Sunmaster

Thanks for the compliment. Appreciate it. We had some hard sparring in the past, but it was fun and helped me to understand many things. One of them was that intellectual understanding of the subjective world was not enough, and because of that I took up the practice of meditation. It's been 3 (or 4?) years now. Best decision ever. Hope you're well and continue to question everything...and I mean e v e r y t h i n g.

@Tippaporn I was just thinking... If we consider that religions or spiritual philosophies are basically maps for the individual to get rid of ignorance and reconnect with his true identity, then there is a very simple way to test that map's efficacy. How many have reached the intended destination using that map? In other words, how many people have reached liberation by following a certain path? I'm not talking about a better way to dream the dream, but a way to wake up from the dream. What is the purpose of Seth's teachings? To live a better life by recognising the power of thoughts and beliefs, or is there more? If there is more, then what does Seth's map say about it? And finally, if there is more and he provides directions to it, how many Sethians have followed those directions to the destination? PS: You'll have your hands full tomorrow morning. Hope your fingers won't overheat. 55 I won't have much time tmw as I have to drive to bkk to get my new passport at the embassy. Oh Joy.... 🙄😮‍💨

It doesn't matter if its 1 hour or 1 day.

This is funny. 🤣🤣 First of all, I don't have the burden to provide you or anyone with jack sht. Maybe you confuse me with someone who believes in a Godman sitting on a cloud. Second, are you saying you have no self? Wow! Are you a robot? An AI bot? 😂😂 Hey, prove to me that I am alive! And you say "incorporeal", as if there were a corporeal self. Where is this corporeal self? Can you point it out to me?

And not getting around of me not caring to provide you with proof of your own existence.

Like I said, it's up to you to find the evidence, for yourself, for your own benefit. Nobody forces you to look, nobody should ask anyone else for proof. You are your own proof. Self-Inquiry fulfills a need. If you don't have that need, fine. It doesn't make one bit of difference to me or anyone else. If that makes you jump up triumphantly and say "Hurray! I knew it. He can't give me evidence! The Self doesn't exist!", then so be it. ;-)

It doesn't. In fact I don't subscribe to the notion of a supernatural being or deity. I believe that by following consciousness to its source, you can find all the evidence you'll ever need. How can you find it? By practicing self-inquiry. That's all there is. Nothing supernatural about it. Quite the contrary....nothing more natural than consciousness. I have it, you have it, everyone has it. The idea of a personal God is, in my opinion, just a stepping stone to the realization that God and you (and all of us, and everything) are ultimately the same thing.

I'm not a theist and am as far removed from a "sky monarch" as you are. The only evidence I could point to is consciousness.

Well, you claimed you can't see the food that I can see. What makes you think that your vision is more accurate than mine? How is your vision the measuring staff upon all other visions have to be compared to?

You assume that because you can't see it, it isn't there. Yes, you may question the reason why you can't see it, but that doesn't give you the right to criticize or ridicule them. Maybe all the people sitting at that table see the same food he sees and wonder why the hell you can't see it. ;-)

