FarFlungFalang

53 minutes ago, rott said:

A simple or simplistic question, is it possible to have Covid if your temperature is never above 36.5.?

Interesting question.Covid is the disease you develop after being infected with the Sars Cov 2 virus and a disease is diagnosed based on symptoms, now we know many people can test positive for Sars Cov 2 and not have any symptoms so those people would technically not be diagnosed as having Covid.If you don't have a temperature but display other symptoms and test positive for Sars Cov 2 then you could be classed as having Covid, so it seems to be possible to have Covid without an above normal temperature. 

7 hours ago, smedly said:

well it would be useful to know the vaccine and health status of those that have made up these numbers 

Below is a graph posted in an ABC article today showing excess deaths in Australia in recent years and shows 2017 had significantly more deaths that was attributed to the flu than the 22,000 covid deaths over the past 2 years.I must be missing something because I don't remember there being much of a hoo haa made about the deaths from the flu that year or any lockdowns or vaccine mandates.I wonder if Thailand might have a similar story?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-08/australia-covid-19-deaths-and-mortality/100857462

26 minutes ago, nakhon thai said:

Aussies and indians????

And Aussie cricketers.Shane Warne has died on Koh Samui!

On 2/26/2022 at 4:35 AM, mickj88 said:

3, The current government are mostly military men not buisnessmen so have absolutely no idea how to juggle the finances, i.e. we have got money lets buy some tanks  and submarines etc, not lets invest into the people 

These guy's are expert financial jugglers, some of the best in the world at juggling the countries finances into their offshore accounts.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And what do you think determining the source will tell us?

The structure of the original virus has been completely mapped as well as its variants. What therapeutic benefit is there in knowing where it came from?

Dunno. Why don't you ask the experts who put so much effort into finding the origin of not only this virus but all the others they put so much effort in finding the source of?

"Although great progress has been made in understanding the epidemiology, virology, immune response, and clinical outcomes of this disease 1 year after the start of the pandemic, the origin of the virus remains unresolved."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8057312/

8 hours ago, xylophone said:

Read and learn...............

 

Coronaviruses are zoonotic, meaning they are transmitted between animals and people.

 

Detailed investigations found that SARS-CoV was transmitted from civet cats to humans and MERS-CoV from dromedary camels to humans. Several known coronaviruses are circulating in animals that have not yet infected humans.

So where did SARS CoV 2 come from?Where are the detailed investigations that show this?That's great that you mentioned some diseases that have known origins but can you do the same for the virus in this current pandemic?

4 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

BA.1 and BA.2

Sounds about as deadly as Bananas in pyjamas!Oh Morgan what are you doing?

On 2/25/2022 at 7:13 AM, Danderman123 said:

How do you expect the government of Thailand to find the origin of Covid?

 

yeah, the guy who posted about finding the origin of Covid (below) died from Covid.

 

 

 

What makes you think I expect the Thai government to do anything about finding the origin of covid?If I did expect the Thai government to find the origin of covid it would be because the Thai government is the best in the world at everything, it would be a piece of cake for them but like the rest of the world they don't want to, like Jim Jordan says why is that?I'll tell you why they don't and that is they think it's not important.The governments in the world just don't think it's that important to find out why 6 million have died from covid so that they might stop it from happening again.Why don't the world's governments care about trying to stop something like this happening again?Why isn't the mainstream media asking these questions?Why aren't you asking these questions Danderman?Don't you care enough that 6 million people have died from covid to find where it originated so we can stop it happening again?Or would you rather blame the unvaxxed for the pandemic?

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Carley Simon said it best with this song she sang many years ago.

 

A legend in your own time

 

But you're a legend in your own time
A hero in the footlights
Playing tunes to fit your rhyme
But a legend's only a lonely boy
When he goes home alone.

I'm a legend in my own mind!

1 hour ago, rumbo1 said:

 

That seems like the work of a legend to me.

On 2/17/2022 at 5:28 PM, connda said:

And replaced with PM Anutin? 

At least with A Nut In charge I might be able to punch a few cones!I'd vote for that kind of nut!

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Excellent, another page for me to provide to the courts for my 5 year old daughter to claim asylum in the UK !

One definition of "asylum"

"an institution offering shelter and support to people who are mentally ill"

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=asylum+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

50 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Does the same logic work for pregnancy tests ? You only have a baby if you do a test, otherwise no test then you are not pregnant ?

Does the same logic work for pregnancy tests ?If you can't answer that then you might consider claiming a refund on your education expenses because they seemed to have had little to no promising results.

