10 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

It cannot do harm regards the virus spread and hospital bed shortage but thats too short in my opinion, anyway I don't think they'll implement it according to this article.

 

"Dr. Taweesin Visanuyothin from the CCSA, however, said that although the CCSA and Bangkok Metropolitan Administration had heard proposals from doctors about a short lockdown of Bangkok they are so far against it but not for economic reasons. According to Dr. Taweesin, any sort of lockdown, even with an attempt to be strictly enforced with multiple checkpoints and controls, would still lead to many people fleeing the city to their home provinces or to places, not under lockdown, potentially spreading the Covid-19 disease further into parts of the country such as the Northeast where there were few, or in some cases no, confirmed cases in some time."

 

https://tpnnational.com/2021/06/23/leading-thai-doctors-suggesting-lockdown-of-bangkok-for-at-least-seven-days-but-covid-19-center-disagrees-so-far/

 

However I suspect if numbers continue like this they will have no choice as the hospitals will simply be overwhelmed.

 

So the guy from the CCSA is saying a lockdown would entice more people to flee Bangkok than it would if they kept things open?

I guess they have experienced that before.

Pretty hard to pay rent if you cant go to work, especially when they can stay at their family homes in Isaan for free.

So he has got a point there.

 

And has the Thai news and media been reflecting any concerns about hospitals being inundated? 

Im sure the army would have plenty of sites for the "field hospitals" if needed.

 

And there is obviously a big turnover of people that test negative each day and get released, so maybe not time to panic just yet.

 

 

On 6/15/2021 at 11:10 AM, rwill said:

"I'm not getting a vaccine.  It's too dangerous.", hops on motorcycle.

And..

hops on a motorcycle

drunk

no helmet

and goes home to a Thai girlfriend who suspects he's been out cheating on her

????????

 

3 hours ago, DerbyDan said:

another james bond thread...

 

your not getting anything living off usa soil.

Same with Australia, Brits and any so-called democratic place around the world.

 

You are a small minority,

Not really "voters" per se,

Therefore you are of no use whatsoever to politicians,

whose only concern is to get voted back in.

 

So to them you are the lowest of the low, for daring to have a life and not being part of the "working debt slave" system in your own country.

 

Look at Australia,

wont even let its citizens back freely,

but putting all sorts of caps and restrictions on those coming home, under the excuse of Covid.

 

Won't even let their citizens leave the country for that matter..

worried about the next election and of course, currency leaking out of the country that they think should be spent in Australia.

 

Disgusting really.

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I agree. At some point Thailand's reliance on tourism and tourism employment will force their hand to desperation. You cannot lose 20% or your GDP and connected tax collection for much longer - especially with borrowing hugely and basing repayments on opening the economy quickly.

 

Thailand always reports a ficticious 1-2% unemployment. That number is simply not feasible with a reported 6 million jobs lost. Has to be now a minimum of 10% easy. Indeed the only thing really keeping Thailand afloat is NOT paying a decent unemployment payment !

 

My thoughts on opening are.

1. They will try with phuket - wont work, tourists enough to boost economy wont come due to hoops.

2. They will rejig it for October- but tourists enough to boost economy wont come due to still too many hoops.

3. They will try again in December - with half the hoops - but not enough will come.

4. They'll reduce hoops again January - same result.

5. As they reach 2 years of tourism devastation, their hands will be forced to open fully without hoops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to think,

 it was only 2 short years ago they were denying folks entry at airports,

Thai Immigration officers saying

"You stay Thailand to long"

9 hours ago, Ron jeremy said:

Thailand has its allies , China and Russia to supply them! They want the commies? They can have them supply the vaccines!

another political win for Biden!

 

I really dont think it will mean much to him, even if he was made aware if it.

 

The guy believes he entered government 120 years ago.????????

18 minutes ago, Albert Zweistein said:

I fully agree with you. So far I have conviced 4 couples with total 5 children NOT to travel to Thailand this year, showing them the hoops they have to go trough and the risks you describe in your post. They all booked their vacation in other countries.

 

You have done well to sound the alarm.

