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6 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

We do have the report from Ubon that the 60 day extension will cost 3900 baht. 

I sent the form he posted to my contact in Ubon immigration and he nodded his acknowledgement of it. Hopefully it wasn't something they produced locally in anticipation of an announcement.

That form mentions nothing about 60 days.  

9 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I am not sure it really exists. I think there was mix up between a extension and a total stay of 60 days when it was verbally stated by immigration in a news conference.

People getting a total of total of 60 days by adding up the 30 day extension and the 30 day amnesty this month.

It could be, if the reporter got the bold bit wrong. 

Quote

 

Immigration Bureau Deputy Commissioner Maj Gen Pornchai Kuntee announced the news at a press conference at the Immigration Bureau headquarters in Bangkok today (Sept 29).

“Right now in Thailand there are two groups of foreigners: People who already applied for extensions before Sept 26, and those who did not,” Maj Gen Pornchai said.

“Today Cabinet will approve the second group of people to stay until Oct 31,” he explained. 
“But for the first group, the Immigration Bureau will extend their stay until Nov 30,” Maj Gen Pornchai said.
“However, these foreigners [already approved an extension of 30 days’ stay from Sept 27] must present themselves at their nearest Immigration Office to have the correct stamp entered in their passports,” he added.

After that, foreigners can apply to extend their stay for 60 days at a time,” Maj Gen Pornchai note“Not many documents will be needed [for the 60-day extensions]. Letters from embassies may not be needed,” he said.

 

10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

 For those that did not get a under consideration stamp will they have to revise the date on the extension stamp or do a new extension stamp done.

So although everyone is likely entitled to it, they could potentially charge another 1900 baht for a 30 November stamp for those without an under consideration stamp, in exactly the same way as everyone is entitled to apply for 30 more days on their 30 day visa exempt or 60 day TV.

If that's the case it'll be better to use the new form, when usable, and apply for 60 days beginning on 1 November instead. 

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

All I can say is that have I seen nothing official about the 60 day extensions.

Reading that article makes me think they are calling applying for a 30 day extension before September 26 or shortly after a 60 day extension. That would really be a total stay of 60 days not a extension if you include the amnesty in October and the 30 day extension in November.

Yes, and presumably anyone who uses the 60 day application form this month, once it's been confirmed as usable, will get a stamp from 1 November until 30 December. 

8 minutes ago, Dragonboat Ronin said:

almost like being on tourist, then amnesty, now back to tourist, and then possibly back to amnesty?

Not almost like that, it is like that. You were on a tourist stamp, then were granted an amnesty to overstay its expiry date, then you activated the 30 day stamp extension option by paying 1900 baht, and then can return to amnesty status when it expires. It sounds like immigration allowed some people to stay in Thailand that way this month if they couldn't get an embassy letter, but as you had one, it's a bit strange.  

40 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

applied around sept 21.  paid 1900.  got nov 30 this week.  she said, "government...." didn't understand anymore.  sorry will not name where.  i have too many undercover spies looking for me.....luckily English is my 11th best language.  

Thanks, but what I was specifically looking to gather on this thread is people who apply for a 60 day extension this month under the new, as yet unconfirmed, announcement and form

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You applied for a 30 day extension last month which will be upgraded, which is a slightly different situation. 

Just trying to keep any updates on experiences in one handy reference thread. Thanks.

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/visa/60-day-visa-extensions-filed-during-amnesty-go-into-effect-november-1

33 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

P.S I like how you cheekily edited the last bit after posting because you realised you made up your own sh--t

 

Huh? I always go back and proof read my posts within two minutes of them appearing, because I'm dyslexic and often have to make a couple of corrections or add something I missed.

No idea why you're lashing out at me with these angry and incorrect assumptions..... 

1 minute ago, Dart12 said:

If it makes anyone here who "wasted 1900" feel any better, I paid 20,000 to get an additional 3 months when I could have just p1id 1900 for 2months. 

Sigh. they said I HAD to do it now to get a real visa conversion for long term stay.  

Live and learn.

Yep, don't believe them. They're not interested in what's best for you. They just want to scare you and then take as much of your money as they can. 

5 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Again - amnesty is a time period, not a visa or extension of stay. I didn't change the words.

Yes you have. You added the word "period". It's not in the news report. This gives the impression that anyone that applied for any type of extension last month will get one that begins on 1 November when it's already been established that this is only for people who applied with an embassy letter as advised to by immigration under the latest amnesty. That's my take on it, anyway. But please go back and try then let us know. 

3 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Good point, although i think Jose was saying it wasn't fair that embassy letters were getting an extra 30 days on top of the original 30, and other extensions were not. That may not be the case anymore, there is a story on the nation that is clearer than this one; ALL visas applied for prior to the 31st of this month under the amnesty period will have a start date from 1st Nov;

 

 

You're reading into that what you want it to say rather than what it actually says, which is "all visas extended on or before October 31 under the latest amnesty will go into effect collectively from November 1."

