AnnieSeek

Very depressing this isn't going to go away like before. 

It's almost as if this case is bought up anytime they need a distraction from bad news. 

34 minutes ago, superal said:

Unlike Australia and the U.S.A. who have stopped any flights from India be they residents of OZ or the US or not . BJ has a lot to answer for belatedly red lighting India too late and now look at the UK , having the Indian virus really taking off . It has been reported that UK residents returning from India were obtaining fake covid pcr test certs in India which allowed them to fly to the UK but cannot blame them as a matter of life or death . Thailand needs to be careful about opening up to any tourists until they have a high level of their population vaccinated .But without bars being open , their will be few if any tourists .

Second time you are chatting nonsense again. Australia has resumed repatriation flights from India for their citizens. Like the UK, you enter quarantine on return. 

Conveniantly you ignored your early post statement where you stated that Indians could come to the UK and do a quarantine. You were wrong, but have chosen to ignore it. 

You  now claim you have read media reports that people returning back to the UK from India have obtained false PCR tests. Other than reading media reports you have not seen any physical evidence yourself - and besides even if they do get a fake PCR test they still have to do a quarantine in a hotel in the UK anywayas. Why are you only concerned about India? You can get fake PCR tests result anywhere - be it Turkey, Jamaica, hell even Thailand.

You aren't racist by any chance? Your obsession with India is next leve. Do you know about the British variant? Stay chilled. 

4 hours ago, superal said:

Fact , the UK still allows Indian visitors into the country ( after belatedly moving India to the red list ) albeit under a 14 day expensive quarantine which is paid by the visitor . 

FACT. The UK government does not allow Indian visitors to the UK. It allows UK citizens or those with a permanant residence stamp in India to come back, and then quarantine in a hotel. It does not allow indian citizens or those with visas to enter the UK. Albeit these restrictions came far too late. 

5 minutes ago, thasoss said:

with all the restrictions put in place for phuket opening I can only come to 1 conclusion......."that they really don't want tourists to return".....furthermore I believe it is the governments intention to close down farang entertainment venues for good....I.E. bars,go go bars and massage shops.

Behave. If you think Thailand is a tough gig to get into - go see neighbours Hong Kong and Singapore which are closed, and if you get government permission to enter you will do a horrific 3 weeks quarantine. Try getting into Vietnam! Thailand has one of the more open approaches in Asia.

There is a raging pandemic with a more transmissible variant. If they put no measures in place (albeit some are misguided) you'd have a scenario with a virus raging out of control (see India), which will in turn cause more damage. 

5 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

 

You didn't read the timeline ?

 

Gardens and swimming were closed and then opened in january/februrary... with a much lower number of cases per day than now... when we do reopen them.

 

I repeat the question : where is the logic ?

 

You can't have it both way : closing in january with less than 1 000 cases per day, and open again with more than 2 000 cases in june.

 

Here is my own hypothesis : those policies (closing gardens and swimming pools) are just gimmicks. They have ZERO EFFECT on the virus.

I assume parks and pools were closed as they intended to stop close social gatherings in large groups. Tad misguided of course. 

There is also the psychological trick of raising awareness by some low level, yet striking policies - eg, closing malls an hour early. On the surface it does very little to stop the spread, but it does raise awareness and resonates with people who may have become relaxed. 

You also have to assume that perhaps they attempted to get the virus back to zero covid like they have enjoyed with past outbreaks, but it's an impossible task with the new variant. I'm sure they aren't prepared to let the virus rip through the country, but ultimately they are going to accept medium levels of covid. 

1 hour ago, cclub75 said:

Great news.

 

But why no one asking : "what did we achieve ?"

 

Let's speak about "gardens" and "swimming pools" for instance (in Bangkok).

 

January 2 : they close

Source : https://thailand.prd.go.th/mobile_detail.php?cid=4&nid=10577

 

February 1 : they open.

Source : https://thailand.prd.go.th/mobile_detail.php?cid=4&nid=10743

 

April 24 : They close.

Source : https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailand-reports-2839-new-coronavirus-cases-8-new-deaths-2021-04-24/

 

June 14 : They open.

 

And ?

 

(cases from december 1 to june 11, source Our World in Data).

 

 

Where is the science ?

 

Where is the logic ?

 

The truth hurts : nowhere.

They achieved not letting the virus run out of controls. You could have got a situation like in some European countries where they were having over 100,000 cases a day and hospitals full. 

This Indian variant is much more trannsmissible - no chance they can get it back to zero. 

Good news and bad news.

Good things opening up, especially the nonsensical choice to close down parks. 

Bad news - infections will definately creep up. 

Just a warning if i'm in a park, and some jogger dares runs past me without a mask in heavy exhale pespiration emitting from their mouths i will explode. 

1 hour ago, JCP108 said:

The risk of getting a false positive test (1/67 with three PCR tests not counting whatever risk there is from the lab mishandling the sample) adds some stress, too, even if you are careful and don't expose yourself to someone infected.

You would literally be walking around on egg shells, fearing anyone would come near you and pass something on. You'd have to be incredibly brave to go and sit down in restaurants or bars (if open) surrounded by people without masks - if the consequence could mean a positive PCR test. It would be akin to getting to sent to jail !

