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Out and Out muder.

The two Thai military gunman should be put on trial, then after convicted, sentenced to DEATH.

All involved in the chain of command that ordered these killings should also be put on trial and if convicted, put to death.

No matter how high the chain goes.

I love that crap about the Elite loving the common man.

I see a lot of love dead in the street.

They are hungry--out of bread and rice?

Let them eat cake say the leaders.

Yep, I have to say I've been disappointed in CNN and BBC - the last one just started giving some bleeding heart spiel about how hard it is for protesters to lie on the floor for two months - please!

I guess part of the trouble is

i. they don't speak Thai and the majority have been flown in here from somewhere else, having read up from their own sources what is to be reported on.

ii. they are playing to int'l audience, who always love the 'poor protesters' versus 'authoritarian gov't' pitch.

Al Jazeera have had the best reports that i've seen, but haven't seen one from them today.

Sorry but what kind of comments is this (ii)? The audience of BBC and CNN is the average conservative anti-demonstration western citizen. BBC and CNN have never talked about "authoritarian government" in Thailand. Get a grip! Stop to see everything under red/yellow filters!

I'm sorry for you, but you're wrong. CNN is considered by all in the US to be very left. What little BBC I have watched seemed to me to be in the same vein. Nobody here in the US is anti-demonstration; everyone here is against violent demonstrations. Especially when they promote anarchy e.g. looting. Remember what the govt. did against the Branch Davidians. It was because they had war weapons. Women and children are not enough to shield violent anti-govt. radicals from justice. If you want to live in a peaceful society, you must follow some rules. After the 2000 presidential election, when the Supreme Court of the US gave the election to George Bush, the Democrats did not try to bring down the government. Now the Democrats are back in power and nobody had to die to achieve that. Most people, who some on this forum claim to be anti-red, are only against the Red's methods of advancing their cause.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I agree

Why are you Thais so impatient?

It has only been 19 coups.

We pay you 2000 baht a month so be thankful and kiss my rich chinese Thai arse.

But the Prime Minister Khun Mark said ...indeed... promised the world leaders at their last conference that NO lethal weapons would ever be used against his own countrys people/ protestors and as said he is /was an honourable man so picture MUST be a fake..............

Cant LIE to the worlds Leaders can he?

I did not expect such a low and facetious post from you. You should know that they pre-announced the usage of live ammo beforehand AND that the weapon in itself (the M-16) while lethal also can fire less lethal ammo in form of rubber bullets etc.

Was that a joke?

The arrogance AND utter disregard for human rights by the ruling regime and law is made clear to us all

by their shooting of women and children in the streets.

It is made clear to us all by the now 19 or more coups.

It is made clear now to Thai military by the ordered assassination of a Thai general.

it is made clear to the world by the arrogance and hate of killing same General while he is being interviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

It is made clear to Europe.

It is made Clear to North America.

It is made clear to Asia.

It is made clear to the world.

Thailand is now entering the same category as Myanmar in world ranking.

It is run by an illegal regime which uses extreme military force against its own people.

BUT now the real kicker.

The Thai military is very very upset with the order from on high that gave way to the assassination of a Thai General.

Look over at each other Thai military.

That man next to you might shoot you in the back.

Do you Thais still believe you are loved by the leaders?

NO

We have to feel sorrow for our country's soldiers who have been ordered by our government to kill their friends and neighbors and fellow Thais.

When this bloodbath is over these soldiers will have to return to their homes and try to reconcile with the families of these friends and neighbors who they were forced to kill.

And did their families and friend before realized that shooting at relatives and friends who are in the army is not a nice thing to do.

Bad hello kitty!!!

I'm sure you'll back safe at home in your homeland when your visa expires. The soldiers her don't have the luxury to run away that you do.

This is my homeland!! born here,studied here and trying to built a future for my family and will not let reds or s##t like you break it down.

That you need a visa is your worry, as long as our government can cash on you, it's all good for me.

And do not come that I am from elite family because I was born in Loei if you even know where that is??

Don't you have something better to do than to scream at Unknown farangs on a message board.

It is not farang that are fighting is it.

It is you Thais that are killing each other.

Get a clue.