People only get covid if they test.If you don't test you get a cold or flu.I never tested so I didn't get covid but I did get a cold or flu.If people want to stop the spread of covid then stop testing for it.

11 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Oh come on, A Thai doctor earning £4.5 million in the remainder of his life ? Sound more ego than reality

Our local Doctor in Yasothon built a 50 million baht traditional Thai teak house that nobody lives in, it's just a show piece in the middle of nowhere surrounded by rice paddies and he is filthy rich so 72 million baht doesn't sound unrealistic. 

24 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

I wasn't commenting on the poll results or the airplane travel issue at all. Just explaining the facts related to the risk differences between being fully (3 dose) vaccinated vs unvaccinated...  Since some posters above seemed to be under the misimpression that there's no difference between the two.

 

Cool I was a bit worried for a second.There's also a difference between unvaccinated with a prior infection and unvaccinated without a prior infection and I feel it would be nice if there was a better term or phrase that could be used that accommodated this difference.It will be interesting to see just how long a previous infection protects against serious illness and death when the dust finally settles.

2 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

One blatant COVID misinformation post has been removed, along with several others misrepresenting information about COVID vaccines.

 

According to the latest research, people who are fully vaccinated with a recent 3rd mRNA booster dose are much less likely to contract even the Omicron variant versus the unvaccinated.

 

And, if you don't contract the virus in the first place because of effective/recent vaccination, then the people in the fully vaccinated and boosted group are less likely to spread it to others.

 

No, the current mRNA vaccines do not prevent catching the coronavirus 100%. But effective vaccinations with a booster lessen the odds greatly vs the unvaccinated. And of course, the vaccines also greatly reduce the chances of hospitalization and death.

 

 

Are you hinting that people with less than 3 jabs, and the 3rd must be recent, should be seated in a seperate area of the plane?

14 minutes ago, Scott said:

It's not about what you do or do not believe.  It is about facts, mathematics and probability:

 

Viruses mutate at a predictable frequency. We use that predictable mutation rate to determine where a virus came from, and how long ago it emerged. 

The ability of the SARs-CoV-2 virus to mutate and create new variants is mostly dependent on the amount of virus replicating. In other words, when there are more people infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, there is more possibility for mutations to occur and new variants to arise. 

 

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/are-leaky-vaccines-causing-the-new-covid-19-mutations

 

Another method of mutation is antigenic drift.  

 

The 'error editing' function keeps in relatively stable with regard to mutations, but like most things, it is far, far from perfect.   Compare any of the coronaviruses to something like the HIV virus and you can see the difference.  Mutations occur exponentially more in HIV and that is one reason that they evade vaccines so well.  

The link says they can determine where a mutation came from yet the best the can do is say where it was first detected and yet they don't state where any mutation actually came from.Why is that?If they say they can determine where the mutation came from why don't the say where they came from?Sounds to me they are not willing to say with any certainty where the mutations came from because the don't "know" for a fact where they came from and they can't scientifically prove where they came from.You talk about facts, maths and probability yet the best probability can do is say something maybe more likely to occur which still sounds like guessing to me.Knowing the probability of heads or tails doesn't mean the next toss can be predicted.

Therefore I conclude that we will indeed have to live with unvaccinated people here in Thailand just as they have decided to do in Denmark and Sweden which, to me, is a sensible decision to make.

31 minutes ago, Scott said:

In spite of what we may think, mutations are predictable and occur at a level that can be mathematically calculated.   When a large number of people are vaccinated, the number of infections drop -- whether it is 50% effective or 90% effective, the number drops.  In vaccinated people there is generally less replication of the virus and with it less of a chance of a mutation occurring.  

 

The fewer the infections, the fewer the mutations.  The less time that people are infected, the fewer the mutations.  The less viral load overall during an infection, the fewer the mutations.  

 

If mutation predictions are based on the number of infections how does one predict the number of infections?I don't remember anyone predicting infections like the ones we are seeing from Omicron and I vaguely remember some saying corona viruses don't mutate often which was maybe because the didn't really understand what they were capable of.

Sorry I just can't swallow your statement that mutations are predictable.I also don't believe scientist and medical experts actually know why this these viruses behave the way they do nor do I believe they know how they behave the way they do.

You make statements like   "In vaccinated people there is generally less replication of the virus and with it less of a chance of a mutation occurring."Yet it is the random nature of mutations that is the problem as they don't know where they occur or why they occur so I can't see how they are predictable as you claim they are.

