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8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
.So now we have established that he writes for the The Telegraph
Yeah brilliant, so what? Anything relevant there?
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2 minutes ago, candide said:
In case of reciprocal retaliations (which is not a scenario I advocate), UK's strategic problem is that
Nice reasoning, but in this case, I do not think that we need to get that far.
Every British politician who was interviewed realise that the UK cannot afford an open fight with the EU.
Especially given the ugly economic situation of the country.
So this arm-twisting is likely to work, the UK could even have no choice but cooperation
QuoteBut Burns said Britain should be willing to help EU member states get their vaccine production and rollout back on track
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-urged-to-keep-cool-as-uk-and-eu-square-up-on-vaccines/
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27 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
The Telegraph has a solution
Not the Telegraph, but Matthew Lynn.
Amongst other things he writes thrillers.. We might be more interested with the opinion of people who have some actual power
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27 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
Your new source contradicts your previous one
Here I have
Quote"The EU has invested €2.2 billion ($2.6 billion) in this initiative. COVAX
While the previous one said zero
Which one is true then?
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Yeah it definitely seems the UK won't pick up a fight with the EU
QuoteBritain could bring a case against the EU at the World Trade Organization but that would be a slow process — so it could instead engage in immediate retaliation and turn the issue into a full-blown trade war, experts noted. "I suppose that, if the EU blocked exports and singled out Britain for political reasons, the U.K. could — and would — bring a case against the EU at the WTO," said Anton Spisak from the Tony Blair Institute.
QuoteBut MPs — while expressing anger at the EU over its threats — argued retaliation would be a bad idea. “All trade wars risk impoverishing the citizens of both sides,” said former trade minister Conor Burns — a close friend of Johnson's. “Vaccine trade wars risk needlessly killing people and must be averted."
Source https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-urged-to-keep-cool-as-uk-and-eu-square-up-on-vaccines/
Maybe Boris Johnson should just put Frost in charge?
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Politico's coverage of the story
Boris Johnson urged to keep cool as UK and EU square up on vaccines
The moment of truth will come on Thursday, when EU leaders discuss their course of action at a Council summit
Even the ERG is backing down
QuoteDavid Jones, deputy chair of the pro-Brexit European Research Group, said the U.K. must not impose a lipid blockade “simply because I don’t think it’s the way civilized countries should operate.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-urged-to-keep-cool-as-uk-and-eu-square-up-on-vaccines/
My take is that
* the EU will stop exporting arguing that the UK has had plenty and has been keeping it all.
* the UK doesn't want to escalate as it would highlight how selfish they have been while the EU was sharing its own production.
Are British politicians kind of ashamed? Seems so to me, but please share your own take...
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For each vaccine type
France : Doses injected
France : Doses delivered in the past and delivery forecast in the coming weeks
Source https://covidtracker.fr/vaccintracker/
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52 minutes ago, candide said:
There's a very interesting sentence in the OP:
"AstraZeneca has not yet sought approval in the EU for Halix"
Perfidious AZ.......
AFAIK approval in the EU for the Halix plant is due three days from now, if the checks are all right.
The UK check are good, but very likely less exhaustive than our own EU checks.
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1 hour ago, stuandjulie said:
I think you find they will be, the irony of all this is after Macron saying not for over 65's (and others) then saying not for under 55's hardly anyone in Europe wants it anyway !
While this is clearly a mess, we still very much like our production to be dedicated to the countries who need it more than the UK, including us, of course.
We in the EU also think the UK should do what we do: share, at least partly, its life-saving vaccine production with the rest of the world instead of keeping it all.
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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Well one things for sure, this UK Oxford University developed vaccine is certainly in demand and with its not for profit status arrangement with Astrazeneca is one of the leading vaccines for larger world use when production difficulties are resolved.
I have to agree with you there!
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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
But you've already said you believe nothing the UK government says, so when you discuss or speculate what they do now, its totally irrelevant correct?
I observe what the UK national-populist government says often proves wrong and that the UK signature and commitments have less value nowadays.
