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9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:
India cancelled their Pfizer order for cost reasons.
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc said on Friday it had withdrawn an application for emergency-use authorisation of its COVID-19 vaccine in India, after failing to meet the drug regulator’s demand for a local safety and immunogenicity study.
If you say so, but before everyone calls you a liar, you should back your statements up with more than your good word and the echo's of other comments above. So, do as you see fit but stop lying and misleading.
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18 hours ago, Danderman123 said:
What’s your point?
19 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:And for how long will that 95% protection last until the next booster has to be done?
95% protection of a risk that does only exist on a minimal level for people outside the vulnerable groups really makes much sense ????
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.14.21267615v1.full-text
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4 hours ago, placeholder said:
As for India, I noted you didn't mention why India refused to certify the Pfizer vaccine. Did you think it wouldn't get checked? Nothing to do with effectiveness.
India govt won't buy Pfizer, Moderna vaccines amid local output -sources
India's government will not buy COVID-19 shots from Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech (22UAy.DE) and Moderna (MRNA.O), three government sources told Reuters, mainly because domestic output of more affordable and easier-to-store vaccines has jumped.
That essentially means the globally popular vaccines, which their makers have pledged not to sell to private parties during the pandemic, will not be available for now in the world's two most populous countries - China and India.
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc said on Friday it had withdrawn an application for emergency-use authorisation of its COVID-19 vaccine in India, after failing to meet the drug regulator’s demand for a local safety and immunogenicity study.
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mRNA VE against omicron, tertiary numbers for booster performance vary by report. I don't claim by how much they wane and in what timeline so I included the following link. There are 100's more, draw your own conclusion.
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2022/2/11/22929464/covid-19-booster-shot-effectiveness-timeline
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52 minutes ago, heybruce said:
deaths from Covid
triple vaccinated with a covid vaccination and dying from covid does not give me the warm and fuzzies. Imagine getting polio after 3 vaccinations.
WE NEED A SOLUTION that works (better).
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8 minutes ago, Airalee said:
Of the 3.4/100,000 40-49 year olds, how many were overweight?
You will have to check on that, how you do it will be interesting. But, spose that's why the good Lord invented yandex.
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3 minutes ago, catturd said:
well, tbh I don't really know. But maybe they do, I suspect they are not all cracked up to what some would want you to believe.
Omicron will likely continue to infect and kill at risk cohorts at will. Vaccination technology needs to improve or this mess will just linger until.....when?
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well, tbh I don't really know. But maybe they do, I suspect they are not all cracked up to what some would want you to believe.
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Pfizer announced before Christmas that in a clinical trial of children aged 2 to 4 years old, two doses of vaccine failed to generate antibody levels on par with those seen in people aged 16 to 25 after two shots.
Best advise is assess ones risk of covid disease and/or wait for vaccine efficacy and safety results from the current ongoing pfizer clinical trials ending 2026.
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Fauci “But if you are a normal, healthy 30-year-old person with no underlying conditions, you might need a booster only every four or five years.”
Does anyone really know.
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6 hours ago, ozimoron said:
ignorant attempt to imply that the vaccines "do nothing"
I will say that the vaccines are effective UNTIL they are not. To say otherwise is just nonsensical spin. Two dose mRNA and AZ provide ZERO/negitive protection (pfizer VE=0%, AZ: -20%) after 20 weeks and the pfizer booster jab wanes to 40% after 10 weeks.
If the vaccines are so effective why does BioNTech and pfizer recommend as a minimum now a 4th dose booster and announce they are working on a new omicron specific version.
Now go have a look at the pathetic mess in highly vaccinated AU (~78% 2 doses, ~20% boosters) and all the record setting covid infections (higher /capita than US) (more infections were recorded in the last seven days than in the 707 days since the country’s first case) there amongst a population with probably very low natural immunity.
Suffice to say, Omicron variant has changed the playing field, obviously, so must the covid mitigation and mgmt policies change in response, without new strategies AND effective vaccines and other treatments, immunity against covid may be a very long way away.
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Dr. Yong's comments may be accurate, but the problem is the protection levels afforded by the increased antibodies may be insufficient against omicron as reported recently by a small study in Israel and comments from pfizer & moderna CEO's and BioNTech. An omicron specific solution is in the works with both moderna & pfizer now with production ETA March 2022.
The UK-HSA published some results of VE data for pfizer and Moderna boosters: pfizer drops to 40% after 10 weeks. Biggest drop is a negative VE 20 weeks after two dose AstraZeneca series. Moderna booster (2 dose mRNA) performed much better. I know some Thai individuals who have purchased several lots of moderna jabs, perhaps they can be used as boosters in TH.
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6 hours ago, webfact said:such as fatigue and cognitive impairment.
So, with >1.9M new daily covid cases worldwide there could be a lot of stupid, sleepie people running amok.
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18 minutes ago, candide said:
I did not check for India
If you did, you won't find any.