Let's just have a little respect for the people who risk their lives just so we know what's going on in Bangkok, alright guys? Here's hoping no more innocents get caught in the crossfire.

Why should they deserve more respect than anybody else who gets paid to do a chosen job? You act as though reporters are there because they feel they have a duty to us when in fact it is what they choose to do and get paid to do. We should have respect for all people.

But bottom line is this guy was an idiot for not wearing anything to identify himself as a journalist, clearly being in a restricted area, failing to listen to authorities and not wearing any protection in such a violent area ... If he cared about bringing us the news he would not have not been so foolish in his duties to us instead of becoming news himself.

I understand where you are coming from but get real ... all people deserve respect but when people are public figures or make the news, we have the right to comment on them.

I am not saying don't have ANY sympathy (as most reporters covering stories) but there are too many people who are hurt in this world by others where they have not willingly or stupidly put themselves in such a position knowingly.

Fact

If the regime had the power to order the Thai military to charge the group speaking at the old World Trade Center shopping area, they would do so.

So why is it not happening?

Because there are Thai military, perhaps a thousand or more, that are in the area with automatic weapons, grenades, and more. To charge the area would be an instand death for the Thai army members who would be shot from all sides.

This is the end

The end my friend

THE END

The breakdown of society is well under way.

And all because a group of fat old rich Thai people want slaves.

idiots

Burn baby burn

If I were so inclined, I think I would bet on a real fight breaking out.

I am watching the reds and they still hold the Sukhumvit World area.

Their men in Black, if given the orders, will shoot down army by the hundreds or thousands.

That will be the start of either a war or Chaos or complete and utter collapse of the current system.

They are angry.

They know who Generals are and where they live.

The Current regime has chosen to assassinate a Red while he was giving an interview for the Wall Street Journal.

Do they think they are bullet proof?

The men in black might take revenge.

Thank you Oh Great America. What would we do without your guidance?

Every time your ass is in the vise you come running and begging to us Yanks.

With out us you be speaking German right now

But you'd still be speaking English right?

America sure has a lot of people speaking Spanish too.

Directly from US Census

Minorities, now roughly one-third of the U.S. population, are expected to become the majority in 2042, with the nation projected to be 54 percent minority in 2050. By 2023, minorities will comprise more than half of all children.

The non-Hispanic, single-race white population is projected to be only slightly larger in 2050 (203.3 million) than in 2008 (199.8 million). In fact, this group is projected to lose population in the 2030s and 2040s and comprise 46 percent of the total population in 2050, down from 66 percent in 2008.

I read posts here about WW II. Majrity of deaths between (The Soviet Union)Russia and Germany.

Post about American War between the States.(Of course it was about slavery)

Stupid

ONE WAS 70 YEARS AGO AND THE OTHER 150 YEARS AGO.

Nothing to do with Thailand.

Thailand's current fight, if it were to escalate, would be more like an uprising by the poor in other nations.

The revolt of 1381 in England comes to mind.

Of course we have the other revolutions in Europe which are famous in Russia and France.

Hope so.

But I do think you might be under playing the news here in Thailand.

Imagine, a British group holding blocks in london for two months.

Imagine a British General backing the same group.

Imagine the General, while being interviewed for a story in a major Newspaper, being shot in the head.

I do think this would be very very bad for any democratic nation.

I think your imagination has gone a but haywire.

But if a rogue general was holding the middle of London hostage for 2 months, I think he would have been taken out by snipers 2 months ago. And it wouldn't have had anything to do with the government. It would have been a police matter.

My point was.

The situation in Bangkok is very bad.

It is not the end of the world !!!

The embassies I presume are closed because they are in areas close to where the unruly, undemocratic mob of protesters are. A mob that has cost this country billions of lost revenue, closed schools, shops, hotels, stopped tens of thousands of poor Thai's from working and are a few thousand demanding a government step down. So the embassies now know what it is like for all the poor shop owners and hotels who have been forced to close for the last 5-6 weeks !! Not much fun is it !!

