Walker88

Always amusing to see how trumpers rationalize and justify illegality. The former so-called "law and order Party" has morphed into the "And you thought Popes were infallible Party!", where anything their messiah does---from paying off porn stars while cheating on his latest wife to stealing classified documents and lying about it, to pressuring a State official to alter votes, to calling his goobers to DC on a day involving a simple pro forma certification of an election, to sending his goobers to attack the Capitol, to sitting on his bloated backside and doing nothing while watching a gallows erected on the Capitol grounds and his goobers chanting "Hang Mike Pence"---is kosher (to be somewhat ecumenical with Popes and kosher). Any illegality in the service of their messiah is okay.

In trumpistan, terrorists are "hostages and political prisoners" (you know, the ones who beat 140 cops, sh!t on the floor of the Capitol and rubbed the feces on the walls, smashed windows and doors, and tried to find the VP and SotH to do both severe harm), lies are 'alternative facts', truth isn't truth (Rudy), the 'best economy ever' isn't in the top 70%, and elections are "heads I win, tails you lose".

LOL   "trumpers"

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There seemed to be a few of you who just have to regularly have the same discussion over and over again with both sides saying the same thing to each other over and over again  , it does get rather repetitive . 

   Although you do seem to be the last one left .

Maybe its time to finally move on ?

And there you remain, holding up the trumpers' side.

Same thing over and over....I suppose one could say that about trump, Israel, Ukraine, Thailand-good-or-bad, Brit royals....nobody ever has his or her mind changed, but what the heck. The Forum has to have discussion, if it is to draw ads. I'm just doing my part for Capitalism.

By the way, I often ask trumpers to explain things, such as why trump stole all of those documents, why he lied about it, why he told Brad Raffensperger to "just find me...11,780 votes", why he called his goobers to DC for 6 Jan 21 Tweeting "It'll be WILD!", why he held the Mall rally and told his goobers to "march to the Capitol" and "fight like hell", or why trump could call out the DC police to forceably remove peaceful protesters from Lafayette Park just so trump could hold a Bible upside down for a photo op, but refused to send the DC National Guard to the Capitol on 6 January to break up a violent terrorist attack, despite being informed the DC Guard was standing ready to deploy. And NO, the Speaker does not have the authority to call the Guard...just the President.

No trumper ever offers any coherent explanation.

4 minutes ago, Excogitator said:

That has a lot to do with the booming stockmarket and strong economic growth under Biden. Biden, unlike Trump, has not gone out of his way to cut their taxes...

Isn't it amazing how 'trickle down' via tax cuts never actually reaches the majority, but strong organic growth, such as the strongest growth since the late 1990s, lifts most all boats, billionaires and the educated/clever alike. That it might leave out the poorly educated trumpers is not the fault of Biden, as people must have a needed skill or talent to partake in the modern economy. On balance, trumpers lack anything the modern economy demands, so understandably they are not keeping up.

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not for war material.

So the Ukrainians should just let the russians bomb their schools and hospitals and not fight back? Let russia slaughter their people and take their country? That sounds both cowardly and stupid.

The Ukrainians have showed immense courage in the face of heinous aggression by putin. Like many, likely most Americans, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to support Ukraine's fight against aggression.

17 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Shouldn't really politicise this guys death , by turning into a rant about Trump .

The deceased wasn't even a Trump supporter .

Rather suspicions that you have to keep repeating that the election wasn't stolen , like some posters keep needing to tell everyone that they aren't anti Semitic , for no apparent reason 

Lots of folks need constant reminders that the election wasn't stolen and that nearly 4 years later zero proof of any theft has been presented. That crazy conspiracy theory/trump lie resulted in the terrorist attack on the US Capitol, so it is abundantly clear the constant reminder is absolutely necessary, especially as trump continues to lie about it to this day.

You might ask yourself why trump continues to lie about it. For what purpose?

Poor fellow.

The bizarre world of conspiracy 'theorists' is heavily skewed toward trumpers, no matter what this poor fellow's politics happened to be. Conspiracy theorist's favorite phrase seems to be "do the research", which supposedly was what gave them great insight into truths (sic). The internet not only allows such people to find whatever they want, but also allows them to link up and reinforce each others' beliefs. The poor fellow at the heart of this article undoubtedly found what fit his biases online. He seems to have bought into a cornucopia of the many popular conspiracy theories.

Here's a few of these "popular" conspiracy theories:

1) The world of QAnon (for those who don't know, this is a belief that an international cabal, led by people such as Hillary Clinton and actor Tom Hanks, kidnap, rape, roast and eat human babies) is 99.999% trumpers, and has about 20-25% of Americans as believers. They are ubiquitous at trump rallies, holding giant Q signs, and they were a substantial element of the terrorists who stormed the Capitol at trump's bidding on 6 January 2021, toting their Q banners. It is unclear if trump actually believes the whole Q drivel or not, but he most certainly panders to it and feeds into it. One of the QAnon beliefs is that trump was going to lead The Great Storm, which would round up all the supposed baby-eaters and reinstall trump as POTUS, first at the time of the 6 January attack, then in August of 2021, then August of 2022, then August of 2023. trump even discussed his re-installation in an interview, claiming it would happen and telling the interviewer, "It's too complicated for you to understand". In 2022 trump posted an image of himself on Truth Social wearing a Q lapel pin with the words "The Storm is Coming" (It can be found on trump's Truth Social history).