 

Indeed, imagine suddenly testing positive and being dragged off to some "field hospital"..even if Asymptomatic.

 

I cant imagine anyone wanting to take on that risk, aside from all the other hoops.

I'd  really feel sorry for any traveller that doesnt know about this and gets caught up in it unawares.

 

Especially at the end when they go to charge you for the privelege, and you've missed your flight back home. 

What a nightmare.

 

9 minutes ago, balo said:

Wake me up when the world is back to normal, I am not a hostage. 

Really?

Everyone in the world is a hostage to this nonsense in some way.

 

You certainly are if you are Australian.

 

Prisoner maybe the more accurate word.

27 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Gov confident it can meet 120 day reopening goal

 

The same confidence that they had in the vaccine programme?

 

Thats luxury.

Try being in Australia with a P.M saying:

"closed for yet another 12 months"

 

We are not even allowed to travel out. ????????

2 hours ago, shackleton said:

Still can't see many tourists coming even if they can get alcohol 

Served in a restaurant 

who is going to come with the restrictions Quarantine measures still in place 

We will find out July 1st????

True.

I suspect it will only be those with wives/family/businesses trying to get back into Thailand.

I for one will not be, even though i lived there happily for many years.

 

Ironically,

i remember not long ago, folks were nervous about going through Don Muang,

where Immigration officers were denying people entry, saying

"You stay Thailand to long"

 

Oh my, how things change.

 

24 minutes ago, Petey11 said:

And how many more would have died had there been no lockdowns?

I cant see that it would be much different.

Unfortunately, obviously Covid has effected the most vulnerable. 

But if the case numbers had gone up it doesn't necessarily mean the death rate would have gone up?

and they are already talking a 99.7% recovery rate now.

 

 

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

Agreed. To date both have done well.
 

What’s missing is their end game. How do they transition from the current lockdown at an instant stance, to one where they aren’t always looking over their shoulder, and where people can move in and out of their country relatively freely.

 

They will have to address it eventually

 

Thats easy.

None of that will happen until

after the next election, as Morrison wont risk anything going sour before he tries to get re-elected.

He has banned Australians from even leaving the country for the past 15 months, and is now telling them to wait till mid next year...

Which (coincidence) is just about the timing of the next election.

 

And this staggering 12 month extension of jail sentance for us is coming at time when most of the world is thinking about opening up. 

pretty obvious whats going down.

 

So yeah, he is feathering his own nest and using Covid to do it.

 

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Standard right wing cost benefit analysis arguement. How about this. Manage the pandemic properly in the short term meaning circuit breaker lockdowns, mass testing and mass vaccinations then your points a. and b. become somewhat redundant. Interestingly the UK which was down to around 500 infections p/d is now with the spread of B.1.617.2 up to 11,000+ p/d. The UK had relaxed restrictions around the same time the delta variant arrived and is now looking at another full lockdown in a country that has vaccinated 80% of the population with one dose and 52% with two doses. Do you think the UK should bight the bullet and get on with it and the possibility of another full lockdown there is an over reaction? As for "You are gonna have Covid anyway" why? Smallpox eradicated. Polio eradicated. Measles, get a jab and you won't get measles. These are all viruses.

Yes but we tried this and that, and now it is 15 months later with economies in ruins and Covid thriving (apparently)

 

So where are we now after all the previous harsh lockdowns??

 

Back to where we started?

 

And who could think any different, with all boffins on the MSM  finding every possible excuse why nothing will work..

Stating because of new strains vaccines dont work..

people will still pass on the disease when vaccinated.

 

They keep giving us doomsday scenarios no matter what happens, so just open up and deal with it already.

Yes, large numbers have died. unfortunate. but they cant die twice

 

 

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

14-20k infections and 170-200+deaths a wk which hasn't changed for a couple of months since the situation was allowed to get out of control. Vaccination rate poor. B.1.617.2 now starting to circulate. My question is what is going to change in the next 4 months to allow full openning. 

Probably nothing.

But like me and a lot of other people keep saying..

You are gonna have Covid anyway.

 

So:

a. Have Covid, and learn to deal with it.