Closed by a minority mob who are selfishly holding people lives on stop over their own selfish demands.This whole poor working class, farming thing is being sung by news reporters...are soldiers not poor, are police not poor, are shop kepers not poor !!! It is not just a few thousand selfish protesters who are poor. The majority of poor are working and too busy to get involved even if they wished to. Which they don't by the looks of it. My wife is poor Thai and she and all her family are against this mob and sick of them. As too are millions of Thai's all over the country. As are most people who pay taxes and work for a living like I do. Yes they have support but certainly NOT a majority by a long stretch. There are over 64 million people in this country and they are not out there supporting them. They are too busy trying to work while this lot ruin it all. This government have done everything possible to be compromising. No government in the world would put up with this sort of behaviour and certainly not the USA or UK. I saw the protests in London and police charged in with batons, bashing people. As for the race riots hundreds of cars and properties were either burnt or looted !! Force was used and is used to remove protesters. In USA I believe approximately 30 people died in the LA race riots ! People are shot every day in the USA and many countries all over the world. Why are they so unfair to Thailand and make it look as if it is so bad. It is not. I have lived here and I still feel safe and I live 5 minutes from the barricades. Come on be fair. Be realistic.

Thailand is the size of France and 99.99999% of it are living, working and acting normally. The beaches are beautiful, the lakes still there and people are living normal lives. Many of my friends are still arriving on holiday ahvinga great time. I am of soon to the beaches. Can't wait. If you get too stuck into this internet news thing and just watch negative news reports (just repeating the same story) you will only fill your heads with negative thoughts. I have a business in Thailand and it is running as normal. Yes it is tough and this is a worry but do not blow it out of proportion and also accept a country changing. The main reason their are less tourists is the constant and unwarranted tittle tattle and gossiping by newspaper people and TV who feed our heads full of hyped scandal and trivia..

The reality is there are some political problems in Thailand. Yes we all know that....but it is not the end of the world...In the USA approximately 3000 people died in New York Twin Tower attacks and there are, I believe around 30,000 victims of gun crime every year. Do we all close our embassies and tell Amercia we are concerned about they way they run things. If this was in the USA they would have gone in shooting by now and everyone of them considered a terrorist. As too in many counrties around the world. And rightfully they should. You cannot allow a breakdown in ordered society and allow a minoirty mob to take over parts of a city and barricade themselves off preaching war and dissent.

Did we close embassies when 53 people were blown up in the London tube or a bus was blown apart. No ! People are shot all over the world on a daily basis.....one guy gets shot here and the world goes into some sort of dellusional insane mania. People are shot like that every day in ghettos all over the USA. Peopel are stabbed brutally in every city all over the UK lying bloody in the streets. But no one accept the familes gives a toss. I am not having a dig at the USA, UK or any country...but a little fair and reasonably intelligent reporting might not go a miss. Thailand is as normal and I am living right next to this......Do I feel safe...yes 100% And if I don't I will move to another part of the city. This area is a tiny tiny part of Bangkok. A city of I think 12 million and yes those 12 million who pay taxes and help built this city and keep it going through their hard work, are sick of a mob of non working, probably non tax paying protesters ruining their city's reputation. And so am I ! As any intelligent human being would be. And why should Thailand not use force.. USA and all European countries would. So why is Thailand not allowed to and looked upon in bad light when they do. Come on get real ! I love this country and its people. It will be alright in the end.....

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Hope so.

But I do think you might be under playing the news here in Thailand.

Imagine, a British group holding blocks in london for two months.

Imagine a British General backing the same group.

Imagine the General, while being interviewed for a story in a major Newspaper, being shot in the head.

I do think this would be very very bad for any democratic nation.

How exactly does a thread with this title turn into a US bashing effort? Unreal.

Brits get mean with a hangover.

And when they remember they gave that UGLY in their bed 3000 baht, they are ready to fight.

They would be more than happy to insult the French, Spanish, Germans, and any other nation but the Ynanks are here--so the fight starts.

Really boys

You should look for a new nation because Thailand is so so over.

Thank you Oh Great America. What would we do without your guidance?

Every time your ass is in the vise you come running and begging to us Yanks.

With out us you be speaking German right now

Amen to that.........we save their ass every time there is a conflict and all they do is cut us down :real angry:

Should have let the Germans have them.

