JensenZ

11 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

That would be nice but ...

 

The mother can't be sued as she was not driving the car. The injured parties can take the driver to court and if found guilty (surely he would be) they could be awarded a sum determined by the court. But getting paid is another matter entirely. Seems that the Mother ain't going to help in that regard.

Of course she is liable and can be sued. First check if she has money, then go for it.

31 minutes ago, Ron jeremy said:

And what planes will they be coming back on, ??? Air canada just announced no international flights till Christmas.

Australia made an initial assessment of no international flights for 6 months, until late October. They will be setting up a safety bubble with New Zealand, so that's another country out.

You'd wonder why they want tourists back so soon considering the possibility of being infected by dirty foreigners, as they labelled them recently. Surely Europe is out too for quite some time.

15 hours ago, balo said:

Lets face it, 2021 will not be a good year for tourism, in 2022 maybe the economy is strong enough for people to travel. 

I heard some more of the same old nonsense today about how they want to attract quality tourists over quantity of sh*t tourists. Good luck with that. Even if Thailand somehow manages to attract quality tourists in the next year or so, they won't be coming to Pattaya.

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

Maybe this time Pattaya will use this restart opportunity to emerge a better and more like a proper resort town than a cowboy's dive and slime joint, will Pattaya fathers will learn and implement new ways or things are just going to go back to the cesspool state it used to be...

IMO it will be the small "slime joint" businesses that will get through this, and the bigger decent businesses will collapse. How will the International Hotels survive? They need a lot of momentum to get to a situation where they can open and cover their running costs. They will need a minimum level of international tourists before they can even open. How soon can international tourists return. Will they want to return to a dead town. By the time International tourists are thinking about returning, the malls will have become empty canyons. They were doing it tough even before the lockdown.

Pattaya could end up a bigger "cowboy's dive" than it has ever been.

The Thai government should have thought more about the consequences before they turned off the lights, but unfortunately government officials are not businessmen and don't rely on enterprise to keep their cushy jobs.

At least in more advanced economies the governments have put a lot of effort into supporting businesses while they remain closed. Here it's every businessman for himself.

In the article it talks about how this is the worst thing that ever happened to Pattaya. It didn't just happen, they made it happen with a draconian shutdown. This is what happens when a military general tries his hands at politics. They don't have the slightest clue of what to do. It's the blind leading the blind.

Pattaya will never be the same again. What it becomes post covid-18 is the only question.

11 hours ago, Raymonddiaz said:

Because when Thais are drunk they do stupid things and the COVID-19 cases go through the roof.

Irrespective of whether it prevents infections, having less drunk people around makes the job of enforcing the rules and curfew a lot easier.

Banning it in stages was a good idea to prevent people from hoarding it.

12 hours ago, TheDark said:

I believe it's a fact, that there is no alcohol sales until further notice. We can't change that by talking here.

 

But what each of us can do, is to direct our eagerness to drink beer to something else. We have to do that, no matter what. 

 

It would be nice to hear what kind of hobbies people have started or continued because of the current and continuing situation. Solutions.

This thread, as I write this is 40 pages long, after 12 hours, so you have your answer already. All the drinkers have the hobby of posting and complaining about the alcohol ban. No other subject comes close.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Idiots. When they remove the COVID-19 "certificate" requirement, plus 100K USD insurance requirement, they may get some tourists back.

They don't seem to realise airlines worldwide have drastically curtailed services, because they have no passengers.

Even worse. They had better hope not too many countries follow Australia's initiative, announced today. They have banned international travel for 6 months, until October.

The way they word this report it's like tourists are going somewhere else and need to be lured back to Thailand. There are no tourists and won't be any for quite some time. Where will they come from? Maybe Chinese and Indian tourists only. The oil rich Middle Eastern countries have taken a huge pay cut with near zero oil prices, so they may be out too.

Assuming Thailand had normal tourist numbers in January and February and half in March and then until the end of the year, zero tourists, that's an 80% drop at least.

18 hours ago, timendres said:

You can bet your bottom dollar that Trump will be making demands alongside AU before November, if it plays to his voting base. Let's see if the US consumer is smart enough to shun Made in China.

Why would it not play to his voting base. A tough stance on China has always been his policy. He doesn't need to ask voters.

I had an LOL moment yesterday when I saw a couple on a motorcycle wearing face masks and no helmets.  

There definitely some advantages. The wife doesn't need to spend time putting on makeup, so that makes going out a lot faster and it saves a lot of money on makeup. They also make a lot of expats more handsome LOL.