But I am still interested, even if it all needs to be taken in weighing whether it is true or not (or partially true) and whether commitments will turn into reality or not.
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5 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:
Which would explain the fake news
... the question is why it appears here and now
I'm not sure the rules of this forum say something about spreading fake news
Now back on topic: will our EU stop delivering the UK? And if so, will the British government retaliate?
In the UK, things are going pretty well at the moment and I think this means "no"
QuoteUK ministers have urged the EU to stand by its commitments on vaccine supplies ahead of expected discussions between Boris Johnson and European counterparts over a row centred on a production plant in the Netherlands.
QuoteHelen Whately, the care minister, repeatedly refused to say if the UK would hit back if Brussels placed an export ban on vaccines amid a bitter disagreement over contracts to supply the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.
“I don’t think it’s very helpful to speculate at the moment,”
all bets are off, I think BJ will try to look good but will have to admit that the EU is doing the best thing.
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4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
Revealed: The true, stark facts versus the EU's fiction and attacks on the UK
EU President defames UK, yet UK pledged 50% more vaccines than EU to poorer countries
I do not want to sound rude, but as you probably know, facts4eu is a coalition of extremist Brexit groups.
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9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
Is it that fact that "currently" the the UK has donated $735 million to Covax to help the developing world have vaccines. The EU has donated $489 million.
Or the fact that the UK will donate all surplus vaccines to poorer countries?
The links you are selectively demanding,
I'm not really "demanding" I'm just telling you that personally I do not find UK government or UK government signature credible. Especially promises to take part in foreign aid.
For the purpose of our debate I would find a Guardian article or another source comparing vaccines really produced and sent by the EU and the UK.
If you take promises by the present UK government for granted, I believe that you are making a mistake. Now you are free to do so!
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2 hours ago, bluedoc said:
Why send AZ vaccine to countries that don’t use it and also say it is not a good vaccine.
Fair point !
1/ We do have plenty of citizens already vaccinated with their 1st jab, so we need the second jab.
2/ Considering most EU countries are using the AZ right now (except 3 northern Europe countries we it's still suspended), so we payed it, we need it
In France the AZ is available directly from your GP or local Pharmacy and there is a lot of demand
Now while AZ production is riddled with problems, Deutsche Qualität pfizer *is* delivering and production is scaling up very fast. Now the demand is huge (and remember, unlike the UK we have been delivering to the whole world).
until now, more than 300 exports operations have been approved, one was refused.
It is likely the EU will now stop exporting to countries than do not reciprocate, I mean the UK
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1 hour ago, vinny41 said:
Sorry No you don't get to dicated which links are an acceptable credible source on this forum
Are you saying any links provided from the EU websites are no longer acceptable credible sources
You either accept the links or you don't its that simple
@vinny41 you are free to post whatever link you please (within forum policy I guess).
I'm just saying that for me, given the current situation, I do not consider UK government sources, or UK government signature to be 100% credible.
Of course I can read it and take it into account, but I think we do need to be very prudent "once bit twice shy" as they say. Or "take it with a grain of salt" ????
Now, there are still quality official UK sources with more independence from the national-populist government like the UK parliament
- the Committee on the Future Relationship with the European Union https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/366/committee-on-the-future-relationship-with-the-european-union/
- or the COVID-19 Committee https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/460/covid19-committee/
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2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:
Mmm again
"Please share a credible exhaustive source with us. i. e. not a tabloid nor a UK government or consultancy firm payed by said government"
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1 hour ago, Sujo said:
Seems another downside of brexit. UK will just have to use its own.
Yeah, the fun thing is without Brexit, the UK would probably have done exactly the same..
But with the UK being a EU member, it would have been impossible for the EU to do anything against a member country, and certainly not stop our plants to serve the UK first
Within the single market, this private "UK first and the rest of the world can die" contract would have got us then..
Brexit sweet Brexit ????
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7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Like the EU already does?
The UK has donated $735 million to Covax to help the developing world have vaccines.
The EU has donated just $489 million.