Why are you changing the words of that news report to broaden their meaning and include your situation? It's not going to help you. You didn't apply for an amnesty extension, you activated the second 30 days of your visa exempt stamp. 

2 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

The 2nd reason for applying specifically notes no embassy letter - see the picture of the form on my thread “60 day extensions.” It’s a broad range of reasons to cover anyone and everyone. All should be able to apply. 

Being able to apply for something is never a guarantee of getting it.

2 minutes ago, AndrzejK said:

Let me be clear. Pattaya IO, September 17. Submitted all the required documents including 'letter of support' from my Embassy. Paid 1900 Baht. Got stamp 'Application of stay is under consideration.....must contact this office again on 07 OCT 2020'. And was told 'when you come on Oct.7 you will get visa extension until end of October'. So today I went to the IO. Half empty, gave my passport and 10 minutes later she gives me back my passport with..... another...."under consideration....must contact this office again on 03 NOV 2020". And  she says 'when you come next time you will get a new stamp with 30 of November stamp'.   Just a sick joke, what they do! 

They want to give you the extra 30 days but can't yet for some reason. 

8 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Do you think that would have made 1 iota of difference?

Possible multiple wounds to limbs from being run over, and cracked skull from hitting the road. 

1 minute ago, JoseThailand said:

Whatever. 1900 baht + travel to Chiang Mai is not much of a loss, compared to ridiculous amounts of money people paid for corruption volunteer or education visas.

But they'll be able to stay a year. You've got three weeks left which you've little chance of getting extended unless you obtained an embassy letter, or follow their agency ideas.

The way I see it, anyone who didn't obtain an embassy letter last month, whether used or not, has no prospect of their current stay being extended beyond 31 Oct.

My guess is that the form shown at the beginning of this thread is a self-declaration that whatever was stated on that embassy letter (used or not) remains true.

1 minute ago, 2530Ubon said:

Precisely, now that i fall under amnesty until the 31st my extension should be valid until the 30th Nov, no? Isn't that whats happening with the 30 day extension given to the embassy letters?

I don't see it that way. Only people who used a letter are extended to 30 Nov. Everyone else is 31 Oct.

Jose keeps on about "all extensions are valid until 30 Nov" but I haven't seen that. Can he link to it? He needs to raise that with the IO. No point banging on about it here.

1 minute ago, JoseThailand said:

Then why did they extend the amnesty for such people?

Because they hadn't left and might have had embassy letters but couldn't get an IO appointment due to a lack of capacity. They've been given this month to get an appointment but may face the same stumbling block if they didn't obtain an embassy letter last month.

16 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

Normal rules? Since when can you extend a tourist visa 7 months after it was issued? 

That's exactly what you wanted at the time and what you applied for. Presumably they had discretion over whether to give it or not, but one thing that's for sure is that standard TV extensions can never be for longer than 30 days, and that's what they're sticking to. They won't be rewriting those rules anytime soon.

20 minutes ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

Pointing out that we should receive the same amount of days as embassy letters (60 days) because we paid the same fee.

But they're different circumstances. Letter users provided evidence of being unable to leave anytime soon and have been given an extra month accordingly. Those who applied without a letter are under normal rules, as one would expect.

One sticking point for people who didn't use a letter last month, when applying for 60 day extensions this month is that the IO could ask why (s)he should extend you on a covid application form when you didn't use the covid application method last month. You may be ok because you had a letter but didn't use it. Others may have problems though.

1 minute ago, SAcanman said:

 I asked about the 60 day extension.  Unfortunately he was unable to advise about it. 

Did you show him the application form shown on that thread?

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

 

Apparently only those that got 30 day extensions from a embassy letter qualify to get stamped to the November 30th.

Presumably because they had provided evidence of being unable to leave anytime soon, whereas those applying for a standard 30 day extension instead did not.

33 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Accept you will never get the deposit back. Don't pay your last month's rent.

That will probably get you evicted by thugs within days of your default. 

7 minutes ago, onekoolguy said:

 when I moved out the owner said he owed me the deposit and surely would pay it when he had the money! 3 years later still waiting.

 

That's an important point. Perhaps owners spend the money as if it's their own or are in debt so they can't return it. That doesn't stop it being theft in my book. 

Landlords aren't allowed to keep the deposit in their bank account in the UK https://www.gov.uk/tenancy-deposit-protection

56 minutes ago, Poet said:

"actual job".
 

So you're saying that people who are self-employed and work online aren't employed by themselves and don't have an "actual job" so they can ignore the "employment prohibited" wording on their tourist visa which they used to enter the country under the guise that they would spend their time in the country purely for tourism purposes?