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Guys - check out these 2 threads on the subject of fertigation:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Irrigation-a...;hl=fertigation
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Irrigation-H...;hl=fertigation
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Yes - SPG land does change hands up and down the country on a regular basis – usually on the nod of some or other local official, and by and large such transactions are problem free down the road.
What the law says in Thailand, and what actually takes place on the ground (excuse pun) are often 2 very different things, and the buying/selling of SPG land is another example of this practice/attitude towards rules & regulations in the Kingdom.
But keep in mind, the law is clear: SPG land cannot be bought or sold – period.
These are strictly speaking transactions which if challenged for some other reason at some point down the road e.g. the long lost missing relative who suddenly turns up out of the blue from nowhere, and is spiteful for having been done out of a potential inheritance, and decides to complain to some or other higher official or authority than that who allowed the sale to go through in the first place, the odds are he will ultimately be successful with his complaint if it is based on a legitmate violation of the law, and he pursues it hard enough and through a diligent official - and by that i have yet to see a law that allows local officials to legitimately authorise the sale/purchase of land that has been catorgorised as SPG land.
Be under no illusion – the law is clear: SPG land cannot be bought and/or sold, and if the above were to happen you would loose your investment.
In reality, I think the question that has to be asked, is, just what are the real world risks – and if you can somehow quantify them for your area e.g. there are many examples in your area of SPG land that has been sold to a 3rd party, and which have never been challenged, I guess that speaks something for the “risk” i.e. that chances are you are going to have no problems down the road.
Now weigh that up against some unknown future potential risk and decide if it’s a risk you want to take – and that’s your answer. It’s very much a personal thing.
But, and I’ll repeat it again: this doesn’t change the law – it’s clear: SPK land cannot be bought or sold, and if (note that word:”if”) your purchase is challenged by a complainant, through a diligent “by-the-book” type of higher official than he who gave the nod to the sale in the first place, chances are you will have little to defend your investment with, or way of recovering any money you paid out.
Can SPG land be changed to Chanote?
Yes, many examples of this, and they are 100% legal – and if you can get SPG land and then succefully apply for and get a Chanote title, you’ve done well. The criteria to apply for Chanote vary and are subject to varying interpretation from region to region, and by processing official to processing official, but one thing seems pretty consistent across the board: the applications take years to complete and there is no garuntee that you will get a Chanote. Another often quoted criteria looked at is just how long the SPG holder has had the land in their name, or how long has it been in the family name – with the longer it has been in the applicants name or the applicant’s family, the stronger the case in favour for a Chanote been granted.
Restrictions on SPG land?
It’s agriculture land – cannot be used to build a factory on, or build a house on, or run a business on ect ect etc…… the law also limits the construction of any abode to been of “tempory” nature, but in reality it’s a very grey area and lots of folk end up building a home on the SPG land, with out problems. The problem that has to be overcome (and this goes back to how you deal with and how flexible the planning officer is) is getting planning permission – get it and you shouldn’t have a problem – after all, the planning officer is going to be well aware of the status of the land when considering the application so be prepered to buy a cup of tea for him if he asks.
Speaking for myself - is it a risk I would ever take? - Nope, in my personal opinion the potential risks outweight the potential benefits, and things can get real messy if when it all goes wrong when you have built your house on it ect ect ...... That said there are ex-pats who I have heard of who have taken the plunge.
Buying SPG land is a personal thing - the law is clear, but as said earlier, what the law says and what actually takes place are often 2 very different things.
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Doesn't sound like there is a contract involved.
The debt collector idea can work, just be sure not to hire Somchai Wayne, because if things get out of hand, you'll end up as someone who hired a hitman.
There is a written contract however, that doesn't mean a helluva lot to a Thai owing money.
Then your first step would be to file a police report. Then you don't have to worry about the statute of limitations because it'd be on record... be sure to follow up on it to keep it 'live.'
Next time, also make sure your loan contract is secured by a sell by proxy contract for property as collateral registered with the land department. Probaby the only air tight contract out there as far as loans are concerned (and yes, it does mean a helluva lot, because there's no way to get out of it without getting your collateral seized).
p.s. doesn't cost you a thing because traditionally all fees involved are paid by the debtor. It's just that most folks are unaware that it can be done this way or are too lazy to do so.