I suggested to my wife to use masks even when the pandemic is over to save on makeup.

6 hours ago, champers said:

I read somewhere that 100,00 arrived in Thailand from Wuhan during the period, many on direct flights. Wuhan is the size of London; they travelled accross the globe but due to the proximity to SE Asia moreso to Thailand and other ASEAN countries.

I don't know about size, but if you mean population, Wuhan has nearly 25% more people than London.

9 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Exactly allegedly an English speaking Thai police acquaintance doing a mate a favour.

Something fishy about this but who knows TIT they have there own way.

To start a defamation case you go a lawyer not the police.

First Steps in a Defamation Lawsuit

1. File Complaint.

Once you've met with your attorney and he or she has done some initial investigation, a Complaint will be filed. ...

 

2. Service and Discovery.

After a lawsuit is filed, the defendant has to be served and has a brief window of time in which to respond in writing. ...

 

3. Depositions.

You should file a police report. They will not act on it, but it's the first step before you contact your lawyer.

8 hours ago, pegman said:

The Johnson regime can't even do a dead by virus count. Hopeless.

it's not as easy as you're suggesting. A lot of deaths of very elderly people might have been inevitable before the outbreak, but when they test positive, they are considered a covid-19 death. Old people die. How many of these people were close to death before the outbreak? In normal circumstances a cold or flu would push them over the edge, but of course, now it has a name. It's no longer some vague seasonal flu or pneumonia - it's now covid-19.

Using Australia as a good example, because they list every death along with age, either exact or approximate. I'm constantly updated about the death of a person in their 80's or 90's succumbing to covid-19. Were these people expected to live forever before covid-19. The first reported covid-19 death in Australia was a 95 year old woman and quite a number of others were over 90.

5 hours ago, BigStar said:

  

Nah, same old story. Back already broken many years ago, last nail in coffin driven, golden eggs layers departed, tourism never to revive, Pattaya dead forever. Can cite posts for you, but not supposed to do that and posters get upset if you quote previous stupidity.

 

Guess you're new here. Our ace TVF Pattaya Coroners yearly exhume the Pattaya corpse (usually twice, low season and high) to perform fresh autopsies, confirming all the same reasons for the Death that supposedly occurred decades ago, and issue their own new Final Death Certificates.

 

For n00bs with low post counts, it's a rite of passage towards achieving forum cred.

 

 

For our aged, fading old doomsters it's part of their last struggle to remain somehow relevant, to feel important in a world where (sniff!) nobody cares to listen to them, and to punish Pattaya for not remaining in stasis since 1995. Not that they could handle that again, mind you.

 

Bigots and haters all gleefully join in with sour grapes from everywhere to chant the usual chants. And we always hear a cacophony of croaks from the weeds just outside the warm glow of our beloved cesspool. A Death thread is always good for business, inevitably gaining lots of page views, and is encouraged in various ways.

 

Recently, however, with the appearance of a tiresome new Chief Mortician Troll in the neighborhood, we have 4 Death threads continuously updated, more in the News forum. The new Final Death By Virus trope had already been seized upon, so this thread is merely a repeat of the same as well.

 

I've probably been here as long as you have or maybe longer, and as another member suggested, your posting style is reminiscent of JSixPack. I just didn't bother posting, but I've read dozens of your posts, including the infamous Songkran threads. I enjoy your posting style, but here you are just plain wrong...

To suggest this is just a another "Pattaya is dying" thread is absurd. It's not just Pattaya that has died, but all economies around the world. As a tourist destination, Pattaya is closely linked to the economies of other nations. We are yet to discover what will happen when economies attempt to restart. Singapore has already given us a clue that the road forward could be very bumpy.

I didn't actually say that Pattaya will permanently die, but that it will never be the same again. It will recover to be something completely different, but that will take years.

A lot of members focus on the demise of the sex tourism industry in Pattaya, losing sight of the bigger picture.

I worry about hotels and shopping malls, which were primarily kept alive by "normal" tourists.

For example, most retailers at Terminal 21 were hurting well before Covid-19. Many retailers never made money there since it opened in October 2018. I don't know what chance they have to survive after this. 

The damage of this shut down reaches far and wide. Just 2 examples I noticed this week. My regular car wash has gone. They won't be coming back as the building had been demolished. My optometrist has gone too and won't be coming back. The signs were taken away.

4 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

A lot of the girls are already here in Pattaya

 

May I remind you that about 50% of the population is female. Anyone wanting to hook up with girls should not have a problem and it might be better than ever, just different. The attitude of the girls will be somewhat softer and punters will be more handsome than ever.