2) trump himself was the originator of the conspiracy theory about "stolen" election, having his team issue the phrase "Stop the Steal". All sorts of absurdities were added to this conspiracy theory, the craziest being from trump's lawyer Sidney Powell, who claimed dead former Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez rose from the grave, wrote computer code which he uploaded to an Italian satellite, which subsequently altered votes on Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines. Fox News even aired some of this nonsense, and was subsequently fined $787 million and still faces a $2 billion lawsuit from Smartmatic. My Pillow founder Mike Lindell added his own crazy theories, is constantly announcing 'proof is coming soon', but his proof is like Godot. Sadly, this trump-initiated conspiracy theory was largely behind the terror attack on the Capitol. Another former trump lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, also claimed he had proof coming, but never produced any.

3) Yet another conspiracy theory is "weaponization of the Justice Dept", which non-conspiracy theorists just call accountability. trumpers insist that the very fact that trump has been charged with so many crimes is "proof" of a DoJ conspiracy, seemingly forgetting that trump is perfectly capable of committing so many crimes, and the evidence and testimony from former trump officials are what resulted in the current 91 felony charges against trump. trumpers could use Occam's Razor, but refuse to do so.

4) George Soros...Soros is a favorite target of conspiracy theorists, though one has to wonder why. It likely has an anti-Semitic element to it. Whenever an event happens that riles the far right and trumpers, Soros is always blamed for funding or fomenting it. The more batsh!t crazy conspiracy theorists even claim Soros is some sort of shape-shifting 10' Lizard who takes human form to cause all sorts of mischief.

5) Globalists...this is a kind of catchall where everything can be tossed into one package, and seems to be part of what drove the man who self-immolated to madness. Globalists are apparently some sort of cabal that either already runs the world or has some special plans to do so. Somehow, international leaders who hate each other or major businessmen who are in constant competition are actually all part of some highly cooperative group that tries to keep the people down and use the masses for their own personal gain.

6) Lots of other weird conspiracies are embraced, such as "chemtrails", FEMA Camps, 9-11 Truthers, the rogue planet Nibiru, and others that would be even funnier if for the fact so many believe them. It is a sad reality that on balance all of these believers gravitate toward trumpism.

Good cartoon about the real TDS:

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

Quick question for all you legal beagles out there... 

 

What NY state felony is Trump on trial for?  Answer must include the actual statute.  Bonus points for a link to the actual text of the statute.

 

THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:

SECOND COUNT: AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:

THIRD COUNT: AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follow

FOURTH COUNT: AND THE GRAND JURY AFORESAID, by this indictment, further accuses the defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE, in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows:

Etc.

There are 34 counts in all. You can access it here, along with the “committed as follows” parts

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-indictment-full-text-read-court-document-rcna78051

The law says 'a jury of his peers', but admittedly the court needed some extra latitude in that regard.

I mean, how many other morbidly obese, mendacious, narcoleptic, serial philandering, racist, Narcissistic, twice impeached, convicted sex offenders, convicted bank and insurance fraudsters, convicted charity fraudsters facing 91 felony indictments are out there?

1 hour ago, saintdomingo said:

Robinson Caruso.? I suspect your spellchecker is playing games with you driller.

Isn't he an operatic tenor?

Who do those silly Democrats think they are that the Legislative Branch of government is supposed to legislate?

Better all those 435 folks in the House are Performance Artists.

Give us more lunatics like MTG, Matt "PizzaGaetz", Lauren Bimbobert (the non-high school graduate), and Gym "That's Strauss" Jordan!

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. The concern of some of us isn't that the law per se is erroneous, but the sheer number of indictments. If anyone really believes they are not politically motivated to have been brought just in time for election season and not in the previous 3 years, I have a few bridges for sale, hardly used and going cheap.

Do you think trump's years of delay tactics just might have something to do with the cases all piling up now?

Or should I have stopped after the first 3 words of this post?

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The judge wouldn't even qualify as a member of the jury!

 

“Dem clients of daughter of NY judge in Trump hush-money trial raised $93M off the case”.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/30/us-news/dem-clients-of-daughter-of-judge-in-trump-trial-raised-90m-off-case/

 

In what Universe do the feelings of the daughter fall on the father?

I guess only in trumpistan.

Does it go father-to-son?

trump's daddy was arrested at a KKK march in NYC in the 1920s!

1 hour ago, Doctor Tom said:

If you think that, then think again.  The sole reason for the programme is to develop nuclear weapons, and yes, that is illegal.  They were helped by both the French and the Pakistanis, no surprise there. Yes, you are right, in that the totally inadequate treaty was quite rightly torn up by the US, so there are insufficient to no checks going on. 