As soon as it went to 14 days (actually 15 days), with 3 tests, and the threat of going into a field hospital, families seperated if you test positive, then it was never going to work. 

It's essentially just turned into a another quarantine proposal, that will take guests from Bangkok to Phuket. The number who have entered Bangkok since ASQ began has been very low. Infact Phuket will probably be best served by just opening up to domestic tourists again. 

With the more dangerous Indian variant i do understand why Thailand would be cautious. There will be unvaccinated people coming to Phuket mixing with new tourists who may pass the virus onto them, and then they take the virus back to an unvaccinated Bangkok population. 

18 hours ago, connda said:

I would never subject my children to the potential of being forcefully separated from we, the parents, and quarantined alone in a foreign country by people who we do not know.  Which mean I would never bring a child to Thailand under these conditions.  My guess?  I'm not the only one to think like this. 

Sounds horrific indeed. So i doubt they are going to get many families. 

2 minutes ago, chalawaan said:

I guess it was too much of a stretch for that guy to actually go up and ask the group for himself. A conspiracy theory is much more fun, no?

Going by his logic he probably assumed as they were from India they could only speak Indian. I assumed he watched them closely disgusted that they broke the laws and plane just landed at Utapao airport and every Indian just ran off when as soon as the wheels of the Boeing A380 hit the tarmac - after all by his logic, that's what's Indians do.

He then may have come up with other cliched racial stereotypes - maybe he was afraid they would start measuring his trouser length if he approached them, or perhaps they may he wanted his share his drink with a straw. No, he kept his distance and reported the incident on the internet of wandering Indians in Pattaya - how dare they. 

11 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

every open restaurant serves whatever you desire to drink in a cup, been that way since day 1
the only thing missing is the bars with girls' in them

I still feel this is NOT about tourism but making it easier for expats that have not been able to get back to thailand an easy in for them.

 

Since these new arrivals cant leave phuket, what about those farnags living on phuket that have not yet been vaccinated?  will we need show a dl or id stating we live here?

i cant see more than a few thousand arrivals in the 1st 2 months and than sept it will drop off till Nov.

 

The risk of catching covid, and extending your quarantine to another 14 days would be too stressful to enjoy any social gathering - like bars, restaurants, etc. The only positive is you can go for walks, and leave your room. Doubt anyone will be playing russian roullete and hitting restaurants and bars (if open). 

43 minutes ago, smedly said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that - these were definately Indian and new arrivals - easy to spot 10 of them walking around looking very new and very out of place

So you see a few indian guys walking around  Pattaya - you suspect they are new arrivals from India, despite Indians being banned due to the new variant. Your reasoning for believing this is because they seem 'out of place'. 

Just curious what is the 'norm' to look like being in Pattaya? Old, crusty, shaved head, and a British accent?

This variant is ripping through the UK. Infections have increased over a 100% in a week. 

AWFUL NEWS. Porous borders from Indian to Myanmar to Thailand are to blame. 

On 6/2/2021 at 3:08 AM, cclub75 said:

 

Lock downs do not work. Sadly, covid believers don't understand this, or don't want to.

 

(always look things into a mirror... it helps to understand by giving another perspective)

 

More seriously, you have no scientific proof whatsoever that lock downs are "working".

 

Look at Australia... An island-continent... borders closed... The virus still manage to find a way. Look at Vietnam.

 

And of course look at all those "lockdown" countries (UK, Europe etc.)... What did they achieve during many months ?

 

Everywhere... nothing... But covid deaths, and Covid infected... plus economic hardship.

 

 This the same Australia that has a handful of cases, and other than a tiny little outbreak of a few cases is a relatively free lifestyle? Compared to say European countries where some were averaging a 120,000 cases a day !

Think the poster who said you need to be tech savy to get registered may be hampering the older generation. 

This morning i am noticing a few few are going to the vax with their eligible parents. Once again, i find that very odd. 

I understand the concept of vaccinating key workers - it's a concept many countries have gone with. But there's also a large amount of young people getting vaccinated who aren't key workers - under what remit and HOW are they getting to the front of the line, ahead of an old lady in her 80s. 

On 6/5/2021 at 10:07 AM, richard_smith237 said:

There are 1318 hospitals in Thailand.

 

Get the vaccines to the hospitals !!!.... 

 

The distribution is clearly going to be different from the raw numbers - but 70 million people could be vaccinated at 1318 hopitals within a month.

 

If each hospital has 5 nurses - injecting a patient every 2 minutes (x5) for 12 hours a day = 1800 people per day per hospital. 

 

Hospitals have a lot more than 5 nurses !!!! surely nurses can give injections ?

 

Of course it's not as clear cut as that - but it does highlight how its possible.

 

 

 

The issue is of course not ‘getting people vaccinated’ but the lack of vaccines.

 

 

Logistics is just an excuse. There should be no logistics issue - that's the easy part. 

The theory behind trying to produce it in Thailand made sense in principle - but it has been an unmitigated disaster. The delay is leaving untold damage to Thailand. 

In hindsight they have never mass produced anything like this before in Thailand, and perhaps another nation in Asia should have been the one to mass produce it.