Yes ... to reiterate what Heng has said: once the report/complaint is filed and the alleged offence is defined (for example: fraud/suspicion of, or whatever ...) then the statute is a non-issue - even if the offence is later re-defined or recatorgorised as something else.
It's when you do not commence any action or legal proceeding within the statute time frame that you can't then go back, so to speak, to take action against an accused for an alleged offence e.g. you can't have your shop broken into and stolen from, or your cheque book used by a 3rd party without your consent, then sit on it for however long you want, and then decide say, 12 or 15 years down the road that you really are p'd off what Khun so and so done in 1991 or 92 or whenever, and decide you ant to do something about it, start legal proceedings, file a complaint or take some or other legal action.
File the complaint, get the case open and get the allegation made as soon as you feel there is sufficient evidence to do so .... and not withstanding that, the longer you leave things, I can tell you the less motivated the cops are to chase it, if only because history shows [them] that it becomes harder and harder to successfully prosecute cases the longer a matter is left unpursued. Witnesses become far & spread, memories fade, evidence becomes "lost", files go "missing", case officers move on or may retire and generally the whole matter just becomes messy and more complicated the longer its left.
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I grow maize quite a lot to feed my own livestock - whole plant i.e. stalk, foilage & kernal - that was for many years my only involvement, but recently I got into milling for livestock feed (not processing for the food market) in a small way - I process around 7 ton per/day (seed) - and all is purchased on the domestic market from small time traders, or directly from farmers.
So, no - I am not a trader - I am a grower and a buyer, and through milling have got some knowledge of the bulk business, and know who the main exporters are (as on the list I gave you).
Those companies on the list I gave you are reputable/bonafide/established/licensed exporters and Department of Trade registered, who can satisfy whatever SGS requirement the client wants met, and can offer you whatever certificate is required.
I'm sorry I can't be of much more help than that - your best bet will be to contact the companies on the list. I know pricing betwen them can very as much as 10% at times!
Best contract time (for volume buyers in Thailand) is late June/early July, or end of the year i.e. late November/early December.
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Bob - there are several sources in Thailand - are you interested?
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Cenlonggo
This years wet season 1st crop has just been harvested and is in the warehouses as you make your enquir, but I'm not sure you'll have much luck at the moment - national stocks are below average for this time of the years, and the bulk export license quantity has gone up both in terms of price and quantity (tonnage).
The 2nd crop, for those who are growing a 2nd wet season or late wet season crop, is in the ground and early indications are that its going to be nothing great - average - so is going to be used to fill in fo rthe first crop.
Still, you can buy bulk if you want to, just that I think you may be better off importing from India - if this is bulk. What sort of quantities do you have in mind?
In any event heres a list of the big names in bulk maize export:
AMORN CHAI CO. LTD.
293/25 Surawong Road, Bangkok 10500 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 - 341502-9
Telex 82912 KAMKIJ TH
Contact Khun Poonsin Tivong
HONG YIAH SENG CO. LTD
196-8 Rajawong Road, Chakawad, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 240035 or 248685-93
Telex 82994 HONYISN TH
Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana
INTER CORN (1983) CO.
13-19 Trok Rongnamkhaeng, New Road 24 Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 347328-9
Telex : 87946 INTCORN TH
Contact Khun Ninpat Chamroonratana
JOO SENG (THAILAND) CO. LTD
1/6 Bangkok Bank Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 223181 or 2212398 or 2210411or 2214964
Telex 82348 ANMAIZE TH
Contact Khun Narong Srinaneekulroj
KIT PORN CO. LTD
1/3 Bangkok Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 250055-64, or 256740-48
Telex 82174 KITPORN TH
Contact Khun Teerathep Kongsirivorkul
MAHARNNOP CO. LTD
778 Rama 4 Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2332952 or 2335080
Telex 22690 MAHADON TH
Contact Khun Maharnnop Dejvitak
NAMSWAT ENTERPRISE CO. LTD.
1196 Songwad Road, Samphanthawong, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2248256-7 or 2261401-5
Telex 82994 HONYISN TH
Contact Khun Mongkol Tangpanichayanont
NEW THAI PRODUCT CO. LTD
Vanit Building, 1126/1 New Phetchaburi Road, Bangkok 10400 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2523777
Telex 20853 TONGCOP TH or 72183 TONGCOP TH
Contact Khun Vichai Kanathanavanich
PUEY HENG LONG CO.
