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You quoted my post. I have never claimed either of these things.

I guess you understand that the previous exchange related to air strikes vs. rocket attacks. Nowhere did I say the IDF does not break international law at all times. The comment was with regards to a specific point. But you already knew that...

Where did you see 'support' for attacks? I was clarifying a fact you're unwilling to accept.

Yet another lazy copy-paste post (think forum rules do not allow this, even). The current attack was not on occupied territory, but in Israel. And regardless of the nonsense quoted, my comment holds - there is no general Palestinian acceptance of peace (as in dropping claims for the whole of Israel, and ceasing violence) for territory.

Many may want to strike back, in reality, almost everywhere, only a minority are active militants etc. This applies to the Gaza Strip and to the French Resistance. Did the French Resistance make it a habit to kill German civilians? Women? Children? I don't think so.

It was an explanation on how international law works. I did not formulate these rules. I do not act on them. People dies in wars. Civilians die in wars. Children die in wars. It's not ok. It's often shocking. That's how wars are. I do not believe you're not aware of this.

I didn't get what you were on in your muddled first paragraph, sorry. As for the "pretty simple" bit - that's your take and it's fine. It's just not how international laws treat such things. I am not 'excusing' it but explaining a point which you're obviously not aware of. And kindly stop with your vile personal insinuations.

More hot air. Does the Palestinian side subscribe to such steps, with assurances that there will be no more attacks such as this? Or while acknowledging Israel's rights? Coming up with simplistic statements is no replacement for reality.

The Palestinian fired rockets at the power station, temporarily disrupting operations. Their electricity was cut after the attack.

But you're not a Gazan, so maybe you could be expected to have a wider view of things. As for that, not all Gazans are Hamas members, not all even support the Hamas. And even those that are do not necessarily welcome the surely to come retaliation. It's a wee bit more complicated than that, eh? Your last line is just another in a long one of low class jibes. Please find a single post in which I reveled in Palestinian suffering, advocated killing civilians and such.

No, it isn't. I know it sounds callous, but that's not how international law on such matters work. So long as it can be demonstrated that the attack was discriminate, the target reasonably identified as a legit one, it's pretty much ok. There are limitations and curbs regarding civilians present, but ultimately, unless you bomb them knowingly, and intentionally, it flies. You may complain about such international laws basically being created to fit the more industrialized, weaponized, richer countries - but that's the way it is. There was such footage linked on this topic. Same on many other media and social media outlets. Not buying the feigned ignorance. As for Hamas not investing in air defenses, but in rockets, or preferring to construct attack tunnels and military bunkers rather than provide the populace with bomb shelters - take it up with their leadership. Choices, again.

I have no argument about Israel's illegal occupation of the West Bank being 'bad'. You're welcome to check all my posts on the matter. As for collective punishment, I agree it's not nice, and in some instances not in accordance with international law, but what are the realistic options? (this is with the Gaza blockade in mind). Israelis vote for their governments, true. One reason, other than changing demographics, the moderates do not get enough support lies with disillusionment vs. the Palestinians. Things do not happen in a vacuum as someone else posted earlier. For that matter, the Palestinian people do not seem motivated enough to replace their own leaderships. Or even seriously push for elections. Do they get a free pass on that point?

There was a single report about Thai and Philippines citizens taken captive. What are you on about?

That's a common misconception. Israel does not, generally, carry out indiscriminate bombings. That there are civilian casualties is a fact, but the way the attacks are carried is, for the most part, in accordance with international law. What you imagines the rules to be, and what they are, is not the same. Are you trying to claim much of the Palestinian attack did not intentionally target unarmed civilians? With all the available horrid footage about? And taking pride in it too? Well well....

Except I do not say 'Israel good'. On the contrary, I agree that many of it's polices are 'bad', or at the very least self-harming in the long term. I've had no kind words for Israeli leadership, on this topic and others. What you can't seem to accept is that I do not engage in wholesale, ignorant hatred - vs. any side. I never ever said 'Gaza bad'. I actually bother to make the distinction between Hamas and the local populace. Any other things you'd like to make up?

Looks like common sense blackout. What different countries? How were they transferred there?

So, no answer as to how the previous review of the Israeli government relates to the topic at hand? Just generalized fluff?

So is indiscriminate shelling of civilians settlements, Hamas does this each and every time. If you'd bother learning facts, you'd know that once upon a while there were UN border guards and inspectors at them border passes. May want to research why and how they withdrew. Again, Israel does not maintain the blockade solo. Egypt does exactly the same. Somehow you focus only on one of them. I would guess that the US comment was probably to do with Iron Dome interceptor missiles. They go out of stock pretty quickly under such circumstances. You want to recall that these lightly armed militants just killed hundreds of Israeli civilians. In a single day.

There is no land currently being stolen from the Gaza Strip. And as yesterday's attack demonstrates, killing unarmed civilians is not something the Palestinians refrain from doing. The blockade of the Gaza Strip came about in response to Hamas attacks and agenda. It is also maintained by Egypt. Whenever there's a lull in hostilities, the blockade is eased. This usually doesn't hold very long, though. The Israelis reference the Holocaust, the Palestinians reference the Nakba. Genocide would imply much much less Palestinians about. That's not the case.

Hezbollah says rockets and mortars fired at Israel ‘in solidarity’ with Palestinians https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hezbollah-says-rockets-and-mortars-fired-at-israel-in-solidarity-with-palestinians/ Seems a token attack for now, hope things do not escalate further.

So, more hot air instead of direct answer?

Hamas is not universally regarded as a terrorist organization. It's mostly Western nations, and several ME opponents. The 'sanctions' you mentioned are not applied or complied everywhere. There is not a whole lot of condemnation for Hamas on official international venues, especially the various UN ones. Israel not being placed under sanctions may contradict your 'in the same bucket' assertion. At least as far as the Western world goes. And as discussed earlier, Israel is harshly condemned by various UN bodies on a regular basis. There is no such treatment of the Hamas, the Palestinians or unrelated bad players. Almost every 'inquiry' into one of these fighting rounds is more focused on Israel. You're welcome to pretend things are different.

The first word captures the essence of your posts quite well.

True to a degree. In Israel, at least, there's a sizeable (not majority) crowd either willing to acknowledge wrongs, or open to accept a compromise. On the Palestinian side, for many reasons, it's less of thing. But the bane, IMO, of both sides is mainly cowardly and poor leadership.

No one mounts such a coordinated attack without clear goals. There were, initially, video clips and pictures of Hamas militants returning to the Gaza Strip on captured IDF vehicles (with or without captives/bodies). Later on coverage changed to them rampaging about Israeli settlements - I think this part was not 100% planned, but came about because of the slow Israeli response.