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11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The question is how many folks will be left waiting for help after testing positive and may pass away at home and still not he included in numbers.  This is just a game to this government. Look at all of the vaccine donations now rolling in to the supposed bankrupt Thailand 

It's a bit like one the beggars my wife knew on the corner of Sukhumvit and Asoke who at 5 O'clock each afternoon changes into his good clothes and drove home in his Benz.

8 hours ago, anchadian said:

We are already aware of this, so nothing new although I was given to understand that the workers would be re-tested using the RT-PCR method?

 

Do you remember this story from last week about 3,481 workers at a chicken processing plant in Phetchabun testing positive for #COVID19? A number of villagers also tested positive. A cluster that size should have been front page news. But nothing. Why? [1/2]

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1420384123097518092

Days have gone by & the 3,481 workers in Phetchabun haven’t yet been added to the tally. Why? It now seems to be because they were tested, like 1,000’s of others, with Antigen Test Kit. And apparently, as this is not seen as reliable, the results are not added to the statistics.

I wouldn't be surprised if these Antigen Test Kits are not one of the restrictions to reduce reported numbers.Testing using these test kits can be increased so that the official reported numbers can be controlled, it's just more of the smoke and mirrors on which this so called government is based.

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think the operative term in your comment above is you would "guess."  Curfew and lockdown restrictions don't have any impact on the numbers of sick people who decide to seek out medical treatment, which also hit a record high number today, and that's even with hospitals in Bangkok beginning to refuse to treat/admit new walk-in patients.

 

Today's record spike in self-referred COVID cases (the blue portion of the chart below at 13,447) is HUGE!  The portion found from outreach testing (the chart portion in yellow) is not so much different than what it's been on a day to day basis.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/374591380825859/?type=3

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about those sorts of restrictions I'm talking about the restrictions on the reporting of positive tests there are many restrictions not all of them are so obvious and not all of them are subtle.

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Gotta say, I was SHOCKED when the detailed province by province numbers came out this afternoon.

 

Early this morning, when we just had the raw national totals, I had assumed / guessed today's new 16,000+ new case daily high was because the government had finally gotten around to officially including the reported 3,000+ positive cases from the weekend at the chicken plant in Phetchabun.

 

But as noted above, NO, few if any of those 3,000+ cases seem to have been reported thus far. And instead, a lot of today's increase was instead driven by a record high number of new cases reported in Bangkok (3,997), which suddenly blew past the province's prior record high of 3,191 daily cases from July 10.

 

In a similar vein, rather than being chicken plant cases, the national total also shows a record high number of walk-in cases (where sick people are seeking out their own treatment) at 13,447. The highest number for that I can recall seeing lately was 11,759 on July 25.

 

All of the above is a BAD sign... with the reported 3,000+ Phetchabun cases presumably still kicking around somewhere waiting for their ***** to hit the fan.

 

See the restrictions are working to bring down the reported number of positive tests as has been the case for quite a while now.I would guess that by now the numbers would be well over 20,000 per day if the R0 value of 5 is anything to go by.If 15,000 people times 5 isn't higher than 20,000 then something fishy is going on.

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

I don’t actually see that planting rice would infringe any Covid restrictions to be honest. I have several rai in Udon which is farmed by a neighbor on our behalf and I’m not aware that Covid has had any impact on their planting. I get a third of the crop once it’s grown, which I usually give away to my wife’s expended family. 

 

I would suggest that it is entirely possible to plant rice and remain Covid safe. 

I would say that even if a lockdown was implemented around here farming would be classified as an essential service, because essentially people would starve and the Thai billionaires would go broke and the authorities would have a fight on their hands which is probably why there is lockdown hesitancy.The economy it seems is more important around here than covid.Plus Prayuth isn't the only Thai with a "what ever will be will be" attitude in fact I would say it's the prevailing attitude in Thailand.

1 hour ago, ourmanflint said:

I wonder how many Thai's go around saying "let's just get on with it and so what if thousands of people die"? 

The arrogance on display here at times is mind boggling. People come first, not business, and not the economy, Thailand should do all it can to protect and save as many people as it can from serious illness and death, no matter the cost to the economy as a whole.

Economies can bounce back, but they cannot bounce back without people. Those clamouring for an end to lockdowns for their own personal benefit are some seriously messed up individuals. 

 

My wife and just about everyone around here couldn't care less about what covid does or how many die from it because they are all too busy trying to survive and there is nothing they can do to stop it.You could say they could do lockdown but it's rice planting season and if they don't plant the rice they don't eat for a year and that is less important than doing a lockdown.

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

You may not have thought this through. 

 

What you are saying is that a lockdown may be so effective that Covid deaths are lower than deaths from causes other than illness. And you think that is a bad things. 

That man that cries foul when others twist his words, if you can read you will see he says deaths due to lockdown and not deaths from causes other than the illness

1 hour ago, worrab said:

But Sinovac is still under review. Not supported by WHO. Not acceptable to many countries as being counted as vaccinated. No real testing has been done regarding Sinovac followed by AZ despite that wishy washy report today. Not supposed to be gioven to over 60s. Need I go on. We have every right to opt for what is considered to be the best option. Hence my wait for Moderna. None of this would have needed to be discussed if the Thai authorities had ordered the vaccines last year instead of resting on their laurels. 

