any possible viruses and malware that might be lurking.

i have avast and spybot search and destroy running in the background, but after an isolated incident of strange behaviour ( possibly the browser was hijacked) i was advised to run Dr. Web Cureit which found and got rid of a couple of trojans.

the computer is now working fine.

i have been looking on the web for ways to clean the computer and i found a site called "major geeks" which has a lot of advice devoted to cleaning windows.

it advises using 4 programmes (combofix, malwarebytes antimalware, MG tools, and superantispyware) to do once only scan sand remove anything it finds lurking.

it describes in great detail the procedures for using them but one or two of them seem a bit daunting for me ( i have little understanding of the terminology used or the workings of computers) and i wouldnt trust any of the local shops here to do it properly either.

are they worth using, or would it be overkill after the measures i have already taken.

i would do a format and reinstall , but i wouldnt know where to start.

thanks

Is that a helpful comment?

its straightforward advice gift wrapped in the painful truth.

if you cant afford to buy new furniture for your bungalow then you certainly wont be able to afford to pay lawyers to engage in what will turn out to be a very expensive wild goose chase.

all is over now. how nice for you to be exiled in a country where there is no question that some parliamentary posts will be by appointees, with no corruption, a fair police force tasked with and proud to be doing the job of keeping order, justice for all irrespective of colour of skin or shirt, good education systems allowing career moves for students who pass to move up the career ladder based on merit not family connections. your list is probably endless.

rome wasnt built in a day.

it will all come one day , but the next building block is abhisit and those pulling his strings, not a bunch of over-excitable club wielding and, lets be honest , none too bright country bumpkins led on by a megalomaniac with a telephone.

thaksin is increasingly beginning to resemble one of those "teetering on the verge of insanity" millionaire villains out of the james bond films who live in big rooms without windows at unknown locations and make pronouncements by videophone to their henchmen in the outside world.

these riots were inevitable and to be welcomed really. they redress the balance ( which had swung too far into the yellow) somewhat and will send out a warning to the yellows and those that fund and support them not to take anything for granted yet.

but the reds showed to the world that they are nowhere near fit to take charge yet. best they go home now and learn some manners.

the country is slowly ( very slowly) working its way to a true 2 party democracy.

i was surprised when the yellow shirts said that the reds were not educated enough to vote, i thought they were elitist remarks and to be taken with a pinch of salt.

but having spent most of the past few days watching the news i have to say that those comments had more than just a grain of truth .

the reds are no more than a bunch of straw chewing village idiots (they even come complete with protruding teeth and silly hats.)

nasty, violent and rowdy troublemakers , full of anger, empty of reason , they were easily bought , easily convinced to do wrong, it is good to see them, at last, defeated with heads held low, boarding the cattle trucks and trains that will take them back to their miserable little villages.

abhisit ? after a slow and disappointing first half in pattaya, he came out after half time full of determination and played a wonderful tactical second half to win the game.

i use the "remember" function when i log in so that i dont have log in every time i access thai visa, however sometimes now when i turn on my computer and go to thai visa i automatically get logged into the account of "nowgoal", i have to log out and then log in again under my own username.

why is this?

Ageed! Name your source.

god told him.

when the army move in those farangs will be the first ones up against the wall.

Good conference and hotel facilities within easy reach of the airport - seems sensible to me. It's not the venue, it's the poor security that was the problem. The disruption would have happened wherever they held it.

should have held it in hua hin again

they kept away from hua hin when the asean summit was held there 3 weeks ago.

i wonder why.

it seems as if the lunatics are now running the asylum.

a few minutes before the statement a red shirt leader spoke to the press from the lobby of the royal cliff hotel that they had stormed , saying that the government had one hour to arrest the men (blue shirts)who shot and wounded a taxi driver or they would storm the meeting itself.

i find it unbelievable that

1. the govt. chose to hold this meeting in a location like pattaya , so easy for the protesters to get there and assemble.

2. that the police and army could not secure the area where the meeting was to be held and prevent this disruption.

3. that the hotel security was breached so easily.

it is as if they wanted to let the red shirts win the day.

its very embarrassing for the country.

But there is a fine line between concern and invasion of privacy.

surely thai visa must have an e-mail address or mobile phone number for their moderators , if he isnt responding to e-mails or phone calls then i would think concern outweighs privacy

why did they not just secretly move the summit to another not so easy to access location

stupid is as stupid does.

My point is....where do you draw the line with your restricted voting privileges?

my point was made tongue in cheek.

the stupid unfortunately have voting rights just like anybody else , and anyway, one mans stupidity is another mans genius.

They slow down the voting line and block the booth.

but they do the pencil in the mouth thing just great, they should be able to tick the boxes in a jiffy once they get to the booths.

So you favor setting intelligence requirements on who is allowed to vote?

it is actually a good idea, but, sadly, unworkable in practice.

they should have it in many countries, not only thailand !!!!

in a country where money is the be all and end all of everything and morals and value have little, if any meaning it is not surprising that people will agree to do almost anything for money and can be bought for chump change.

a taxi driver was interviewed on thai news yesterday or the day before, she was involved in the taxi blockade. she said that she was offered 1000b to park her taxi to block the road and had no hesitation in accepting the offer. she had no allegiance to the red shirts but said "who wouldnt do it for 1000b"

endure

All for 3 times the minimum wage with free food too. Quite a bargain if you're starving and broke.

which is why there is some truth when it is said that these people are too stupid to be allowed vote in a democratic electoral process...... same with the yellows who took money to demonstrate.

a society as immoral and corrupt as thailands is just not ready yet for democracy as defined by western standards.

i would close this thread

i am surprised it has stayed open this long given that it consists mostly of information on how to bribe police and buy your way out of trouble on phangan.

sbk must be loosening up a bit.