OR

b. Have Covid, and also have to deal with ruined economies, 100% of lives effected,

suicides, shortages in the food chain,  job losses...mass depression of people..

 

on and on it will go, if this is allowed to go on like this

 

Time to bite the bullet and get on with it, or just lie down and let Covid

(or over-reaction to it)

finish us off for good.

3 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

It’s just suicidal and grossly irresponsible to open up the country in 120 days while the capital has been unable to contain the latest outbreak and while there is a shortage of vaccine. I understand the economy is hurt and people are suffering but the country should only be opened with clear targets to be reached first such as % of population fully vaccinated and acceptable number of daily cases.

 

Why asking the opinion of a noodle vendor? Might as well Just go and get the opinion of girls who used to work in A Go Gos, massage ladies and bar girls. 

 

Well at least you know the incoming tourists have passed several negative tests and are clear of Covid.

 

You could be in a BTS/van/taxi/bus in Thailand with any old Somchai coughing all over you.

 

I know who id rather be sitting next to.

It can be opened as quick as closed. 

Just with the nod of one guy.

And whats the big deal letting in negative tested tourists anyway?

 when the supposedly worst strains are already present in Thailand.

 

In actual fact, any tourists coming from places like Australia are facing more of a risk to themselves by entering Thailand, rather than the other way around.

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Would this include the 20 year plan we heard of recently?

Well on one hand, to have one entity in power for 20 years (such as the Thai army)

 might be the ONLY way that 20 year sustainable plans can be made for the future.

 

We can see our so called western democracies have failed dismally at this, time and time again.

 They are living proof that politicians only plan for their time in office,

 and put ALL their energy into getting re-elected, at the expense of the future.

 

Nothing can ever change when its like this.

 

Look at Australia..

Morrison spends all his time saber rattling and scaring the people about a possible war from China.

Yet at the same time, at the G7,

he completely shuts up about the coal emission targets because China is his No.1 buyer of Australian coal.

What a farce.

 

And what a complete control freak fake he is.

He wont even let Australians out of the country, when the rest of the world is thinking about opening up ???? 

13 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

Well, as long as not everything is dusted and cleaned ....... still some funds here and there, and if that would not suffice then it is time to talk to the printers! 

None of my business, not my country but how come that +/- 70 million people can live with this for, meanwhile, generations. The pile of debt is mind boggling and will take years and years to pay back ......... 
 

I think its pretty obvious now, the idea of government debt being actual real debt that must be paid off is a complete fabrication.

The myth has been set up by reserve banks, that of course are run by the rich whom we know very little about.

 

Money gets printed out of nowhere for free, and supposedly "lent" to governments at miniscule interest rates.

 

Its an economic necessity that the idea of debt is drummed into the public as it is the working poor that keeps the system going.

 

After all, they cannot have the plebs asking:

"why the หeแ should we pay back our home loans, when governments and rich people create money out of thin air for free..

AND governments and countries never pay back debt, so why should I ???"

 

If you dont believe it, around 20 or so years ago there was supposed to be such a thing as a "debt crisis summit" 

to address the massive debt being racked up.

Since then we did not hear any mention of this "summit" findings, only they have been printing money as fast as they can ever since.

 

Australia is a prime example.

We were told the country was in massive debt before, but looking at its Covid stimulus response and the massive amounts of money handed out

willy-nilly,

its clear the government doesnt view money as something that has to be paid back.

Yet we hear the same rubbish from the pollies:

"our kids will be paying for this for years"

 

Yet they have deliberately kept interest rates near zero,

so more people borrow?

does it make sense?

Of course they must allow more borrowing for the real estate market to keep the economy going, since median house prices will soon be a million bucks.

 

While at the same time banks have been excused of paying interest on peoples savings...

another sector of the working public thats being slowly bled dry.

The old. who can no longer work will be forced into debt also.

 

And for sure there is no end in sight when house prices are in the millions.

How will the blessed real estate industry sustain that without more massive borrowing?

Since real wages havent gone up in 20 years.

 

Making it worse, more businesses will fail in the future because of their Covid response of shutting everything down.