Sounds about right. - Non-duality. So far I couldn't find a contradiction with Seth's material. If you could point out specific arguments, I'd be grateful. - Everchanging things have no existence on their own. Seth says the same thing. What appears to be solid is essentially a thought form where energy-consciousness passes through. But the same goes for "things" that are not solid, like the ego. The ego only appears to be real as long as the wind of consciousness fills its sails. If something (A) is only real as long as something else (B) gives it existence, then the logic conclusion is that that something else (B) is a necessity for the existence of (A). The ego (and with it all the material world) cannot exist without consciousness, but consciousness doesn't need the ego to exist. This is what is meant with Brahman being the ultimate reality. I don't subscribe to Advaita Vedanta as my sole source or map. In fact, after your research, you probably know more about it than I do. What I can see is that it offers a very practical and logical framework, with which it is possible to understand your true identity. It does so through self-inquiry and logical deduction. But it is only one of the maps that I use. One of the first and most helpful maps I encountered was Spiral Dynamics as presented by Ken Wilber. A great way to describe and categorize human and societal levels of development. It really helped me to understand many dynamics in society, but also in my own. Another map was Kriya Yoga provided by Paramhamsa Yogananda, who taught me how far the love for the Divine can go and how important daily practice is. Another map was Seth's material. I love the "no BS" approach, but to say that even a child could understand it, is a bit too much. 55. I often have to re-read entire paragraphs because of the over-convoluted sentences. Your writing style is very similar. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but I do like it very much. At one point I may have thought Spiral Dynamics was the best, or Kriya Yoga was the best or Advaita is the best. And they were. For me, at that time. They provided directions for places I was in at that particular time. Was one "The Best"? Of course not. Most of your reply is yet another love letter to Seth. I get it, it's a great map. But it's still only a map, not the territory. The territory has to be experienced, there are no 2 ways around it. That's why I asked that 3rd question. Without the direct experience of the territory, any map, as precise and beautiful as they may appear, is completely useless. I'm sure Seth would agree. Where do you get this notion from? Where do you see the "escaping our existence"? Advaita can not be considered to be a religion. It is more of a practical philosophy. Your belief is that all maps have distortions, except Seth's map. I think the very nature of a map is to have distortions, including Seth's. The only way to find out how many distortions and to what degree, is to walk the territory yourself. Before I started to meditate regularly, I looked into TM (Transcendental Meditation). The reason why I ultimately steered away from it, was the constant shilling of its members. "TM is the fastest, the best, bla bla..." To me it sounded just like what bible thumpers always say. Here lies the danger of elevating the map over the territory itself. And that's also the reason why I always ask for YOUR opinion, not Seth's. This we haven't established yet. Where you see irreconcilable differences, I see only not yet recognized commonalities. The free will argument comes to my mind. Some say it exists. Some say it doesn't. They are seemingly opposite propositions, irreconcilable.....until you include them in a bigger framework. Then both become true.

"resents an opposing view" LOL We've been discussing religion, spirituality, atheism and whatnot with all sorts of people for several years now. No resentment there. The bother starts when someone "joins" the conversation with the sole intent on disrupting it and disrespecting the member's beliefs. Imagine going to an opera, but there you insist on playing ghetto rap on your boom box. They will throw you out, correct? There is a place and a time for everything. Get your facts straight, Old Croc.

Both and more. First and formost direct experience, without which the arguments would be devoid of any real substance. This is then put into concepts and words with the help of logically structured philosophy. More later. Ciao

Happened to me. I went below for 300 baht for maybe half a day. They still said they couldn't accept it. My luck was that the dip happened very early in the 3 months period, so I just had to wait about 10 days and go back to immigration with the full 3 months. Without that, I would have been royally fragged. Good luck

No, let's be honest here. It's not what you said at all. Your comment implied I had the audacity to answer a question to which you don't know the answer to. But no problem. I will sleep well regardless whether you read the actual posts or not. See ya.

Take a deep breath and before you jump to conclusions, head over to the other thread, take some time reading through a few pages, and after that join the discussion if you feel like. BTW, the "proper answer" meant I answered in a civil manner to the best of my knowledge, as opposed to answering a troll question with a troll answer. Much, much wiser people than me have answered that question already, and much better than I ever will. If you or the rest of the world have not stumbled upon them, it's got nothing to do with me.

Sorry @save the frogs, I'm not splitting between this and the other thread. This here was meant as a lighthearted joke and hopefully get rid of the trolls on the other one. And for this reason I will stop posting here and leave the asylum to the inmates, so to speak.

There are no religious people posting in the "God thread" at the moment (in all the thread's history (3-4 years), I actually remember only 2 or 3 bible thumpers), only openminded people discussing life. So, if atheists have that particular question, they should ask religious people. OR, they could ask that question in a respectful and sincere manner, without resorting to trolling. In fact, the first time it was asked, I gave a proper answer, but that was obviously ignored in favor of more trolling.

You have no idea what you're talking about. But if it makes you happy, it's fine by me.

Weren't you the one professing the woke inclusiveness in another thread? A bit hypocritical, don't you think?

Again, I'm not religious and have no preference.

Not my story, not my religion. I don't follow any religion, yet I'm not an atheist. Actually, I don't really like organized religions and their dogmas, but I don't ridicule them. They are necessary for certain people and help them make sense of the world and themselves, and for that they deserve respect. Pointing out the obvious shortcomings of certain religions is fair, but without acknowledging also the good sides, is shortsighted and dishonest.

There you go.

I would change "most" with "some", but I think the rest is spot on.

Take it up with them then and don't troll an otherwise constructive discussion. If you had spent an equal amount of time reading the thread as you've been writing nonsense, you would have quickly found out that none of the regular posters are Christians or even religious at all, me included.