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7 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

The self-loathing amongst--let's admit, the financially advantaged amongst the SEA retirees who populate this forum--is palpable.

From the financially advantaged amongst the SEA retirees who populate this forum, rather than self-loathing I would highlight how racist they can be sometimes towards the people of the country that hosts them without they realizing how racist they are being and even worse without realizing they themselves are immigrants ????

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really?

"By 2018, some restrictions had been placed on citizens which state-owned media described as the first step toward creating a nationwide social credit system.^{[27][28][29][10][30][31]} As of November 2019, in addition to dishonest and fraudulent financial behavior, other behavior that some cities have officially listed as negative factors of credit ratings includes playing loud music or eating in rapid transits,^[32] violating traffic rules such as jaywalking and red-light violations,^[33][34] making reservations at restaurants or hotels but not showing up,^[35] failing to correctly sort personal waste,^[36][37][38] fraudulently using other people's public transportation ID cards,^[39] etc; on the other hand, behavior listed as positive factors of credit ratings includes donating blood, donating to charity, volunteering for community services, praising government efforts on social media, and so on.^[40][41][42]

As of June 2019, according to the National Development and Reform Commission of China, 27 million air tickets as well as 6 million high-speed rail tickets had been denied to people who were deemed "untrustworthy (失信)" (on a blacklist), and 4.4 million "untrustworthy" people had chosen to fulfill their duties required by the law.^[43][44] "

Social Credit System - Wikipedia

Mate, don't mix the Credit Score you get on financial apps like Alipay with 失信黑名单（Blacklist）

Only a judge can put you into that blacklist, and only when you owe money to a legally licensed financial entity. Everything else is something either twisted in purpose, misunderstood, or a half truth. 

Thing such as playing loud music, eating in rapid transits will worsen your so called Social Score, but that WILL NEVER prevent you from riding trains or booking flights.

Read properly, and read more.

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

Propaganda:

information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view

 

Everything I have stated I can back up with evidence and provide supporting links as to what the Chinese have been doing including satellite images, can you?

 

 

Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan you won't have any more evidence than that published in western media. If you are gonna show me an article which shows some supposed papers signed by high profile Chinese politicians saying what to do with Xinjiang people. I can fire up Photoshop and give you one such decree signed by Donald Trump stating ThaiVisa is the best ????

The fact that you wholeheartedly believe it, does not mean it is not propaganda and/or fake evidence. 

And the disputes with the waters, I never said they didn't exist. But if you think the Chinese are the demon stealing other's waters, and the Americans altruistically send their troops to protect those waters for the good of the entire world, you've swallowed and assimilated lotta western propaganda ????

And the fact that the Americans are there helps a lot fuel those disputes, wait and see if the Americans go now that Duterte started complaining, and see what happens. I would bet with you nothing more will happen 

2 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Ah OK,

 

And it therefore follows that they never seized Tibet by force, they aren't murdering and raping the Uighurs in China, they aren't threatening Taiwan and what we can see about reinforcing and building and fortifying uninhabited islands to control and force a chokehold in disputed territory is all a ' mirage? ' 

 

Western propaganda, eh?

 

 

 

Exactly. Western Propaganda. The same as the many things in China they say about the West. 
 

And don’t think I am a Chinese or a Wumao. I am a white born European. Grew up in Europe, rest of my life in China. Fed up with the propaganda and manipulation from both sides, and the idiots who believe either side.

3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

 

So you dispute the Chinese have laid claim to nearly all the seas, citing some map dating back to the 17th century, where Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, and many others have territorial counter claims over the waters?

 

https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/territorial-disputes-south-china-sea

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea

 

 

Yes. 
 

And furthermore I dispute that the US is there to help prevent this ????

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

This explanation makes no economic sense at all. China is a middle income country. It's economy is proportionate to its population. So while it has more people, it also has to have proportionately more jobs available. What's more, it's economy is growing quickly. If anything, demand for workers should be stronger than in other middle income nations where the economy is growing less quickly.