I do not believe for one second the UK is helping more than we do, whether in money really sent or vaccine doses shared.
Every info I get is the national - populist government slashing Official development assistance (ODA)
https://www.concern.org.uk/news/overseas-aid-budget-cuts-explained
Please share a credible exhaustive source with us. i. e. not a tabloid nor a UK government or consultancy firm payed by said government.
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so about the other Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine problems
we have "India first" and "fire in plant"
India used to do that
QuoteIndia’s programme of “vaccine maitri” (vaccine friendship), in which it has sold or given away more coronavirus vaccines than it has administered at home, has been locally praised as a diplomatic success.
Maybe "Global UK" can use some of its now production to help Brazil, Saudi Arabia and Morocco?
no?
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one more thing about the original article: I wonder how Airfinity can claim that stopping sending additional vaccines to the UK can not bring positive results
QuoteThe UK is waiting on around 30m more Pfizer doses and 30m from Johnson & Johnson – although only some of those had been expected to be delivered by the end of the summer.
just there, there are 60 millions doses to put to good use, and we are not talking about the AstraZeneca there but about the best ones and with 60 millions doses we have enough to protect
let us calculate from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union (i'm taking the French wiki actually)
- EU total population 446 millions
- 65 year old 17%
so we have 75 millions 65 yo+, so 60 millions doses are going to be really useful
QuoteThe UK government was until the last fortnight on course to beat its target of delivering a first vaccine dose to every adult in the UK by the end of July by over six weeks
nah you don't really urgently need to give the vaccine to "every adult in the UK" Boris, maybe you can set aside you short-sighted nationalism and put them to good use to save lives in the rest of the world like the EU already does...
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16 hours ago, david555 said:very interesting, today when I asked @vinny41 about the absence of a UK embassy for the EU (it's not an embassy, it's a mission), he answered "we have one" citing the Belgian embassy instead.
The problem is the same that having Frost as a head of negotiations for the EU–UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement : you have the most vital issue for the UK and you send a guy who is simply out of his depth.
and after that, the UK complains that the treaty is not well negociated!
Frost was sidelined for a while, but he is now back, which means the UK is unable to improve or even tr properly manage the EU–UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement
- UK refuses to reopen talks on issues "that hurt the most" such as security, the plight of exporters and the end of permit-free tours for musicians.
- the ratification of the deal itself has been plunged into doubt, with the EU launching legal action over the UK’s breach of the Northern Ireland Protocol
.. and this will get worse, as the UK is still sending his worst employees and makes diplomatic work with the EU a career dead end
QuoteThere are already fewer staff in Brussels (65) than in Paris (110) or Berlin (75) – even before a likely brain-drain, as “relations with the EU plummet down the list of political priorities”.
as for now the UK export stats to its main market, the EU, are beyond the worst of what was decried as "project fear".
after you reap what you sow: a catastrophe.
Note the BJ's popularity ratings are excellent, though
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good news
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/21/wales-sets-up-its-own-erasmus-programme
QuoteThe new programme “will then fill the gaps Turing leaves, including, crucially,
- the commitment to long-term funding,
- the retention of the principle of two-way exchanges
- and the inclusion of youth work,”
the Welsh government said.
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1 hour ago, ukrules said:Sounds like a broken contract by me, broken by the EU.
you really think the EU signed a contract with "UK first" all over it ? ????
We are implementing article 122, as it was done before with PPE
100% of the at-risk population of the UK is vaccinated now anyway, "Global Britain" should already be exporting its own production to countries that need it most by now. Europe has already been doing that, not just keeping it all...
This is the true face of "Global Britain" here ????
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EU rebuffs UK calls to ship AstraZeneca COVID vaccines from Europe
in World News
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You are sure of that? Source?
@candide
You can see the position has shifted the UK has abandoned any idea of retaliatory measures.
They are "generously" sharing now
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/22/boris-johnson-ponders-sharing-dutch-made-astrazeneca-doses-eu/
Operation "vaccine-sharing" seems geared towards success ????