1/24 Bangkok Bank Lane, Snaps Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2216233 or 2217473 or 2216237
Telex 82305 PHLCO TH
Contact Khun Vichai Wongsrikasem
S.EA.P. RICE AGENCY LTD
1059 Charoenkrung Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – : 2330041 or 2367736
Telex 82307 SEAPRA TH
Contact Khun Prasarn Tanphiphat
SAP NAKORN PATANA CO. LTD
68 Sub Road, Siphraya, Bangrak, Bangkok 10500 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2349010
Telex 87474 SAPCO TH
Contact Khun Chalerm Sathaporn
SERM WIN PACIFIC LTD.
138 Sapanyao Lane, New Road,Bangkok 10500 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2355895-6 or 2367997
Telex 20355 SERMWIN TH
Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana
SUMITOMO CORP. THAILAND LTD
12th Floor, Central Chidlom Tower, 22 Soi Somkid, Ploenchit Road, Bangkok 10330 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2547043-68
Telex 87354 SUMITOM TH
Contact Tetsuo Satoh Sen (President)
THYE J00 LONG CO.
816-8 Songwad Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand
Tel 66 – 2 – 2226141-5 or 2213270 or 2244924
Telex 82757 SAMRIT TH
Contact Khun Samarn Ophaswongse
UNICOOPJAPAN CO.
10th Floor, Maneeya Center Building, 51815 Ploenchit Road, Pathumwan, Bangkok 10330 Thailand.
Tel 66 – 2 - 2548364-6
Telex 82515 UNICO BK TH
Contact Toyoju Saito Sen
UNITED THAI PRODUCE TRADING CO.
6 Yukol 1 Road, Thepairintr, Bangkok 10100. Thailand.
Tel 66 – 2 – 2237443 or 2234583
Telex 87625 PROTHAI TH
Contact Khun Vivat Taephaisitphongae
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Sadly, farm animal welfare does leave a lot to be desired as an industry, but it also has some plus points as an industry over the USA and over Westernised countries - it is by and large no where near intensive as it is in the 1st world, and the use of hormones and other growth additives is not near the scale it is in those countries.
The difference between most livestock rearing in South East Asia versus the 1st world/West is that "welfare problems" tend to be the indiviudal farm level, as opposed to been unregulated and institutionalised "welfare problems" - and they are by circumstance primarily, not by choice. The beef and dairy markets in South East Asia are not near as developed as they are in the West, and the economic factors that influence decision taking in these areas of the ag industry are dissimilar in many respects to those that influence margins in 1st world developed countries e.g. milk protein and butter fat levels do not have the impact on farm income here like they do in many parts of the 1st world - its a volume/mass based income only (which partly explains the difference in taste between milk produced here in South Aeast Asia versus the West - levels are very low comparitively speaking), not fat/protein quality based. That translates into reduced feed costs.
Aquaculture, chicken and pig farming (as opposed to dairy and beef) is another thing - there is large scale ab[use] of growth hormone and pesticide in feed - but in contrast to cattle rearing, the problems in these sectors of the ag ndustry tend to be more at the feed production level (as opposed to been at the indiviudal farm level) and the average farmer has little idea of whats in the feed he is buying. All he/she is looking at are conversion rates i.e. which feed is giving them the best growth rate for the money spent.
Both the aquaculture, pig and chciken production industries are often highlighted for poor sanitation and high stocking levels - which lead to all the problems that stem from over stocking. Foot & mouth is a big problem in pig rearing. In all 3 sectors these are problems directly related to farm gate prices and margins - no such thing as European subsidies, its each farmer for himself.
The other problem is education - while the big corporate farms like those belonging to CP Group, and the farmers contracted to supply CP group, run on semi-established industrial formula's, the lot of the average independant farmer is very different. Their farms are a lot smaller, and their production techniques tend to be more old fashioned and traditional than the corporate groups. The welfare problems at this level tend to be welfare problems associated with circumstance, not choice e.g. they don;t have space to give animals reccomended space, when animals get sick they often don't have funds to use vet services.
