Fat is a type of crazy

The Singapore based part of their  business is ceasing. Jetstar otherwise the same. So still flights from Australia to Thailand direct the same as before. 

25 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Surely this Middle Stump poster must be some sort of forum shill, recruited to inflame other posters with his/her inane comments and increase thread replies?

 

... because I've never read such twaddle in all my life 🙂

It's Owl Sees All. Top bloke. Not sure what got him into this whole virus thing though. 

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Is that the same Pfizer which was fined $2.3 billion for marketing a drug with the intent to deceive and mislead the public? Just checking as it is my understanding we are into "reliable sources" on this forum.

 

Pfizer Hit with Largest Criminal Fine in US History

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/pfizer-hit-with-largest-criminal-fine-in-us-history/

It was an attempt at humour. I know Pfizer for you guys is like garlic to a vampire. 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There you go, at 82 (below the average life expectancy) you're older than all your friends.

So where have all these old living people gone that pull the average up to 83?

 

 

When my parent went into a nursing home you realise there's this whole world of people who you don't often see. There's old and then there's nursing home old. 

57 minutes ago, rumak said:

Shout out to Heather B......... for passing these along

 

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90 per cent of modern illnesses didn't exist hey. Care to expand on that. You really don't think vaccines have saved lives at all. 

I have not read these 4 pages. I get the sense it makes all the macho tough guys on this site feel good but it's not that big a deal to say -  if law enforcement's lives are directly threatened we will take action to neutralise the threat. Standard I would have thought.  If they are saying if you throw a brick at no one in particular you get shot that would be a something different thing. 

This is one of the more minor bad deeds but it is interesting that Trump supporters here never or rarely are  able to say - yeah this is a bit bad - Trump should do better. Instead it's almost like they feel they are profiting too  - not by money but by being able to laugh at people who stick to norms of behaviours and ethical standards

6 minutes ago, FlorC said:

What cross ?

It let me in the first time - maybe because I am in Australia - now it won't. Other articles address the conflict of interest issues though - I should think it is up to him to show evidence of his claim in detail - panelists had published conflict of interest information - including share holdings - you have to admit his examples were weak. Seems odd that the whole panel was apparently  flawed - each and every one - indicates it is more a gesture to please his supporters than aiming to have the best people in the position. 

Just now, FlorC said:

Can't read it : Continue reading this article with a Barron’s subscription

It let me in have after I  clicked the cross the first time .. 

11 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Not just about the money or how much and when paid.

 

 Kennedy has criticized members over their ties to pharmaceutical companies.

“The committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest and has become little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine. It has never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons,” he wrote in an op-ed. 

Barron's - a site rated as Centrist - fact checks those claims and says:

This isn’t true, and the wording doesn’t reflect what ACIP does.

ACIP’s role isn’t to approve or reject a vaccine, or to control which vaccines are on the market. That is the job of the Food and Drug Administration, which has its own vaccines advisory committee. ACIP’s job is to provide guidance about how licensed vaccines should be used.

ACIP has dropped recommendations in favor of a vaccine many times.

Further details in the article. https://www.barrons.com/articles/fact-checking-rfk-vaccine-wsj-op-ed-bd74018a

21 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Just for information :

 

Some Members Were Paid by Pharmaceutical Companies

Eight of the members whom Kennedy fired had been paid by pharmaceutical companies in the past, according to an Epoch Times review of disclosures and payment information.

Dr. Yvonne Maldonado, for instance, whose term started in 2024, received $4.6 million in research funding from Pfizer and $39,547 in payments from Pfizer and Merck in recent years. Her conflict of interest disclosures stated that she worked on clinical trials for Pfizer’s meningococcal, COVID-19, and RSV vaccines and that she abstained from related votes.

Other previous members received thousands of dollars from Sanofi, GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, Valneva, Merck, Janssen Pharmaceuticals, and Boehringer Ingelheim.

Most of the funding, but not all, came before the members joined the panel. Dr. Helen Keipp Talbot’s term started in 2018, and she reported receiving $7,500 in research funding and $4,662 in payments from Sanofi in 2019.

An email to Talbot returned an automated message directing requests for comment to a spokesman for Vanderbilt University Medical Center, her employer. The spokesman did not return an inquiry.

Kennedy has criticized members over their ties to pharmaceutical companies.

“The committee has been plagued with persistent conflicts of interest and has become little more than a rubber stamp for any vaccine. It has never recommended against a vaccine—even those later withdrawn for safety reasons,” he wrote in an op-ed.

The Department of Health also noted that all 17 members were appointed or had their terms renewed during the Biden administration, and that many were set to serve until 2027 or 2028. Keeping them in place would have meant that the Trump administration could appoint only a minority of members until then, limiting its ability “to take the proper actions to restore public trust in vaccines,” the department said in a statement.

Of the new members, Pagano reported receiving about $4,600 from pharmaceutical companies in recent years; Hibbeln reported receiving $338, including from AbbVie; and Meissner received less than $150 from Sanofi and another firm.

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/rfk-jr-announces-new-members-of-vaccine-advisory-panel-5871281

 

Malone :

Thank you for the honor of serving my country in this way,

@SecKennedy

. I will do my best to serve with unbiased objectivity and rigor.

https://x.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1932901388360847477

The best of the best in vaccines had worked with companies producing vaccines. What a shock. The ones who received big grants abstained by your own comments. Others received a pittance.

Though it is not unreasonable to have concerns and to ensure some objectivity - sometimes being an outsider - or being free of one dollar of vaccine company money - as may be the case for some of Kennedy's picks - can mean simply you are not as good as others . 

Owl doesn't see all

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Bullcrap. Socialism cannot exist without hate and violence. I defy you to show me any Socialist regime that is not murderous. Cant have equality without forcing it can we?

I haven't read all these pages but is socialism in your mind where the state controls every aspect of life and income is doled out equally or do you include countries where they have government run public transport, health, and some support measures and as such your definition of not being socialism is totally free markets and tiny government. Without a definition your tirades against socialism don't have much meaning or sense. 

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Available nutrition or the lack thereof like another mentioned. Texas is hotter on average than Thailand and has healthy, fat filled out cows everywhere. 

Lot of cattle in north east Australia and the Northern Territory too where its similar heat to Thailand

I think the op is a bit harsh. Everyone has a point of view on what might make the world better and having a chat on here to spell out your thoughts and get a reaction ain't so bad. I take your point though - when you see the same people going into battle day in day out with no change in opinion it can seem a bit pointless. 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly there are very stupid people who believe what they hear. Just need to look toward those that believe MSM.

I respect your right to be cynical of some aspects of news but it is unhelpful to conclude that so called  mainstream news is not to be believed. How do you define mainstream news? Are they all not to be believed? All of the time? What is their motives for not conveying the truth?  Are these people stupid or can most see that every news outlet as a nuance, a bias, or an emphases but still some are much more trustworthy and believable than others. What are the better alternatives? To simply say people are stupid who believe mainstream news gives the impression you don't want a  discussion but want to troll or put others down. 

I'll give you the exchange rate. That sucks as an Australian.