If a nation has not signed the international agreement against the development of nukes, then they are breaking no law. Israel hasn't signed any agreement either, so if Iran's program is illegal, Israel's 140 already-built nukes would also be illegal.

That's just semantics, not a slur against Israel.

As for the JCPOA, which trump abrogated, it was 100% successful. I've written this elsewhere enough, but the combo of the JCPOA and Stuxnet had Iran a decade or more away from even coming close to a nuke. (Even the Israeli govt admitted its success, although they tried to muddy the waters by 'leaking' documents from 2003 about Iran's nuke program...the equivalent of Iraq's WMD, which Saddam had ceased development of after Gulf War I.) The JCPOA was also intended as a stepping stone to additional deals, such as getting Iran away from supporting Shi-a terrorism. Tearing it up, as trump did simply because it was an Obama victory, put everything back to square one, and most significantly, put Iran back in the nuke game.

The Iranians are quite clever, despite their mullahs' attempts to keep the place in the 7th Century. They might even have been the first nation after the US to independently develop nukes (Oppenheimer was incorrect that others would figure it out; instead, tech transfer and/or espionage was what gave every single other nuke power the ability.) Yes, Iran got help from Pakistan's A. Q. Khan, who got his knowledge from the Chinese, who got it via espionage. Iran's missile tech came from a very roundabout source which I won't note, but it would surprise many here. I believe it remains classified still.

Israel does not have the weaponry able to take out Iran's deepest bunkers, but they can take out power stations adjacent to HS centrifuge facilities, as HS centrifuges require an extremely steady and non-fluctuating power intake (A superior power station is one key used to detect nearby U235 enrichment facilities). Of course, Stuxnet, imbedded in imported machinery from an EU nation, worked previously to ruin Iran's HS centrifuge gear, which opened up things to engage in what resulted in the JCPOA.

Let's parse this:

Devin 'The Cow Farmer' Nunes, who has no experience nor skills running a social media platform, is going to help his overlord dump his 57% stake by exciting the goobers enough to buy more stock.

Already somebody finally helped orchestrate the short covering rally everyone had predicted weeks ago, and as Dozo the Catatonic Clown is allowed to register more of his stake for sale, it will be dumped onto the losers who are Dozo's cult.

Those losers will add eventually worthless stock to their unenviable collection that now includes Chinese-made red hats, absurdly garish golden sneakers, NFTs that portray Dozo as everything he lacks the courage and skill to ever be, pieces of the suit he was booked in in Georgia, and the sacrilege of a Bible autographed by someone who regularly breaks all Seven Deadly Sins as well as at least 9 of 10 Commandments.

Losers gonna lose. trumpers gonna be trumpers, though I repeat myself there. To be a trumper is prima facie evidence of being a loser in life. Of extremely limited intellect, lacking in anything remotely approaching success, trying to live vicariously through a trumper's version of Alpha Male (LOL).....oh woe is they!

trumpers should ask themselves this: Would anyone anywhere ever wish they were you?

LOL!

If reincarnation were actually a real thing, bad people would come back as a trumper......and wish they were a cockroach or something honorable.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Only when the sample size is 0.0006% of the voting population. 

Clearly you have zero knowledge of statistics, sampling, margin of error, degrees of freedom, etc.

Didn't teach that in Wood Shop, eh?

Each and every day trumpers prove Hillary actually overestimated them.

1 hour ago, NickyLouie said:

Joe Biden will be dead or committed to a mental hospital before Donald Trump crushes him in the 2024 election.

 

Prepare for total civil unrest by Antifa.   

Is your degree in Psychiatry from trump U?

Or maybe you're just spewing zibel from your backside, as trumpers are wont to do.

Here, Have some Covfefe with an "illegal adlithin" (the latter from trump's weekend speech).

"Man Woman Person Camera TV" still impresses guys like you, doesn't it?

Come on, someone has to say it.....something 'Phi Shi' about this story.

How dare that little Talibangical Johnson dare to actually try to legislate! Doesn't he know the Repub House members are Performance Artists and not legislators! Wait until their love muffin Dozo the Clown wakes up from his court room stupor. There'll be hell to pay, in the form of nasty Truth (sic) Socials and probably even a new nickname!

2 minutes ago, Romano Bummies said:

 

Yeah well you might wanna read with a bit more focus then.

You haven't stated a single fact, Sparky.

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the meaning of the term.

5 minutes ago, Romano Bummies said:

 

 

I state facts, you fantasize.

Must have missed those.

Would they be "alternative facts", like Kellyanne Conway?

You've yet to produce a single fact. You state opinions only, which you do not base on, nor evidence any indication whatsoever of, law.

Just trumpish gibberish about "weaponization", i.e., "I am above the law and immune from prosecution" or "You can't prosecute me; I'm running a campaign!"

Sorry, pork. It doesn't work that way.