Its a subject that will take up a book to discuss at meaning ful level. I think the question should be: is unprocessed food safe to eat in Thailand - and the answer by & large has to be yes - turnover volumes are high meaning meat purchased at the open market (which would have had limited refrigeration since slughter) is unlikely to be unsafe. Fish offered for sale in the morning would more than likely not have been frozen, only because it was harvested the night before. Of couse there are exceptions, but by and large its a safe way of buying food.
Other nice thing about local open markets is that the produce is mostly local stuff, off local famrs within a 20kilometer or so radius - it is very much a local economy, where as food from Carrefore or Tesco Lotus could come from anywhere in South East Asia, and rrather than animal welfare been the long term problem on the local level, I think the problems associated with allowing single brandname retailers to dominate unprocessed food sales on the scale that Teco Lotus is now doing in Thailand, present far more problems and have far more long term [negative] impact on communties and the farmers in them that strive to continue to produce food independantly (and hence animal welfare).
So the best thing you can do to help eliminate animal welfare problems in food production, is support production by way of buying locally produced food at the local market level.
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Well, I don;t know enough about the stuff to challenge that, except that it is eaten in many parts of the world with little or no apparent health effect, though I have to say it's not very tasty however prepeared. I think those folk in Africa (where it is popular) who do eat it, eat it not out of preference, but out of circumstance. Pesonaly on the few occassions I have been served a dish with some part of cassava in it, however spiced up or mixed up with whatever else is on the plate, I have never liked the stuff.
Its a useful additive to livestock feed - one of its big uses in Thailand, otherwise the market for it is dried out and crushed up to form a starch base in procssed products.
Yer- the Japanese do eat some odd stuff, but the tend to live to a ripe old age - down to their high fresh fish intake - they are ever so careful to cut out the bits from that puffer fish they eat, but despite all the effort and care they go to, every year in Japan there are several incidents in which the old puffer fish has the last laugh!!!
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To all the restaurateurs in the Forum...
1) Do cops generally eat "for free" at restaurants here, especially if in uniform?
2) Do they "throw their weight around" or "hint" that they eat free if they enter restaurants? (whether big or small restaurants, farang or thai owned/runned).
3) Generally, even if they don't "throw weight around" nor "hint", is it customary for restaurant owners to "mai pen rai" the bill?
4) Does your Thai staff hesitate to give the cops the 'chekbin', especially if they're in a big group and/or high ranking (many stars on the shoulder, etc.)
What's it like in your experience?
No such thing as a free lunch (excuse pun)...... a free meal equates to a blind eye been turned, or forewarning when the blind eye can't be turned ......... TIT
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The concept is great ... and yes, they do work well - given the right conditions and circumstances.
But they are horribly in-efficient - a very large volume of primary force water has to be loaded (and it loads slowly) to get the secondery displacment, but if you have the flow rate and are willing to build whatever needs to be built for whatever volume you want your secondary volume to be, then go ahead - will be awfull slow as an irrigation method, will cost a bit to build (properly), but it costs nothing then to run.
By the way go back to around late 2006 early 2007 and somehwere on the Farming in thailand section of Tv someone put some diagrams up of one of these pumps.
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Somo
.... wrote it all up went away form the computer came back and found Watersedge beat me to it ......
yes - you'll have to mix that up at home, god only knows where you;d get uit commercially mixed up
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Today the wife's sister said to her.." you two should stay in Canada, so many problem here in Phuket..yellow, red, many murders.. etc.." Personally I don't care, and would go back tomorrow, but have to wait a while. Sure enough, checking Thai visa, there sure are a lot of murders going on in Phuket these days..tourists on Bangla Road, a landlord kills 2 tenants and wounds one in Chalong area..etc.. Personally I like going to Bangla road, but keep the visits down to ONCE each 2 or 3 month trip, and I go with a buddy who works in the Thai immigration police.Question..Is it getting worse for murders generally in LOS and specifically Phuket, or is this just a blip???
Thats Phuket for you .... wild wild West - overpopulated, poor planning and regulation, corrupt officials, dirty, noisy, expensive (by Thai standards) ... I don't think theres much going for it in the long run - it's becoming just another densely populated urbanised area with all the problems that such areas have anywhere in the world (plus a whole lot more) - oh, nearly forgot - traffic just gets worse and worse each year.
