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46 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Roads around us look pretty empty today, it would appear that those that wanted to leave have and then one has to wonder where did they go since the holiday tomorrow was canceled, but then this is a soft lockdown.

It definitely a soft lock of a lockdown implement by a bunch of soft locks. ( sorry for the spelling error).

51 minutes ago, dan42 said:

Myammar around 8% fatality rate...That's horrendous... God know what's going on there...

Don't you think that might be a testing and counting anomaly?

46 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

Five million doses.  To be delivered.. next year.  

Now that bears repeating.  Next year.  

One might surmise that the bubble and seal until herd immunity method of containing the pandemic is the preferred option for the whole country.Good to see the numbers have stabilised.

Is Thailand in danger of not surviving the pandemic?I must have missed the headline "Thailand in danger of not surviving the pandemic."

4 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Precisely this.

If the numbers are "out of control" it means they're out of any means to control them, so why lockdown when the numbers can no longer be controlled?

7 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

His credibility has taken a hit this last little while as far as I am concerned.

The guy is Dick Barrow what do you expect from a shoe licker.

8 minutes ago, Damrongsak said:

It does help with social distancing. 

Whose going to volunteer for the study is what I would like to know.

With the R0 value of the delta strain said be up to 5 it's hard to see total cases numbers not reaching 20,000 in the next couple of days.Even at Alpha R0 of 3+ or even 1 given that todays number is above 15,000.

22 minutes ago, 2 is 1 said:

If somebody who dont know, ask me how to describe leaders in Thailand i need to use google!

But if they are both what can do! This is what google say, I put search "difference between idiot and fool!:

As nouns the difference between idiot and fool

is that idiot is (pejorative) a common term for a person of low general intelligence while fool is (pejorative) a person with poor judgment or little intelligence.

 

Only question is how Thai junta be same time both!?

 

Perfect practice makes perfect.

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

People here often ask what the government could do to help stop the spread of the virus, here is an obvious tactic:

 

Require construction sites and factories to test new employees 24 hours before they start work.

Do you mean each and every day they start work?Do you realise that would require processing millions of tests each and every day?

13 minutes ago, DavisH said:

And it must be faeces from more than one. Random sewage samples would be highly unlikely to be positive based on only one infected person. 

Are you speaking with any sort of experience or knowledge of the subject or just hypothesising?Remember that one individual can shed trillions of viral particles in one dump.They can also be testing anywhere within the system and don't have to test just at the treatment plant.

4 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Geez move on. With zero thought I would off top of head suggest.

No restrictions for trucks. Excluding any carrying passengers.

Strick form to fill in for inter provience travel. Meaning strick reason for essential travel. Currently basically zero reason required.

Anyone catching a bus must have clearance form for reason to travel.

Checkpoints.

No domestic flights (which basically they have done) 

Simple list with few examples for starters. I'm sure you get the drift. Perhaps add few more yourself. It's not difficult.

Read it few times if required.

 

 

As they say it only takes one infected person to spread the virus so how does these suggestions of yours detect who is carrying the virus?Any one of the truck drivers or delivery people or people traveling for any number of valid reasons can carry the virus and transmit it somewhere else.I fail to see how filling a form in an app or a paper permission slip does this.I do get your drift completely but I think you've missed mine which is (ok I'll drop the very easily part) how does this stop the spread?You've not mentioned an form of testing of these people to see if they are infected or not.That would not be easily achieved especially if they have to wait for results, which would be one of my suggestions.Perhaps buy about a couple of hundred million self test kits so that it wouldn't be a burden on the current testing regime and a lot faster.With some imagination an effective system could in time and a great deal of work and difficulty could be implemented.Something I imagine would certainly not be a thing "very easy" to do wouldn't you agree.The flaw in this system is if the spread is as out of control as it is at the moment I would see it as virtually impossible to set up a system of restrictions that would come remotely close to being effective at stopping the spread without totally strangling the movement of crucial supplies wouldn't you agree?Now do you get "my" drift?  

4 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Days before the recent outbreak in Adelaide Australia, the SA Health Dept detected virus in an Adelaide suburb sewage catchment.

 

Sadly, they did not act upon it, thinking it was from an previously quarantined infected overseas traveller.