 

Anyway, clearly the system all about control. What do jobs have to do with denying people access to trains because they lack enough social credit points?

Yes the demands for workers is also higher, but from PRIVATE COMPANIES which obviously don't have that big of competition standards. But the majority of the people want to work for the government (teachers, doctors, nurses, engineers, simple road maintenance workers, the list is endless...). And of course the government doesn't have that many jobs available for anyone, so competition is ferocious. The private sector doesn't have that much competition and so that's why unemployment rate is low in China. 

What you say about the trains makes no sense, and it has nothing to do with social credit points. What will prevent you from accessing high speed trains, and/or first/business class tickets in regular trains is, if you are put into the national blacklist. You can only be put into the national blacklist if you owe money to a licensed financial entity, they take you to court, and a judge upholds the fact that you owe them money. As a matter of fact, if you owe money to the bank, there are 2 options: 

 - 1. You can't pay for your own loans. So if you don't have money to pay back for your loans, how are you gonna have money to ride the expensive high speed trains or have enough money to access the first class seats in those trains? 

- 2. You got a loan, and decided not to pay it back, effectively scamming the private entity which offered you that loan. Won't that blacklist help as a deterrent for many people not to run those credit scams? 

If you pay your own loans or your credit card expenses back in time, you will never be in such blacklist and nobody will prevent you access to trains. That is of course, unless someone (perhaps family member) tricks you into signing papers which you don't even understand, that won't exempt you from responsibility to a loan, but that is also the same in the rest of the world.

26 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

I don't like Duterte either, but we will see how he likes it when there are no fishing rights or grounds because according to China, it all belongs to them!

 

No US forces to uphold the status quo, the Chinese will run riot.

 Buy a chair, sit down, wait and see how wrong you are ????

3 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

I mean exactly what I said, namely that the Chinese government is manifestly "exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives". What you say simply confirms that.

 

It is not true that a Han citizen is limited to moving his/her hukou to 'certain cities'. Furthermore, it is often harder to move to the 'certain cities' you mention of Shenzhen, Beijing and Guangzhou. Add Shanghai and those are among the most desirable cities in which to live from perspective of career advancement etc. A young Han graduate would rather be in Shanghai than Zhengzhou. 

Yes but it is not about taking freedoms away from the citizens. It is about managing a country with 1.4 billion people! You need the competition!

In China if your uncle has a criminal record they won’t allow you to work for the government and/or join the army, you may say, what is the relationship between you and what your uncle did? None. It’s just that there are so many people as much capable as you if not more for that position, that they find every small thing they can to make the people compete. 

I once heard about someone who wanted to join the army, in order to study at an army university, and was turned away because his cock was bigger than average ????????????

On 2/11/2021 at 7:38 PM, WineOh said:

Not for me.

 

That plane ticket back to the west is looking more appetizing by the day!

Let's see how bad it gets, once I reach my threshold i'm outta here.

The sooner the better, people say

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Nice try at deflection. This is not about what certain western govts say about Islam. This is about Chinese repression of the Uighurs. As for the rest, I'll go with public news sources and not the contentions of some anonymouos poster on thaivisa.com

Deflection?

Yes, you strongly believe the propaganda from one side. But it's nothing more than that. 

Others believe the propaganda from the other side. Nothing much can be done.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Great. China gives its minorities more freedom to travel. What's more it gives them an incentive to do so. Just to get away from their brutal treatment.

China’s repression of the Uighurs in Xinjiang has forced those in the diaspora to protect their identity from afar.

The targeting of the Uighurs isn’t limited to the camps. Since 2016, dozens of graveyards and religious sites have been destroyed. The Uighur language has been banned in Xinjiang schools in favor of Mandarin Chinese.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/chinas-war-on-uighur-culture/616513/

 

And about their alleged right to have as many children as they please.