Mind you, the way Asia's population is growing, it won't be long before many other parts of Thailand (and elsewhere in Asia) have to deal with the same problems that Phuket has had to learn to live with.
Okay to go to if you want to let your hair down for a week or so, but God only knows why anyone would want to choose to live there!
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Please excuse my ignorance but I've just read the above and I'm somewhat perplexed. When 'cassava' is harvested the stems and leaves are then ploughed into the soil. If 'cassava' is poisonous, then that means that all 'cassava' grown land is then toxic ? So anyone building on, previous, 'cassava', planted land is building on contaminated land. If the toxin is only in the root then leaving any unharvested tubers in the soil still contaminates the land. Right or wrong ?
Correct - there is a strong correlation between bitterness and toxicity - the more bitter, the more toxic. But that toxicity is not permanent - thats one reason why folk cut the tuber up and dry it out (the other is that is decomposses and looses all value if harvested and stored "wet"). As it breaks down and decomposses back into the soil - real world potential for poisoning is negliagable. Don't worry about - you'll be quite safe.
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Hey guys ... the " a friend of mine wants to this or that ...or whatever" is used quite a bit on Thai Visa - who cares who it is actually wanting to know - what do any of use actually care who the end user is, or what their motive is ...... why should we concern ourselves. All it does is send the topic down another route ... doesn't add much to the OP's question one way or the other.
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Effective drip irrigation is not as simple as it may first appear, but it is potentialy viable if certain criteria can be met.
First of all you need to be able to store x amount of water per rai/per time period to get whatever crop mass is required to justfiy to capaital layout cost.
of issues in the above sentence: your capital outlay is in proportion to the size of the field, and the larger the area to be drip irrigated the cheaper it becomes. Depending on the length of the field and hence the layout of the drip lines you need to choose drip lines that are going to be of sufficient diameter so as to aviod excessive presure drop across their length. Most decent drip lines self regulate i.e. so long as you can supply a certain amount of water at a certain pressure, and keep the drip line to its reccomended max length, al the drippers along it will delivery the same amount of water - despite the fact that the drippers at the start have more pressue avalible then the drippers say 300m - 400mm down the other end of the line.
Thats not a problem, the problem is: setting up and storing water for 25rai at sufficent height above the field - either you have land high enough above the cassava field to store water (?) and are willing to invest in dam construction, or you are going to have to build storage tanks on stilts. I'd guess you would want 3m to 5m above the cassava field to generate the line pressure required to regulate drippers over a 300m length or so. How much are you going to have to store for 25 - 30rai? I'm guessing if you work along the lines of 4l-5l per plant per hour and run the drippers for 5hrs each day (when required) - say 20 litres per cassava plant per day. Work out how many cassava plants per rai and x 25rai - theres your figure. Would somewhere between 20 000 - 50 000litres per day be a reasonable figure(?)
You big advantage with drippers is that they don;t waste water - they measure it out fairly accurately and apply it right at the plant, and you don;t need to run a pump constantly (so long as you have sufficent storage height), so you can save substantialy on energy costs.
Your downside is, the investment that has to be made in storage, pump to get the water out of wherever it comes from originally. Oh - and the disc filter - you will need a suitable disc filter, otherwise one by one the dripper outlets will block up - all the dripper lines I have ever tried (and I have tried many different types from all sorts of manufacturers, never last more than 3 or 4 seasons max - so thats another cost that has to be forked out for every few years), and they are not cheap in Thailand.
All in all, do you calculations and think through the issues very carefully before throwing money at it, but yes, if you are wanting to irrigate, I would concurr that drip irrigation would be the way to go...... and then hope like hel_l it doesn't rain madly the first season you install your irrigation system (sods law!), because not only will the irrigation system sit ideal, the market price of cassava will be low as well.
PS - make sure the dripper spacing on the drip line coincides with the cassava plant spacing
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Good tips MF....since I'm only doing a small plot, i will do the next in cel pots and transplant. At this point, I'm just trying to make seed. Also may try some other media such as coco coir to lighten up the clay soil. Basically what i'm trying to do is 'no till farming' for economic and bad back reasons. Have picked up a few tips on 'no till' from google and will try to apply them for my next planting. They're harvesting rice now and will have access to lots of free straw for mulch.