The Russians had already defeated the Germans in Europe. After Kursk it was just a matter of time. America's contribution was to prevent communism coming further west after the inevitable Russian victory. Although had Roosevelt not been so naive and listened to Churchill, the iron curtain might have come down a lot further east than it eventually did.

Remember when you were 10 years old?

Something that happened 10 years before was a long time ago.

You guys are talking about WW II which is now 70 years ago.

Go read a history book if you like but Thailand is the topic here.

If you live in Thailand, this should be and likely is your main worry.

if I want to read some history, I certainly can get better sources than nonsense posted here.

Thailand is in near meltdown and you are post off topic dull old history lessons.

The Topic is Thailand.

Given the locations of the two embassies, one has to be an idiot to criticize the two for closing them down.

They are located in a war zone now.

A general shot and likely killed now.

Retaliation is extremely likely and the targets will be others in the Thai army.

Brother against brother

Civil war if it goes too far.

Farangs need to find an out plan fast because the party in Thailand is so so OVER!

The main cause of any future civil war is lying in a hospital close to death.

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We do not know that do we?

I mean the men in black are still there.

You remove one and the one that follows might be far more violent.

Imagine 1000 Thai troops charging toward the area and being shoot down with machine and blown up with hand grenades.

Imagine a retaliation with some other generals shot dead.

Imagine buildings on fire all over the city.

You remove one but there is no guarantee that another, far more violent, might not now be in charge.

The Topic is Thailand.

Given the locations of the two embassies, one has to be an idiot to critizize the two for closing them down.

They are located in a war zone now.

A general shot and likely killed now.

Retaliation is extremely likely and the targets will be others in the Thai army.

Brother against brother

Civil war if it goes too far.

Farangs need to find an out plan fast because the party in Thailand is so so OVER!

Clearly not, when as of today PM Abhisit is urging the UDD to accept the compromise. When the tanks move in, that ship will have sailed.

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Maybe justy maybe you are unaware of the fact that the Ruling groups do not want the Tanks in Town?

Why?

They are afraid that the red supporters in the army could use the tanks against the current government.

Reds

If it were easy to remove them, they would have already have been removed.

I invite any sane Thai or Farang to walk through the demonstartion and you will quickly see that once a tank fires a shot and this rabble (village mafia) will be on the run. Easy just block all escape routes and then go in and finish all these "simple minded ppl" off. Put them out of their misery.

I have noticed how frightened they all are. Some stupid thugs will make an attempt to show how "strong" they are but a good sniper will end their life.

The whole thing is a sham. Bring it on!!

I hope you are just trolling.

Go Back Jack

Do it again

Wheel turning round and round.

Oh, come on Nattawut, make up your mind. If you have one...

I don't think the reds were ready for someone like Abhisit, and others currently in the government. Intelligent, mild mannered, articulate, and more than open to negotiation & compromise. They weren't expecting that, so got left running around like chickens with their heads cut off, throwing out whatever excuse came to them that hour.

It's obvious they want a crackdown though, and now, it seems that's exactly what they're going to get.

More importantly, I don't think Thaksin was ready for someone like Abhisit.

FF

Republic

Just have the election,

do a coup, then wait for the fight to begin.

Possible outcomes of a real fight.

10s of thousands dead

Half of Bangkok burned to the ground

Nation split into three or more pieces

Baht at 120

Sky-train now called the blownup train

Subway a war zone too

Taxis used as car bombs

Farangs run out of the nation

You can guess the rest.

You have a vivid imagination I must say.

Perhaps a script for Bangkok Dangerous I ?

Good movie but this one would be called

"Bangkok Burning"

We need a younger Thai Star with battles on the skytrain and in the Subway.

But really

Chaos is never far away in any nation. Do you think the Police would keep working during a fight?

NO

The reds against the other would be chaos for sure.

Perhaps the reds win simply by breaking the system?

My opinion?

I think both sides should negotiate a slow and sure move toward a modern form of democratig government much as we see in The UK.

Just have the election,

do a coup, then wait for the fight to begin.

Possible outcomes of a real fight.

10s of thousands dead

Half of Bangkok burned to the ground

Nation split into three or more pieces

Baht at 120

Sky-train now called the blownup train

Subway a war zone too

Taxis used as car bombs

Farangs run out of the nation

You can guess the rest.