China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

The Chinese government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uighurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country’s Han majority to have more children.

While individual women have spoken out before about forced birth control, the practice is far more widespread and systematic than previously known, according to an AP investigation based on government statistics, state documents and interviews with 30 ex-detainees, family members and a former detention camp instructor. The campaign over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang is leading to what some experts are calling a form of “demographic genocide.”

https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

 

How good to see that certain countries (ehem, the US) caring about Muslims (only those living in Xinjiang though). The Muslims living in Afghanistan, or Iraq are terrorist who posses "mass destruction" weapons and therefore they should invade their country, in the name of freedom.... Yep "Guantanamo Bay (in Cuba), Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca,...." the true definition of personal freedom and NOT human rights abuses at all. If Voltaire was alive he himself would certify it 100%. 

Mate, you should see what some Chinese people say about what the US government does. If I told such things to any American citizen, he would laugh and say, what a load of commie propaganda bullsh**t.

Which is the exact same reaction Chinese people have when they hear those things about Xinjiang and Tibet. What a load of American bullsh**t. 

But at the end of the day, no side is able to province evidence to support neither side claims. I see some articles which provide what are supposed to be some papers signed by some CCP authority on what to do with Xinjiang reeducation camps, well, I could very well make one such paper right now with Photoshop. Then they interview some locals, which I can assure you that if Chinese media interviewed American citizens about life in the US they would also say very bad things. Because that is the essence of propaganda, and distorting things. And you will say Chinese are brainwashed by CCP propaganda, which sure it's true. But you yourself are also brainwashed by propaganda, however you will think you are not because you are convinced that it is the truth so you think it's those who think differently that are brainwashed.

After having grown up in Europe, then lived in China for many years, and having dealt with politicians from both sides constantly I can tell you they are all liars, they don't care about anything or anyone but themselves. Don't think it's only the Chinese politicians that are this way, every single one from every country on earth. If every American thinks China is good and every Chinese thinks America is good, they both have no excuses to put sanctions on each other, to prevent one another from growing, to cause the other one to lose money. That is the key, money and power. And that is what governments care about.

So bottom line is, neither life in the West is as bad as certain Chinese claim. Neither life in China is as bad as certain Western people claim. 

31 minutes ago, 50centScamBagLusr said:

Right, and if you have the good fortune to be female and live in Xinjiang they stick you in a concentration camp. Then CCP goons and gimps rape you with an electric baton, just like old times in Tibet. Good 'ol CCP is a gift that just keeps on giving, since Tiananmen and before.

I was in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang. Saw plenty of female locals…. 
 

Never been to Tibet though. 
 

Anyway it’s good though that you swallow the lies they tell you ???? Im sure Joseph Goebbels, a very smart guy when it came to propaganda, would be very content with people like you. In fact, you lost the time it takes to create a fake account to post propaganda. 

8 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

 

It would also be more accurate to say China has steadily lifted their people out of poverty while simultaneously emphasising the superiority of the Han culture to the detriment of all other indigenous cultures, and also exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives.

 

Cooperation is usually better than confrontation, but it is naive to assume that Chinese intentions in Asia-Pacific are altruistic and for the greater good of the region. 

 

Well, I am sorry to say... 

But in China, any person who is not Han, gets a huge advantage in life over Hans. What is that advantage? They are exempt from much of the ferocious competition that Hans Chinese face during their career. Examples:

 - Non Hans get up to 10 extra points in Gao Kao (entrance exam) just for belonging to one of the minority ethnics. This 10 points literally could very well mean the difference between getting into a nice university or a "normal" one. (And of course in China when you graduate from a "nice" university your career chances skyrocket)

- Ethnic minorities can have as many kids as they want and they won't be fined. 

