6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Trump's spy chief just released 'Russian disinformation' against Hillary Clinton that he acknowledged may be fabricated

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe declassified a dubious claim from Russian intelligence sources alleging that former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton "approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal" against then-Republican candidate Donald Trump and his ties to Russia.

Ratcliffe said in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham that the US intelligence community "does not know the accuracy" of the allegation "or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication."

The DNI's move raised questions about why the nation's spy chief declassified information that had not been corroborated and which he himself admitted may be false or exaggerated.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dni-ratcliffe-declassifies-russian-intelligence-disinformation-clinton-election-2020-9

Apples and Oranges what is your point? One is not related to the other. One says that Intelligence on Russian activity indicates they were under the belief (The Russians) that Clinton had given the order to begin dis-info campaign against Trump claiming he was backed by the Russians (or to that effect) , and the other is the DNI stating no such intel exists on a laptop  that would indicate it came from the Russians or is part of a Russian disinfo campaign. What is your issue here?

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

So far, anyone in Trump's inner circle have been "Yes" men.  You disagree, you're gone.  It's a long list so far, including some highly decorated generals.

 

I just put up a link showing 50 former intelligence officers are saying this is BS.  Did you read that?

 

The NY Post is owned by Murdoch, who owns Faux News.  Both dodgy sources for news.

 

A political lackey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ratcliffe_(American_politician)

Later, Ratcliffe claimed on Fox News that the special counsel investigation's report was not written by special counsel Robert Mueller, but by "Hillary Clinton’s de facto legal team".^[

 

 

I would say he is correct on that. We know the truth about who ran Mueller's team. Don't we? You don't? I am not impressed by your finding news articles that seem to support your position. As I have said previously, the CURRENT DNI has made a statement that no such intelligence has been received by him, or passed by him which would claim that the laptop is part of a Russian dis-info campaign. Now let's top right there? Is that true or false? If you claim it is false then I would gather it would not be too difficult to find out if the truth is that he is sitting on a trove of intelligence that states the opposite. In fact I would bet it would already have been leaked to the press. In fact Adam Schiff, surely would have called an immediate press conference to say he has current intelligence that was indeed passed to him by the DNI, and the intel agency heads likewise would have made statements that contradict the DNI, but alas, that has not happened has it. So who is pedalling conspiracy here me? As for Trump and his cabinet or who he has fired, what does that have to do with a laptop. Let's make this easy: Again, I expect Joe Biden to resign from running any minute now.  I could be wrong. But I can make a guess right? I I realize this board is HQ in Hong Kong but I assume I have some freedom of speech that will allow me make a guess.

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

So nothing Trump has done concerns you?  You are happy with everything he's done so far?

 

Read this and get back to us.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-properties-swamp.html

The Swamp That Trump Built

A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.

Who is us? Do you refer to yourself in the plural? Your article is not the topic of this post. It is simply noise and I am not interested in any unsubstantiated garbage designed as a hit job against the President. I do not read the NY times and do not get free access to the NY times and there is a paywall on the article. You didn't notice?

Just now, heybruce said:

Which ignores my question about the conclusions of the investigation. 

 

Like many Trump fans, you will optimistically assume that investigations targeting Democrats prove guilt, while investigations targeting Trump prove conspiracies.

I am not a "Trump fan". I am an American Citizen, 62 years old, Retired US Navy, and I have voted for both parties in my lifetime. I am a conservative.

I have seen many political scandals and followed them all closely and have never seen one as serious as this, unless you count the entire scandal to remove the President from office. That one is every bit as big.

I am deeply concerned about the activities of Joe and Hunter Biden, have been able to see the obvious issue ever since it was found that his son was on the board of Burisma. And more and more keeps getting added. I have no reason to doubt that a Computer repair shop fabricated the laptop. I have no reason to believe that the drop off signature is s forgery, No reason to question the Hunter Biden's attorney contacted the shop to get it back, no reason to doubt the 2ndary verification of receiving parties on the emails as to their authenticity. I suppose I could call all of this in question but that seems to more on the implausible end then the story itself.

I sincerely hope that Joe Biden withdraw his name from consideration. Please refrain from insult in your response that no doubt would ask that I ignore the above as having any foundation in reality.

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

And what were the conclusions of this Senate Body regarding illegal activities by the Bidens?

They did not have the legal capacity to investigate further then they did and it was referred to the DOJ who do have such capacity.

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Clearly the tactic here is to throw out unsubstantiated BS.

 

What evidence pointed in that direction?  Remember the rule from the Mueller Report--no indictment means total vindictation.

 

How can the investigation be ongoing if the report has been released?  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-report-burisma-ukraine-senate-republican-released/

The report was from a Senate Body that is not in the business of indictments. They passed their findings on to the DOJ.