 

Trying to make sense of what they are doing and it makes no sense at all, only that all these band-aid fixes cannot last.

 

If it was indeed true that things were as bad as they led us to believe before,

then surely this Covid response that is destroying economies everywhere must be the final nail in the coffin for many countries.

So how did they know these people have cancelled?

Are they in constant contact?

 

And by that point, how did they even know that people were coming to start with?

 

And who in their right mind books a flight, prepares to jump through all the Thai hoops, and then cancels it all a few weeks later?

 

Reading between the lines im guessing Thai airlines have reported there are not enough tickets sold to make it viable,

and this is the start of some desperate "face-saving" measures.

4 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

seems to be a recurring problem in Thailand to find the owners

 

Sounds like the old Thai Visa cliche posters have been BS'ing...

The ones who are always banging on about owning a business and the handing over of "brown paper bags"..

 

If the BiB are supposedly always running about collecting tea money, then you'd think they would know all the owners of these places in their own district.

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

 

 

Perfect description and I wish the media and doctors would just keep it simple.  

 

I do like being around fat people that are cool with being fat and enjoy its benefits.  Might not end well but it seems fat people keep getting older.  Sometimes when running by Dunkin donuts and watching fat people eat big delicious donuts and gulp down chocolate drinks, it crosses my mind that I might be the idiot.

 

I think fat people tend to look younger.

But when a few associates drop dead in their 60s it makes you think again.

They only look 40, but dead at 55-60.

 

I wouldn't my healthy lifestyle for all the McDonalds and donuts in America.

 

And of course obesity leaves you open to all sorts of health issues later on and ive seen quite a few lately having to get feet amputated.

No thanks!

 

And with the Virus hoo-haa, It will only be a matter of time before insurance companies start seriously upping policy costs on the obese.

 

If you are the 1% of Covid patients that die, then you are either at old age or with pre-existing conditions and most of them are conditions from being fat.

 

So im not sure what the benefits are?

 

Now that i am tuned to a decent diet, i find heavy, fatty, deep fried stuff actually makes me feel a bit depressed, so thsnkfully its a no-go.

 

Many herbs and greens they are now saying can be a mood stimulant, so it all makes sense to be healthier.

 

Not nice to say, but its been the greed for money that been our downfall to a larger extent of society,

but now it seems we are being held accountable for our greed and gluttonous lifestyles.

Many questions here about why the son did/didnt do this and that.

For mine, i imagine most people aren't generally criminal masterminds,

but if the son had mischief in mind,

surely he would do it where they live or at least somewhere private where there are no witnesses or people wandering around.

 

A resort or any other public place must be the highest risk place of being caught. 

People with money, good education are not usually that stupid, at least not when it comes to dubious dealings.

On 6/8/2021 at 3:52 PM, BritManToo said:

1) Yes, if you're prepared to work cheap enough.

2) Probably not, usually only the first row are interested.

3) No chance at all in avoiding boredom and absurd requests.

 

And:

4) You will often be under pressure to pass lazy students that would normally be un-passable anywhere else.

 

That's just the way it is, I had no problem going with the flow myself,

but noticed a few of the

"save the world" American types that weren't very comfortable with it.

 

Also, your former teaching experience was probably with students who had some level of ability at English.

 

Many Thais will have zero ability at understanding you and your accent, so that can be a big challenge.

Sometimes even the Thai English teachers are nowhere near basic conversational level themselves.

Many will not speak one word of English at all in lessons, and basically explain in Thai and work from written formulas on the blackboard.

 

I know i sound negative, but i have noticed the talk on the forums here, the foriegn teachers taking the approach that you must be a "paid clown"

and just play English word games to keep Thai students attention.

 

Trouble with that is that is, students can lose respect for you pretty quick.

Which often results in "talk" and backstabbing from/between foriegn teachers.

 

I know im just giving you the bad side here, of course there is the good as well, but i went one year and was pretty much done with it myself

 

I cant imagine what it would be like now, with all the Covid B.S as yet another hurdle and distraction,

 

but good luck for you.. 

 

You are obviously properly trained and have experience at the job, which is a lot more than many that "teach"  English in Thailand.