How can I inoculate my uninoculated seed??
Thanks again for your feedback....
I don't think you can buy inoculum in small enough quantities for it to be cost effective on a DIY basis, for such a small quantity - you'd be better off buying a packect of sweetcorn seed that had already been treated.
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I bet Jeff Adams will be delighted
that we all know to moan at him now!
Yes - he was good - I had a similar experience with him regards a fridge, and got a fridge freezer in return: sadly he's no longer working for tesco Lotus - now working for another company in California
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I think I should insist on the fact that she doesn't hold the title deed as it is in her husband's hand
Does that make any difference when she tries to sell?
The idea of having it in the kids name carries more merit than may originaly appear......... my (and the wifes' - and she is Thai) assets are secured in a similar way: in the name of a Thai registered company (so thats the Thai part of it), but the company shareholders are an overseas trust.
Here's the important bit (which gives "control") - I am a trustee of the trust - transactions the trust carries out need my consent.
So where do the kids come in? - they are the beneficiares of the trust - my daughter 50% and my son 50%.
How legal is all this? - 100%
Trust law in Thailand is in it's infancy, but the precidents have been set i.e. Thai courts do and will accept asset ownership structured through trusts as lawful and binding if all parties are in agreement For lack of a better way of putting it, you can get these sorts of agreements and "setups", ratified in a Thai court.
The average Thai lawyer (and this is not to say they're no good at their job, its just that its not soemthing many are familiar with, but its slowly slowly becoming more popular - since all the publcity around Thaksin and his asset structures) has little experience with. It needs a lawyer with experience or who is willing to go away and do all the homework.
The second point to keep in mind is that it took us close on a year to get it all set up (and this is going back now to the late 1980's - maybe a lot easier now, I don;t know). There was a lot of paperwork to do, lots of doc's that needed to be signed/counter signed/witnessed ect ect .... and not inconsiderable cost at the time. ... and a year later there was a whole bunch of things that had to be corrected and rewritten.
Collectively one has to ask themselves if its worth all the time/effort and cost involved, and I guess thats all about what the assets consist of, their value, the family, how far ahead is one wanting to plan for, what if you want to undo it all later .. and whatever else you may consider important.
In summary, short of a pre-nuptial agreement (I had never heard of such things in the 1980's) it was the best way the wife and I could think of to secure & protect everything we had for the children, in case something was to happen to either or both of us before the kids were old enough to be "adults". So - no, the primary motive in our case was not against the background of possible divorce or dispute between ourselves down the line, and in that respect we have been very lucky, because a trust is a trust is a trust i.e. once something goes into trust it can be very difficult getting it out.
Structered and setup properly they are secure holding entities for assets and are recognised in Thai law. - and it's legal for a foreigner to be a trustee (thats the important bit).
Are you saying that section 1686 of the Civil Code has been repealed or amended? [That section essentially declares that trusts are void and of no effect under Thai law]
Nope it hasn't - its one matter quoting a rule/regulation - it's another matter understanding it in its proper/correct context (!?) You have very boldly quoted the law, but I'm not sure you understand what constitutes a "trust" in Thai law and the concepts in Thai law that determine legal ownership and beneficial ownership. It is complicated, it needs specialist advise and wording is all important when drawing up these arrangements, otherwise, yes - you may well find your doc's are not worth the paper they are written on.
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I think I should insist on the fact that she doesn't hold the title deed as it is in her husband's hand
Does that make any difference when she tries to sell?
The idea of having it in the kids name carries more merit than may originaly appear......... my (and the wifes' - and she is Thai) assets are secured in a similar way: in the name of a Thai registered company (so thats the Thai part of it), but the company shareholders are an overseas trust.
Here's the important bit (which gives "control") - I am a trustee of the trust - transactions the trust carries out need my consent.
So where do the kids come in? - they are the beneficiares of the trust - my daughter 50% and my son 50%.
How legal is all this? - 100%
Trust law in Thailand is in it's infancy, but the precidents have been set i.e. Thai courts do and will accept asset ownership structured through trusts as lawful and binding if all parties are in agreement For lack of a better way of putting it, you can get these sorts of agreements and "setups", ratified in a Thai court.