 

The traveller had been recently released from quarantine, no longer infectious after swabbing negative numerous times, and lived in that area.

 

Evidently virus can be detected in your faeces weeks after officially being declared virus free with negative nasal swabs.

And now they are in lockdown.Having spent several years as a survey assistant constructing a water and sewerage reticulation scheme I know it's not that difficult to test upstream to locate the source.

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

My comment was in reference to inter provience travel in particular. 

That is easy to do.

The current 'restrictions' for inter provience travel are virtually non existent.

Have you read or looked at form for travel. Even the 'reason' field is optional.

You refer to Oz (not me). Try traveling from one state to another in a lockdown. No chance.

No need to outline how to prevent inter provience travel in Thailand. It's management control 101.

"Very easy actually."This is your reply saying that it is very easy to implement an "effective" travel restriction.I ask how you would very easily implement an effective travel restriction, provincial or other, remembering that crucial supplies must be maintained in and out of Bangkok.You don't seemed to have satisfactorily supplied your very easy method.I did mention OZ and those that ordered it and those that implemented it said it was extremely difficult.In the case of the Vic "ring of Steel" the police have said they don't want to do it again because it was too difficult.In the case of the Thai provincial restriction would you say that it's effective?Sure it's easy to say there are restrictions in place but can supply any evidence of their effectiveness?Can you say that it was easy for anyone to order and enforce even the limited restrictions that are now in place?Management control 101 you say but is it effective management control 101 or is it a sad joke?

28 minutes ago, anchadian said:

No single digits reported for about 4-5 days.

3 hours ago, smedly said:

it was also recently reported that farting in a confined space could spread covid from an infected person - I kid you not, studies are now being carried out 

I think I raised this issue recently.I also watch the vid posted here (it was promptly deleted) made by the Foreign Correspondence Club Thailand and one of the guests was the Doctor who pioneered the testing of sewage systems to detect the virus early and he said studies show that the virus can be detected in 24 to 48 hours after infection which is much quicker as the body begins to shed the virus through fecal matter much earlier than the onset of symptoms.Of course I was not taken seriously by fellow forumites.So it's interesting to see it is being taken seriously by other more intelligent folks.  

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Very easy actually.

And?Oh I see it's very easy to say it's very easy.Please elucidate for it would be very easy to inform the global community on your very easy method of containing the spread of this virus.It maybe a little late for this pandemic but it may come in handy for the future pandemics.As it stands now nearly every country in the world has tried various methods and failed.Australia is one example of achieving some success and is being watched closely to see if they can still pull it off.Please don't leave out any of the finer details of your plan on how to implement such an easy method that has eluded some of the best minds in the world. 

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

We don't need testing to tell us that things were a lot better than. Hospital ICU units and critical care beds weren't in short supply.

So can you tell me how far wide the wuhan strain spread, the strain that didn't transmit half as much as the Alpha UK strain of which the Delta strain transmission is three times more contagious again?We were talking about how far the original strain spread not what effect it had on the health system.So without testing tell me how far the original strain spread.Don't go off on some tangent about ICU units and critical care beds try and stick to the point of our discussion which is how far the virus spread.  

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

They managed it pretty well for a month around April 2020

You mean when they weren’t testing?

22 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

That's what happens when you don't restrict travel outside of cluster areas.

Travel routes are like veins and arteries and enough has to get through to keep things alive.It's easy to say restrict travel but there's an awful lot the is necessary travel required and it's not so easy to have an effective system put in place to filter the flow and provide enough flow to keep things going.Bangkok relies on supply from around the nation to stay alive what effective system of restrictions do you have in mind and how would you implement it in an effective way in a short space of time? 

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

15,335 Cases today and 129 deaths 

Going down then, it's peaked and the restrictions are working, job well done!My mistake I thought we'd already reached 16,000 it must be too early.  

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Sweden's government is recommending wearing face masks on public transport during the rush hour, reversing its earlier Covid guidance.

A recommendation is not a regulation.

16 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

So you have to wonder why the allotments that were paid for by folks already as reserved were cut,  and why refunds are being given. On top of that how do they decide who gets cut from getting a vaccine and receives the refund.

I would guess that being a for profit organisation I would say they had some better offers and made some more money.