- Ethnic minorities can move their HuKou Ben (residence) to any city whenever they want. Whereas Hans are limited by their level of studies and their income to move their Hukou to certain cities (such as Shenzhen, Beijing, Guangzhou). And this of course, severely limits Hans careers, as not being able to transfer their Hukou to the city in which they want to work, basically means they can't work there (not able to buy a house, not able to school your kids in a public school - and private schools suck in China, and many other disadvantages). 

So not sure exactly about what you mean

1 hour ago, KKr said:

it indeed seems we are talking a different language, or are living in a different world.

In that context, and objectively speaking:
It was media-manipulated, cult-followers that besieged the Capitol.
People who are not critical enough to distinguish lies, propaganda and manipulations from facts.

never mind,
Don't panic, Mr. Mainwaring, carry on ...

Sorry to say, but the fact that TV (as well as several other communication mediums) have the power to manipulate certain individuals, has nothing to do with the fact that certain people get butthurt because certain fictional movie or series depicts a rape scene. 

And if what you are trying to say is that when certain people without a critical mind see things such as rape or murder in a fictional movie, it encourages them to do those actions in real life. Then I must tell you that except people with severe psychological issues, it simply WON'T. And those people with BIG psychological problems which see a murder in TV and suddenly decide "hey I'm gonna go murder my neighbor" are extremely dangerous anyway. So clearly not the movie's fault. The movie may trigger their crazy side at that particular moment, but with or without movie they are simply a ticking time bomb waiting to explode! 

Any minimally sane person won't get affected by what he sees on a purely fictional movie made with entertainment purposes...

https://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/violence-health-news-787/movie-violence-doesn-t-make-kids-violent-study-finds-741747.html

11 hours ago, KKr said:

Unfortunately, simple minds like myself think that what is shown on Television and in Movies should have some Educational or Entertaining value. After watching it, I should know more than I knew before,  or I have wasted my time.
If you think that the average person, especially those with little education, does understand that what is shown on TV is not a reflection of real life and not a role model, I am afraid that you are seriously mistaken. (The Capitol Siege by the Trump-Cult as a prime example !!)

Excuse my ignorance, as us Europeans, specially those of us who neither are British nor live in the US, couldn’t care less about what goes on over there. So perhaps I’m mistaken in what I am about to say…. 
 

 But the Capitol Siege by Trump & Friends was actually something real. It wasn’t actors jumping into the capitol. So the images that they showed in TV about it was news, real images. 
 

If you wanna watch TV and learn new things, you can watch a documentary, some science programs, etc… 

But that doesn’t still change the fact that when you watch an action movie it is for pure entertainment (don’t tell me you learn anything from watching Terminator for example). Some of them depict murders, others depict rape, others depict aliens killing humans… Who cares, it’s all fictional, not real things. People need to learn the difference between real life and fiction. 

7 hours ago, WineOh said:

These uniforms and badges seem hell bent on running Thailand right into the ground at any cost.

Such is the dislike for anything remotely farang, they will be willing to do whatever it takes to keep everything as Thai as possible.

 

Even if that means decimating the economy and forcing millions into poverty.

 

It's YOUR country innit boys, so do what you like.

Some people in this forum never change, do you? Thai bashing all the time and for whatever reason you can find. 

I could very well imagine a post. "Thai government to give free vaccines to expats residents in Thailand"

And there you'd come and post: "Such the dislike for anything remotely farang that they are giving free vaccinations to farang so that farangs can travel and go away from Thailand" 

Come on mate, grow up. It's certainly depressing to see these Thai bashing posts all day....

1 hour ago, rabas said:

I found the paper you did not reference. They used ordinary PCR testing and found 1, just one single sample, in March 12, 2019. All other samples came out negative, they said. No more until early 2020. Oops.

 

PCR does not find whole genomes, it looks for tiny pieces. Right now the world repeats millions of PCR tests because of their lack of reliability.  Worse, they didn't find all the pieces they should have, they found only 2 of 5.  The other 3 should have been even easier.  See the comments section.