Lying, cheating, incapable of being straight about anything.

Are these people Thai?

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A good desciption of many Tha girl friends

When this is over the moronic farang red shirt supporters need to be rounded up, tarred and feathered then made to sing the nation anthem continually for 24 hours then flogged and deported.

Don't worry Streetwise, if the Thai Government want to know who all these red terrorist sympathysers are on this forum then they will just demand the info from Thai visa, who will then provide said info. So if you are one of the trolls, beware as next time you leave/re-enter the country you may just not get back in. This Government are very hot on new internet technology and they WILL get around to tracking down those names of people who sympathise with terrorists. It is funny as we are warned of this as it is all stated in the info and rules about this site. If you choose to dis the Royals or the Government there is NO SUCH THING as ANONYMITY! Well the damage is already done for many of the likes of Che. As an aside Che you could try deleting all your posts, but as far as I know that wont work, even deleted posts are kept for 6 months. I hope the trolling will prove worth it.

:D

You must be really proud of yourself right now.

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Funny and deperate post by a red hater.

I for one, am not afraid.

I have played golf with the generals and most of the military are red supporters. 75%

Are you clueless?

Right, so Suthep will surrender tomorrow and then what? More demands?

They are not going to leave tomorrow.

Morons...

Suthep will surrender and walk on bail after 30 minutes, with a trial never happening. Just like the yellow shirts surrendered and walked on bail after 30 minutes and 2 years later, a trial is still not visible on the horizon.

However, when the red shirts surrender, they will not be able to walk on bail after 30 minutes. The strictly enforced double standards in Thailand prohibit that.

Suthep didn't encourage violence speaking to a mob day after day and the Red Shirt leaders have. The Reds came to Bkk to overthrow the government and said so publicly. What country would not have arrested them for inciting to riot except Thailand? This is all getting old. My wife & I need to take care of business in Bangkok and these Reds continue to occupy too much of the city. How close are they to the American Embassy? We are more than p-ss-d about this! Abhisit gave in to them and now Thaksin's proxies are holding out and have no intentions of leaving peacefully. Just a bunch of low life liars & terrorists. I served a week's ban for "flaming". I was sentenced by Ijustwannateach. I don't know what I said but I guess he is a Red Shirt sympathiser so I shall say nothing else except RED SHIRTS GET THE H--- OUT OF BANGKOK!!!!!!!!!

NO

He is just an referee here doing his best.

I got two weeks. I think I deserved it too.

The guys working the boards are just fine so leave them alone.

If you happen to get caught up in a cluster of fools in a thread, you can get nuked but just appeal if you think you did nothing wrong. The Thaivisa referees are fair.

What happens when you order the military to act against the Reds in Bangkok, and the military refuses to do so?

Are you now in charge of anything?

The PM ordered the Thai military to act and it has, after the first failed attempt, refused to move against the Reds again.

What happens when men from the Thai military put on Black and shoot at the Thai army members who charge at the reds?

What happens when a Thai General walks in Bangkok, a free man, and is the head of the Reds on the street?

Who is in charge?

Will a small fight turn into a big fight?

Is it possible that a foreign nation will add air support to the reds should the current Thai government attempt to use helicopter gun ships and Jet fighters?

Oh yeah--where is the nearest American aircraft carrier?

Why did President Obama tell his ass sec of state to meet with Red supporters?

I do not know.

Why do you think your opinion is not worth as much as anyone else's????? Do you think he is GOD???

He's a MAN, pure and simple, and as such just as fallible and stupid as the rest of us.

We are judging his actions because ( most ) people with a brain cell know that politicians are ( IMO ) lying *&^&%$$.

My opinion is worth just as much as his, or anyone else's, and no one can deny that. Athough you may disagree with what I say, you can't deny my right to my opinion.

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions.

BUT--certainly are opinions are not all equal are they.

My opinion when it comes to The Universe, is not equal to a professor from Cambridge-Hawkins.

My opinion on how to repair a Honda is not equal to that of a Honda mechanic.

My opinion about how to repair my teeth is not equal to that of a well trained dentist.

The opinion of an uneducated, unread, moron on Thai politics is not equal to that of a Thai university Professor who has written books on Thai history.