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41 minutes ago, candide said:
Only if you assume that all covid deaths are counted.
Yeah, ok I see that. So, maybe France and India have similar CFR's unless France has "underestimated" this metric as well.
But the funny part is this:
"There is a growing sense that official counts of Covid-19 deaths are underestimated in South Asia, including India and do not reflect the actual scale of the pandemic, a latest World Bank report indicated on Thursday"
Where I come from that's unconvincing speculation and fails the prima facia test. If we assumed facts based on a "growing sense", 555,
No proof, hard evidence, etc exists and none was presented in your link.
Sure, all the data we see reported daily and globally is not easy to compute accurately at times and is often theoretical and based on algorithms churning away in the basement of the CDC as an example, but to expect "a growing sense" to fly is comic.
Unless the World Bank can correct the reporting errors and provide accurate data we have no alternative data sources despite our "growing senses" and I ask you to refute the Oxford data as presented in the metric I referred to and submit the accurate 7 day rolling average of deaths/milion for India, until you do we can "assume" you don't have any data and the death rates in my post stand as data for reference purposes here.
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9 minutes ago, JomtienEats said:
I wondered why Thailand had such low rates of COVID for so long -
Who can say with any degree of certainty what's going on in Thailand. They recorded the first corona virus case outside China way back in January 2020.
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5 hours ago, Willy Wombat said:
A dirty, unhygienic and
under vaccinated country like Thailand
,,,,,,and maybe India too, but despite their "hygiene" levels, their covid death rates are a fraction of France's covid death rate.
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14 hours ago, jak2002003 said:We are told this new mutation is just as mild as the common cold, right?
It may turn out to be mild as you mention:
- Three New Studies Suggest Omicron Triggers Milder Illness Than Delta
- Early assessment of the clinical severity of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant in South Africa
- Omicron less likely to put you in the hospital, studies say
- https://apnews.com/article/omicron-less-likely-to-put-you-in-hospital-ec46b4dbbf55e16b79a3c267ced6a7df
- https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19803368.covid-scotland-omicron-hospital-admissions-lower-expected/
But:
"But scientists warn that it's too soon to dismiss Omicron cases as resembling the common cold, even if the variant winds up being milder on its own. Omicron is still highly transmissible — cases are doubling every two to three days in the US — and hospitalizations are bound to rise the more it spreads.
"Even if Omicron is 'less severe,' people still do end up at the hospital," Jetelina said. "If a virus is moving through 330 million people, that small percentage can add up very quickly."-
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14 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:
Thailand fails on every metric
Like what, cheap, easy words, but what metrics? Show the metrics, then we can discuss.
Ah, nevermind. I don't want to be "bashing" away at you.
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1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said:
Yip.
Pity some people can't understand this and try and deflect from Thailand's pitiful vaccine campaign.
Ten months only 60% double jabbed and 7% boosted
16 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:LOL.
And an abysmal testing rate.
Note you left that bit out
Silly me, I didn't know that "vaccine" and "testing" were the same thing, but do tell us how that became to be in your mind.
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35 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:
Yip.
Pity some people can't understand this and try and deflect from Thailand's pitiful vaccine campaign.
Ten months only 60% double jabbed and 7% boosted.
Anything but pitiful. Their vaccination rates (fully vaccinated with 2 doses's) exceeds vax rates for Asia, Europe, the World and now exceeds USA and many other countries and FYI compare Thailand's recent data of new daily case rates (7-day rolling) of covid infection for context. Thailand's covid mgmt performance is good all things considered.
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On 12/22/2021 at 11:17 PM, anchadian said:
even Omicron
I find that questionable, since it the WRAIR vaccine announced recently has not been tested on omicron.
“The Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle platform is designed to protect against an array of SARS-CoV-2 variants and SARS-origin variants but was not tested on the Omicron variant.”
Some confusion about the announcement.
https://www.wrair.army.mil/node/659
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1 hour ago, StayinThailand2much said:
Is this for any vaccines, incl. Pfizer?
Moderna may be a good choice now, it's shown to be as good and likely superior booster VE compared to Pfizer in a recent UK report.
Do check though as some countries advise against moderna vaccine in males under 24 years of age and there may be more advisories.
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14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:
Ah yes, the CDC .... C an't D eny or C onfirm folks
And, also, we have this guy named Fauci.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion/ar-AAQbFiu
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Seems the Unvaccinated Topic hit home, 50/50 in response
in Thailand News
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lol, ok, whatever you say.
The drug regulator said on its website its experts did not recommend the vaccine because of side effects reported abroad were still being investigated. It also said Pfizer had not proposed any plan to generate safety and immunogenicity data in India.
“Based on the deliberations at the meeting and our understanding of additional information that the regulator may need, the company has decided to withdraw its application at this time,” Pfizer said in a statement.
“Pfizer will continue to engage with the authority and re-submit its approval request with additional information as it becomes available in the near future.”
https://www.metro.us/pfizer-drops-india-vaccine/