 

The  pieces they look for are 18 bases long. The genome is 29800 bases long.  This is one of the pieces they look for called P2   CTCCCTTTGTTGTGTTGT

 

Here is the preprint,

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full-text

 

Exactly, nothing to do with antigen/antibody testing. And the fact that PCR doesn't look for the entire genome of the virus, anyone with high school biology knowledge should be very well aware of it. 

However you do mention PCR tests lack reliability? Then what is reliable according to you? ELISA? Serology? ???? I suggest you go back to studying basic science concepts, even though you claim to know much about it. 

And yes, despite the many mistakes you make while trying to provide data to support your argument, it is still a valid argument. Because clearly, like the article mentions and like I never denied,  that is not for certain. But up to this point you still haven't said anything about the Italy article., instead you keep using (mostly incorect) arguments to prove something that I never denied, lol. 

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Lol.

 

And how would he know?  Kindly tell me the scientific reasoning.

 

They just got there, can't possibly have learned much or analysed anything. Yet, they state, as fact, the one thing the Chinese CCP party desperately wants the world to believe.

 

No. They don't know that.

 

Ok, I was just casually looking for an expert in this field to ask some questions I have. 

What is the explanation of this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53106444

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They are a relatively small provider, so small that you can chat with them in LINE app 24/7, it's amazing!

They have many bad reviews both from foreigners and Thais alike online, but I've been using them for more than a year and 0 issues. 

599 THB / month for 500/500 symmetric internet is an amazing deal. 

But most importantly is that the speed when connecting to foreign servers is normally 10-20% faster than that of other providers such as True and AIS. Of course it's still not that great, since we all know Thailand doesn't have much bandwidth to overseas, but the difference is still noticeable!

I do not think Thai roads are that dangerous if you are driving on four wheels. And I also do not think that Thai drivers are as bad as some TVFers claim... 

(Truth must be said, although I am farang, I learned to drive in China, and never have driven in farangland. So perhaps it's just that I became used to Asian driving and these things don't surprise me anymore)... 

Looking at the attached picture only 3.5% of accidents are caused only by passenger cars. And around 12% of the fatalities are people which were driving passenger cars (I am excluding pick-up trucks for obvious reasons, such as seating people in the back). That means that from around 20,000 deaths per year, slightly over 2,000 are drivers/passengers of passenger cars.

A farangland country with similar population as Thailand? The UK. Around 800 deaths counting only passenger cars. Higher, even more than double that of Thailand. But not as alarmingly higher as some people think it is. 

Of course, when it comes to 2 wheelers, thats a different. story. Thai motorbike riders seldom use what little protection they have available (proper riding clothes, helmet, etc...), combine that with the dangerous things they do (running lights, driving against traffic, speeding) and the fact that motorbikes have no crumple space, the one taking nearly the full force of the impact and/or flying a couple hundred meters it's gonna be the driver of the motorbike..... 

So, IMHO Thailand should crack down harder on motos and drunk-driving than anything else. In China they had this same problem 20 years ago, big cities slowly  introduced measures to discourage the usage and purchase of new motorbikes until they recently banned them completely in big cities. Now they only allow riding those electric motorbikes, which can't ride as fast as motorbikes, and most of them now ride through walkways anyway. Road deaths sure dropped a lot. (Although incidents with pedestrians surely skyrocketed ????)

54 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

Is this TV not classed as social media?

But OP never mentioned her real name in TV. So it can’t be defamation

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

No its not.  Telling the truth about this transaction on social media. or to the school authorities,  is neither defamatory nor criminal.  It is only either of those things if it is wrong. I also suggested 'threatening' to do it, that may well be enough. 

With this attitude of yours in which you think you yourself know everything, here in Thailand you can expect two outcomes in the long term. 

1. Behind bars for defamation. 

2. In the morgue with a couple of bullets in your brain after you threaten some Thai person and make them lose face. 

If OP says anything on social media about that she borrowed money and never gave it back, OP WILL end up paying a fine and doing time.