Of course you have every right to choose what vaccine you wish to have, I haven't said otherwise I'm just asking a question.Recently an article said 600 medical staff tested positive I'll ask how many died?How many of those dying recently have been vaccinated with sinovac?Until we see this type of data we don't know one way or the other how well sinovac stops deaths and serious illness.Experts here in Thailand says that sinovac works well at preventing serious illness and death, are we not supposed to listen and trust the experts?If not who?Is it only some experts we should listen to?If so which experts should we listen to?Who decides which experts we should listen to and trust?

The point of my original question was about risk assessment something most of us do each day and what risks we are able to accept and are we willing to say we will accept a certain level of risk.The poster I asked this elected not to say that he was prepared take a risk of endangering peoples lives by not accepting the sinovac jab.He could have said as much but choose not to, fair enough, because it's a touchy subject though I'm not sure why it is a touchy subject, maybe because people are apprehensive about how they will be judged as there seems to be a lot of judgemental things being said in the last 18 months.Soon people will be told how much risk they will be asked or told they have to accept by those governing people.

4 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Good work on the lockdowns. But how is his vaccination program going? That is the biggest part of dealing with the pandemic.

He is on a winner with the vaccine program as that is the federal gov's responsibility and like Thailand they were banking on home grown vaccine but that went ar$ up and they are now up the same creek as Thailand and likewise without a propulsion device called a paddle and the creek has a foul stench emanating from it. 

15 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Each province's daily domestic COVID-19 cases update in Thailand on Tuesday

Total: 14,111

After a brief pause for drinks around 2,000 the northeast has got it's running shoes back a little while ago the single digit provinces numbered around 6 now it's the double digits that are around 6.

Just now, Olmate said:

Yes.I know... Im  just giving you the chance to tell others????

I thought you might have been using sarcasm but just incase I went ahead without using sarcasm myself as it seems to be cause some grief.

14 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

As long as an unvaccinated person poses a higher threat to people than a vaccinated one, I sure hope so. Deliberately risking other people's lives or risking their livelihood is for some strange reason not popular with the majority.  

 

I should add - Sorry if I missunderstood and it was all sarcasm 

Nah no sarcasm there so no misunderstanding on your part.So now we must ensure that everyone must get vaccinate every year for the flu because the flu also kills people and to not vaccinate against the flu is deliberately risking other people's live and it has been thus a long time before this virus came along so are you accusing every who hasn't been vaccinating against the flu of deliberately endangering the lives of those that died of the flu?Oh that's right this is different because it's not the flu even though the flu has been killing people for a lot longer than covid has.

5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You making this stuff up. Here are your words to me in your first post.

 

"So you're willing to put your family and the community at risk of dying until you can get a vaccine of your choice even if it takes another 6 months?"

 

Can't make this stuff up.

As I mentioned previously....don't lecture, especially when you can't even follow own advice. 

 

Like I said I think you missed my sarcasm sorry about that I'll try and refrain from sarcasm but can't guarantee anything. 

1 hour ago, worrab said:

I think you also have to bear in mind that the Sinovac then AZ combination is not a proven route to go. And why has Sinovac suddenly become okay for the over 60s? I still cannot even get AZ and I am registered at my local hospital! I would be doing the same as DrJack54 and another reason is if I have to fly back to UK, Sinovac is not accepted. It is a case of each to their own as we all have different circumstances. Where I live I cannot see any vaccinations coming anytime soon especially Pfizer etc. We are waiting on Moderna to make an appearance, hopefully in Oct which we have registered for.  

Sorry worrab I was being sarcastic.People should be free to choose if and when they get vaccinated and be able to choose which vaccine they wish to receive without and coercion.I'm against any restrictions placed on people who don't get vaccinated as has started happening in France and has been hinted at in Oz.Some have said that by not getting vaccinated that they are putting lives in danger and agree with restrictions on unvaccinated people.

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Yes thanks. I also note that seems CM folk might be offered Sinovac.

We can all make our own call. Personally if I'm offered Sinovac today, I will politely decline.

My plan all along was wait until next year for more vaccine options. 

That's a roll of dice thing. 

So you're willing to put your family and the community at risk of dying until you can get a vaccine of your choice even if it takes another 6 months?

43 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

So this happening across the world, and how many scientists, epidemiologist's, virologists, radiologists, ventilator technicians, anesthetists  around the world, in countries with no political ties are part of this alleged conspiracy? 

Are the lizard people involved?

 

 

Sorry I don't seem to be able to see where I alleged there was a conspiracy but then mushrooms don't see well in the dark.

52 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Makes sense to me.

There are SO many food outlets in streets etc no need to open Malls.

Makes cents to you makes baht for Mall owners.

I doubt many of the mega rich in Thailand have investments in the street vendor market I would venture that would be driver behind this, gotta keep the investors happy.