8 minutes ago, Scott said:

Comparing Covid to hunger is like comparing Covid to Road fatalities.   One has no comparable relationship to the other.   Hunger is not a disease.  Hunger does not spread through the air.  

 

I don't know any countries that have returned to normal.  There is more to normal than not wearing a mask or being quarantined.  Do these normal countries have supply chain problems?   If you are referring to Europe, they certainly do.  

 

Stemming from the pandemic, there has been a worldwide shipping container shortage, coupled with COVID-19-related shutdowns in major European port cities such as Hamburg, which have disrupted supply chains across the EU retail sector.

 

https://www.edesk.com/blog/european-supply-chain-crisis/

 

I do believe, however, that we are digressing from the OP. 

They both share deaths as a result and hunger causes more deaths than covid with is comparable as I have shown by comparing the numbers of death from both causes.You may say the are not comparable, you are free to do so as I'm free to disagree.I'm comparing the numbers of deaths by each cause I'm not comparing the causes of deaths as you seem to try and suggest I'm doing by saying what you said.I'm comparing the severity of the problems and the attention each are receiving from the media and saying it's not equatable based on the severity of each problem.

I fail to see the reason you say hunger is not a disease and doesn't float in the air since I have said neither of these things and they seem to have no relevance to what I'm saying. 

Denmark and Sweden are returning to normal and have drop all restrictions apparently.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I suggest you do some research on that, I am talking about the Variants of concern that have arisen.

 

1.Alpha (Sept 2020) occurred before vaccinations although now taken off the list of variants of concern due no longer circulating. First detected in the UK, Kent to be precise.

2. Beta (Sept 2020) occurred before vaccinations first detected in South Africa

3. Gamma (Dec 2020) occurred before vaccinations first detected in Brazil

4. Delta (Dec 2020) occurred before vaccinations first detected in India

5. Omicron (Nov 2021) first detected in SA where vaccination levels were very low just 42 doses have been administered per 100 people

Suggest away but you seem to have beaten me to it well done!So how does this prove that mutations don't occur in vaccinated people?By saying that mutations occur in unvaccinated people doesn't prove they don't also occur in vaccinated people does it?

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First off, what makes your argument about hunger so nonsensical is that unless you can somehow prove that the money spent on fighting covid came from funds that would have been spent on fighting hunger, it's utterly immaterial. And given that the amount spent on fighting covid is miniscule compared to what is spent on, say weapons, why target covid spending at all?

Yes I agree what you have stated is your opinion to which you are entitled.

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Also, that figure of 6 million you cite is based on official govt figures.

Yes maybe I should have based it on some made up number.

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nor does it take into account the larger number of people who suffer from long covid. What's more, now it looks like that covid patients who are considered to have recovered,  are subsequently coming down with all sorts of cardiovascular illnesses at a rate much higher than the unafflicted.

No I don't take this into account I'll leave that one to you as you do a much better job of taking it into account than I do.

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok if you must compare, then the covid situation is suffering also with vaccine equity and if it had been distributed on a fairer basis and patients not forced then the vaccination status throughout the world would have been far higher and the pandemic would be coming to an end faster and with less likelihood of further mutations.

 

The mutations so far have arisen either before vaccinations were available or in countries where covid vaccination was low.

 

Now lets get back to the subject which is covid and vaccinations/unvaccinated shall we?

Do you know if mutations occur in vaccinated people with breakthrough infections?Has it been proven where the mutations originate?So far it seems that the origin of mutations is still a bit of a mystery it's seems to more of a guessing game at the moment.I suspect it's quite possible that mutation have just as much chance of occurring in vaccinated people so using the mutation argument as reason for being vaccinated is just an opinion and not based in scientific proof. 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

People suffering from hunger is a lack of equity in the world due to unfair wealth distribution and many other factors including inequalities of social, political, and economic power. It has little to do with Covid and just a failed distraction.

I say it's a comparison with a more severe cause of deaths with 3 times the number of covid deaths for some perspective and you say it's a failed distraction yet you fail to back up you claim without any form of argument so I'm inclined to dismiss your claim as a failed distraction on the grounds of lack of a coherent argument.When I compare 18 million deaths from hunger to 6 million deaths from covid I draw the conclusion that hunger is a bigger problem especially when 6 million of the deaths from hunger are children.

Yes it's true I didn't bother with taking into consideration why Israel is having more deaths after it's vaccination effort because my point was that it is suffering more deaths after its vaccination effort.I'll leave the explaining why this is so to you because you may feel it's important to do so.