The average Thai lawyer (and this is not to say they're no good at their job, its just that its not soemthing many are familiar with, but its slowly slowly becoming more popular - since all the publcity around Thaksin and his asset structures) has little experience with. It needs a lawyer with experience or who is willing to go away and do all the homework.
The second point to keep in mind is that it took us close on a year to get it all set up (and this is going back now to the late 1980's - maybe a lot easier now, I don;t know). There was a lot of paperwork to do, lots of doc's that needed to be signed/counter signed/witnessed ect ect .... and not inconsiderable cost at the time. ... and a year later there was a whole bunch of things that had to be corrected and rewritten.
Collectively one has to ask themselves if its worth all the time/effort and cost involved, and I guess thats all about what the assets consist of, their value, the family, how far ahead is one wanting to plan for, what if you want to undo it all later .. and whatever else you may consider important.
In summary, short of a pre-nuptial agreement (I had never heard of such things in the 1980's) it was the best way the wife and I could think of to secure & protect everything we had for the children, in case something was to happen to either or both of us before the kids were old enough to be "adults". So - no, the primary motive in our case was not against the background of possible divorce or dispute between ourselves down the line, and in that respect we have been very lucky, because a trust is a trust is a trust i.e. once something goes into trust it can be very difficult getting it out.
Structered and setup properly they are secure holding entities for assets and are recognised in Thai law. - and it's legal for a foreigner to be a trustee (thats the important bit).
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Lets get this straight: the condo is paid for 100% - its in the wifes name, but long leased (30yrs) to the kids - or, the "purchase" is actualy (because of restrictions on ex-pats owning property/houses) a 30year long lease in the kids names, which you are describing as a "purchase" for lack of better words?
Which is it alyx?
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Need a reply rather soon, anyone?
No ...... but there are many that will sell it ...... and a lot more.
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.... and there will be a line of ex-pat backpacking dive instructors from one or other of the dive co's at immigration - money will change hands, they will do the customary "round trip" to Malaysia .... and in a couple weeks time all will be back to normal - for the next few months.
Then some Phuket official will say something, the press will print it, there will be another "crack down", there will be another line of dive instructors at immigration paying up for release, another round trip to Malaysia will take place, then all will go back to "normal" ...
... and a few months later , guess what ........ ecetera ecetera ........ and round and round it goes.......
Its been happening like this since the mid-90's, and it will keep on going on like this. It's nothing new.
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Thanks MF.....I was hoping you would reply.
I'll post my answers in caps....
IT'S BEEN EXACTLY 7 DAYS SINCE i PLANTED
Dig some of the seeds up - are they germinating and then not come up through the soil, or are they not even germinating?
JUST DUG UP ABOUT 10 HOLES AND FOUND A LOT MISSING [CRITTERS EATING?] AND A FEW STRUGLING SPROUTS
How large is this area and exactly where in Thailand are you?
AREA IS 10'X10' BLOCK FOR BETTER GERMINATION. PLANTS ON 1' CENTERS
IN CHIANG MAI
To little - not for germination but for growth: they will be on top of one another and fighting for nutrition from the soil in the limited soil volume avaliable with that spacing, and to a lesser extent foilage crowding will impact exposure to sunlight and further reduce growth - on the 10' x 10' area you are planting in I'd say you want at least 7" between rows and 4" between plants in each row (I wouldn't go less than that)
No benefit to 3 seeds - 1 seed is fine - you only plant more than one seed if you are woried about the seed quality, which is what I was thinking until you say on wet paper tests you are getting 95% germination.
WAS DOING IT THE INDIAN WAY OF 'ONE FOR THE BIRDS, ONE FOR THE INSECTS AND ONE FOR ME'
Take it down to 2 - that will be plenty plenty .... and of course get rid of the rice hull (yes, birds quickly learn that rice hull spot = corn seed below!)
Yes - saturation is a problem - unlpoughed clay soil is saturated and offers little to no nutrition.
WATER SATURATION?....WISH I HAD A TRACTOR!!
10' x 10' ... pointless using a tractor really, just loosen it all up to about 8" with a garden fork - that should be fine
Temperature - and there is every indication we are heading next week towards some very cold wheather, and temp is a big factor on germination which slows it down considrably and even stops it.