Just now, heybruce said:

He tore up (abandoned) the Paris Climate Change agreement and the Iraq Nuclear Treaty.  He abandoned the Kurds, our only capable ally in the Middle East, during the Syria War.  Trump was clearly fishing for a big purchase of farm products for China in time to make an impact in the election.   https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564/

Do you understand what the definition of a Treaty is in the United States? look it up Bruce. That Paris agreement never had the backing of Americans to succeed in being a Treaty. That is why Treaties are very important. There must be a strong consensus among Americans before we enter into a Treaty. The rest of your post is opinion. Are you a fan of Neo conservative war monger John Bolton? Worst mistake ever made by Trump was letting that guy anywhere near foreign policy of the USA.

20 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Oh well, if you say there must be much more, there must be.  It's not like you come across as a conspiracy theorist on steroids.

 

Awe Gee, let's wait and see what happens. One of us is wrong. That is for sure.

Just now, heybruce said:

I think I know which poster you are referring to.  I asked him what he thought about being a citizen of a US ally with defense treaties with the US and Trump's habit of insulting allies, tearing up treaties and abandoning allies in a time or war.  He didn't reply.

 

Though it could be the one who just had faith Trump would always stand up to China.  I pointed out that Trump would abandon Australia and anywhere else for a good trade deal with China.  He also didn't reply.

 

However if you are keenly interested in what the rest of the world thinks of Trump, there are sources that tell you:

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/08/how-people-around-the-world-see-the-u-s-and-donald-trump-in-10-charts/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/02/trump-has-turned-america-into-pitiful-pariah/

You tell lies here Bruce. What treaty is it you refer to that he tore up? Which allies abandoned in time of war?  Why would you say the United States would abandon Australia under Trump? As just the opposite has been happening. It is wrongful for you to say such things. but please answer my questions.

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Everything in my post was true.  You have posted nothing to refute it.

 

Now you are implying that the DOJ, under a Trump sycophant appointee, withheld evidence pertinent to the impeachment hearings that would have aided Trump.  You really come across across as being off the deep end.

Atty General Barr is not a sycophant appointee of Trump. The two men never knew each other before Barr took the job, and he came out of retirement precisely for the reason he did which was to attempt to right a wrong. Attorney General Barr was Atty General under Bush I , and I am not off the deep end, and do not make such claims as to my mental health because you disagree with my argument. That simply shows weakness on your part to argue rationally. So let's just let this lay. We now have a laptop. a signature of Hunter Biden, A business partner corroborating and adding to the story, reeipients of emails acknowledging the emails, and FBI admitting they have it.

Add this to the previous info we have on Ukraine. Let's just see where it all goes. Guess what, one of us is wrong. Dead wrong.

My guess, and I am serious, is that Joe Biden is going to bow out soon. I hope he does for the good of the my Country. Hope that does not anger you, as I know you have much vested in your candidate for President of a foreign Country.

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

People are having fits arguing that a claim of dubious origins must be true and prove....what?

 

The original NY Post article wrote that a Burisma board member wrote an email to Hunter Biden with the sentence:

 

"“Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure,” the email reads."

 

That's it.  There is no proof of a meeting.  If a meeting did happen, there is no proof that VP Biden was motivated to change US policy to Ukraine (or anything else) by the meeting. 

 

If all the speculation is true (a big "if") then it means a meeting that Joe Biden forgot about led to nothing.

 

So what?

There is just so much more. But hey, just ignore it.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Don't accept claims as facts please.

What claim is that? The business partner made a statement to the press, that is a first hand account. You would next have to make a claim he is lying? Sure you can do that. You can claim the laptop is fake, the emails fake, you can continue down this road. But that road is ending. But out of curiosity, what evidence would you need to see before you yourself would suggest that Biden resign his candidacy for the good of his party and for the good of the Country? I will hold you to it.

Additionally, no one here has mentioned what they think of a sitting Congressman and on the House Intel Committee Adam Schiff going on national TV to say that this laptop story is part of a Russian dis-information campaign, only to have the DNI (who is his source of intelligence on the committee) to follow him on national TV and accuse him of fabrication. The DNI was then backed up by both the CIA and FBI.

This is all rather strange don't you think? That a sitting Congressman would make such a claim? A complete lie?

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

What are you on about. Biden wasnt even in office at the time of this.

Please, when do you think this deal began to be put in place? And no other deals? and Ukraine also has an email trail. As I said, the truth is going to come out. Let's see where it leads. We have no bearing on the facts with our discussion. What is - will all come to light - just as it has been slowly coming to light for the last four years.

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

From the article...

 

while the date on the May 2017 e-mail would be nearly four months after Biden left the White House, it’s not known when discussions among the partners and with the Chinese first began. Certainly they started before the e-mail. And while such deals would be legal for Joe Biden when he left government service...

"Certainly they started before the email" let that sink in.

Hopefully this article from the NY Post which is the source for all of this story will not be censored.

There is now a gentleman by the name of Tony Bobulinski  a former business partner of Hunter Biden who claims to have additional information regarding Biden and dealings with China. His full complete statement to the Newspaper is included:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/