55 minutes ago, seajae said:

tell them you will remove it if refunded and as soon as you have the money ot will be taken down, just remove the do not buy from them asap

That's crazy advice. Don't wait, remove it immediately and hope that the seller hasn't already gone to consult a lawyer. Even removing it won't change the situation much. Even if it was up for a day or even 5 minutes he's still liable for defamation because the review is in the public domain.

9 hours ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

But this sentence might open up an avenue for escape... 

Of course there might be a chance to escape conviction, but let's explore what a win will cost the OP:
 

1. He gets 2 summons to attend a criminal AND a civil court hearing.

2. 3 court appearances will be necessary to win the criminal case. That will probably span over a period of 6 - 9 months depending on how busy the courts are.

3. He spends a lot of money on a lawyer. My guess is a good one, one with the skills (and motivation) to win such a case, will cost at least 200k. There's at least 5 court appearances for the lawyer with both cases.

4. Before the 3rd hearing of the criminal case he will have to post bail and surrender his passport. His current visa is cancelled.

5. If he wins the criminal case, that doesn't automatically mean a win in the civil case. He still has to fight that one. The lawyer will charge him a percentage of the damages the plaintiff is claiming to fight it. This is standard legal practice in Thailand. I can't remember the amount they charge, but I think it's about 10% of the plaintiff's claim. Thai lawyers love these civil cases.

That's the plus side if he wins both cases.

It doesn't matter if a lawyer tells him he will win if he fights. The lawyer will most likely do a poor job and lose. Either way, the OP will pay big money for a lawyer, win or lose.

if the seller goes to consult a lawyer, the OP is screwed in too many ways to count. As I said, there is no upside here. Even if the seller has a poor case, he can still sue, and in that case it's very likely they will force a settlement from the OP either before the case, or at a court mediation (for both cases). The OP's risk is too great in a Thai court. A foreigner trying to do harm to a Thai business? The judge won't be on the OP's side from the start.

8 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Well that was predictable.  As we have said many times, without substantial breakwaters and  groynes protecting the bay, there is nothing that can be done to stop this erosion of the beach.   Any half decent hydrographer will tell them that. 

Where do you find a decent hydrographer or even a half decent one? Do you think one of them has ever visited Pattaya?

Surely even without one it's not hard to determine that water washes away sand.

On 4/21/2020 at 7:18 PM, petermik said:

You are repeating a story that crops up at least once a year for the past 20 odd years....

 

give it a rest

This is a totally new story. I also believe Pattaya will never be the same again. It will end up something different. The bar industry has been slowly declining for years, but this will break its back. Where will the customers come from to restart these businesses? How will they survive while waiting for customers to come back? The wait will be long. How will the hotels survive a long wait for the odd customers here and there?

It's easy to switch off the economy, but switching it on again will be a very slow and painful process during which time many businesses (or most) will go broke. 

On the bright side, traffic will be light and beaches will be clean.

3 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

This is Thailand...many rules and laws are in the eyes of the current power structure...

 

Who has your back if you stand firm?

 

Who has the business owner's back if he pursues a judgment against you?

 

Don't think for a minute that this will be a fair fight!

Actually the seller will win, even in a fair fight. The law is the law.

This might help, but this is only an informal opinion of defamation laws in Thailand:

========================================================================================================================== 

What do the laws in Thailand say about Defamation?

There are two types of defamation in Thailand. Under Section 423 of the Thai Civil and Commercial Code, defamation is defined as a person who makes false statements and circulates it as fact. The false statements must injure the reputation, credit, earnings, or prosperity of another person. If the defamer is found liable, the defamer shall compensate the defamed for any damages arising from the false statements. Even if the defamer does not know that his statements are false, as long as he knows that it should be false, the defamer is liable for defamation. The court is not bound by the criminal code’s limits on punishment in a civil case.

Under Section 326 of the Thai Criminal Code, defamation is defined as whoever imputes anything about another person to a third person in a manner likely to impair the person’s reputation or place the person in contempt or hatred by others. When defamation is committed by publication or other media made visible by any means, the offender is liable for imprisonment for up to two years and a fine of up to 200,000 baht. If the person who is accused of defamation is able to prove that the statement is true, the person shall not be punished. But the truth is not a defense for private matters that is not a benefit to the public (Section 330).

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/defamation-in-thailand-natural-fruits-corporation-vs-andy-hall/

==========================================================================================================================================

Even if the OP removes the offending comment now, the seller has 90 days to show the criminal court a screenshot of the comment. He has longer with a civil case.