IT'S BEEN QUITE WARM STILL HERE IN CM
Fair enough, that removes temp from the equation (by the way any idea what your nighttime temp is dropping to?)
Rice hulls - something could be leaching out of the rice hulls(?)
RICE HULLS ARE NOT FRESH AND HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS FOR A WHILE AND OTHER PLANTS ARE DOING WELL N IT.
Okay - that takes rice hulls as well out of the equation
Try this take a 12 to 24 plastic plastic coke bottles and cut them in half: fill loosely with clay soil from the field/area where you were going to plant outside, plant a single seed in each bottle at just over an 1" depth - say around 3cm - 4cm. Cover half with rice hull and half with soil and place them somewhere where they are going to get as much sunlight as possible. Water? - just keep the soil moist.
WILL DO
We are heading now for a cold period, and thats going to slow germination down big time, but so long as you are getting day time temps of 23 - 25 degrees and above you should see germination within about a week.
IT HAS BEEN AN UNNUSUALLY WARM OCTOBER, STARTING TO COOL A LITTLE AT NIGHT, BUT STILL HOT IN THE DAY
If they haven't germinated within a week, dig them all up and check out the condition of the seeds.
Where are these seeds coming from and how old are they?
THE FIRST BATCH WERE GIVEN TO ME AND WERE MOST PROBABLY OVER THE HILL, BUT THE 2ND BATCH, I JUST RECEIVED IN THE MAIL AND AS I SAID TESTED 95% ON PAPER TOWELS
In the mail....!! Go round to your local ag supply store and purchase a 250gram or 500gram box of treated sweet corn seed ... yes, it'll cost a couple hundred Baht, but you will be starting off then with a known quality of inoculated seed stock
I SEE THE LOCAL FARMERS PLANTING CORN DIRECTLY IN UNPLOUGHED RICE FIELDS.....WHAT'S THEIR TRICK??
No trick - but they are probably using inoculated seed as a start, probably covering with soil and not tamping down - as said I think you are planting a little on the deep side - try shallower and just cover with loose soil - don't tamp down to hard.
You may wish to add some nitrogen fertilser - do this when loosenign up tthe soil with your garden fork - half a dozen hand fills cast over the 10' x 10' should be plenty sufficient.
That all said - its a small area so you may care to try this (not practical if you are growing fields of corn, but for a garden sized crop, its practical): purchase a couple seed trays from the local hardware shop. Go find some soil from the forest or anywhere where there is dense bush growth - you want to get under the bush and fill up a sack with your spade, of soil from underneatth the bush - it will be full of decomposed organic matter and excellent media for germination. Plant your seeds in the trays - they will all be at the same depth and have the same soil compaction above - place the trays on a couple of stones (so they can drain from the holes in the base) and water 2 times a day - morning & evening - drench them out with water, the excess will drain out the base. Put the trays somewhere where they will get max sunlight. Garuntee you have 90% - 100% germination. let them grow to around 4" and then transplant - dont pull the plant out, push it out of the seed tray form the base and plant the whole root ball with the soil that was in the seed tray. water thouroughly every couple days and you will get good a bunch of good healthy plants.
If this doesn't work (i.e. the plants subsequently die in the ground) then it has to be a soil issue.
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GENTLEMEN FARMING, seems to be out of the question here as all of the posters have stated. There is just no way,to get a return on your money equal to the bank at any percent. We all have ideas of giving our Thai gals self-substinance, but it just Ain't gonna happen here. I have done my research, have some experience in farming, agriculture, and business and the bottom line is, no way hosse" it you could steal the land, get free labor, and be a great straw boss, your chances of making a profit are slim at best.
Production land cost here is 4X that of America. Production per rai if dismal. My area, Louisiana, produces nearly 3X times per rai. My Thai wife has rice land, a little, wants more, surprise. I am going to buy instead, 2 pigs, 2 chickens, a milk cow, and a bad dog to watch them.
russ
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Thai Court System Myth And Reality
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Ray23
Having judgement in your favour is one thing - been able to exercise that judgement and get the defendent to pay up is often another thing.
Question: presume this is a civil/commercial type case with some sort of financial recompense due at the end of the day (?) - do you envisage been able to actually get that recompense, or is that going to be another 7 years ....plus?