Rampant Rabbit

6 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Yes to the more than 180 day part.

 

They are different names already, one is resident, the other is tax resident or resident for tax purposes, you have to pay close attention to the wording.

 

Correct to No income into Thailand part.

 

As for the rest of what you wrote, you worry too much and your imagination is far too vivid, relax, it will be OK.

 

FWIW I think everyone should stop trying to second guess this and worry needlessly. Thailand has a solid track record of announcing new things before they've been thought through fully, once they have, at a later date, what is implemented will make sence and be logical.

 

 

Yes I do get it, but again 180 days = resident but should i rewrite that as TAX resdient, theres a  discrepancy in some wording in a previous  post I think it should say tax  resident not resident, ok its here in your  reply below

The DTA applies to persons who are residents of the Contracting States. In order to be classified as a Thai resident and be entitled to treaty benefits, a person must be one of the following:

- An individual who stays in Thailand for a period or periods exceeding in the aggregate 180 days in a tax year;

Ok so 180days = "resident " according to the above qoute you posted? ( no mention being a  tax  resisdent in that, though i accept i would be) but the above staes I would then be resident?

1 minute ago, Mike Lister said:

Yes to the more than 180 day part.

 

They are different names already, one is resident, the other is tax resident or resident for tax purposes, you have to pay close attention to the wording.

 

Correct to No income into Thailand part.

 

As for the rest of what you wrote, you worry too much and your imagination is far too vivid, relax, it will be OK.

 

FWIW I think everyone should stop trying to second guess this and worry needlessly. Thailand has a solid track record of announcing new things before they've been thought through fully, once they have, at a later date, what is implemented will make sence and be logical.

 

 

I see a  world where EVERYTHING you do is watched / checked /monitored its quickly going that way, the abandoment of  cash the introduction of technology in cars to control the vehicles speed even to stop you using it at certain times of day is virtually already there and peoples  willingness to accept it, the  "if youve nothing to hide people" until a mistake  happens, its way past  Orwellian already. Thankfully Ill be dead by the times its  all done and dusted.

13 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

Thanks, that's a hugely important piece of information as it would seem to mean that any income covered by the Double Taxation Agreement/Treaty that has been tax assessed/paid in your home country would not incur any additional Tax in Thailand.

 

 

 

Thats was my take on it  but maybe not.

5 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

Not trying to be pedantic here but a resident of Thailand and a resident of Thailand for tax purposes are not the same. Someone here on a long stay visa is not a resident of Thailand, only a Thai citizen or a person who has been granted residency can be a Thai resident.

Yes Thanks I do know that, its  all rather unclear in almost every sense of the wording. How  about the contracting state part?

19 minutes ago, freeworld said:

For the uk dta see article 6: Limitation of relief.

They want to class me as "resident" for tax, two words in their "residents of  Thailand"  then "and contracting states" of which the UK is a  contracting state

2 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

It all depends on how the agreement is applied... 

 

E.g. A very simple example, you have a private pension of £12,500 pa (Approx 560,000b) which would generate no Tax as it's < the £12,570 Personal Taxation Allowance but your PTA in Thailand is 150,000 (Ignoring additional allowances), in a worse case scenario you could be liable to tax on all of it when you transfer it to Thailand . 

   - First 150,000 taxed at 0% = 0

   - Next 150,000 taxed at 5% = 7,500

   - Next 200,000 taxed at 10% = 20,000

  - Remaining 60,000 taxed at 15% = 9,000

Total Tax = 36,500b pa

But then again read  below from the tax  depts Thai website , the UK tax is  zero they should  apply that rate  according to them   as thats the better rate. I for one will certainly bring in no more than 150k and live of my Wifes  income if they start this stupidity   .https://www.rd.go.th/english/23520.html

5.   What happens if the rate of tax stipulated in the Revenue Code is different from that of an agreement?  

- Apply the rate which is more beneficial to the taxpayer.  

For a resident who is 65 years of age or older, an exemption is granted on income up to an amount not exceeding THB 190,000.

6 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Google flights is a bit disappointing. 

 

So far Etihad seems the best with 40 kg in economy.

I hear 6 month before is the sweet spot , but some are already full.

dont believe they are already full, Oman show their flights  full one day and two days later half empty, its a ruse

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Gulfair doesn't fly to my destination and indeed KLM and airfrance are not for me.

Nothing through dubai , I take "pills" .

whats the destination? what have you been quoted business or economy? "Europe" is too vague

40 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

We don't rely on the law back home in the US. Nor anyone else we are at . We know the law won't be around when you really need them. Here, they could be present and it could go bad because I'm a foreigner. You have to live by the  I will take matters into my own hands to protect myself or what's mine, and they will be the ones who lose. Been there, done it. If someone threatens my or my family's life, they will lose. It isn't arrogance but what is real. Defending yourself against someone who has a gun or machete in their hands, and they come after you, it's self defense anywhere. Thai law............

Section 67 Any person shall not be punished for committing any offence on account of necessity:

1. When such person is under compulsion or under the influence of a force such that such person cannot avoid or resist; or
2. When such person acts in order to make himself or another person to escape from an imminent danger which could not be avoided by any other means, and which such person did not cause to exist through his own fault. Provided that no more is done than is reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

Section 68 Any person is to commit any act for defending his own right or other person's right in order to except from a danger arising out of violence tortuous to the law and such danger to be imminent, if reasonably having committed under the circumstance, such act is a lawful defense, and such person shall not have a quilt.

Section 69 In the cases as provided in Sections 67 and 68, if the act committed is in excess of what is reasonable under the circumstances or in excess of what is necessary, or in excess of what is necessary for the defense, the Court may inflict less punishment to any extent than that provided by the law for such offence. But, if such act occurs out of excitement, fright or fear, the Court may not inflict any punishment at all.

 The law is not  followed in Thailand and Thai laws are vague, the family would push for jailtime or money/both if i killed him even in self defence. Yes mr machete would go to jail but he would be  released very early, see it  all the time here with serious crimes  obviouly not as serious as the laughable Les majeste laws, that really IS serious, (sarcasm off) Thailand is  full of ex murderers  wandering about, anytime theres a report of child molestation /murder youll find they were incarcerated before often numerous times.

58 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Tickets from Thailand are more expensive, than to Th.

Pricing that differs from where you book.

wrong if you know where to look

29 minutes ago, FlorC said:

It's been 7 years without having to fly . Now I have to .
Things have changed since covid ?
Where do you buy tickets these days , to europe.
Does it make a difference to use a VPN so that they can't see I'm in Thailand ?

Unlike all the <deleted> answers here id  avoid  skyscammers these  sites dont go to all airlines try going direct to www.gulfair.com Ive found them the cheapest at the moment for getting to the UK, ive just booked a Business  class flight with them for 80,000 baht return to the UK thats way cheaper than many others, Air france klm crap service but cheap and Oman Air  crap service but cheap

www.omanair.com  www.airfrance.com

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

They come at you with a machete or gun you defend yourself with whatever force necessary. That is attempted murder, and the price is harsh, at least to an American. If they are in such a hurry, they wouldn't brake test you .If they do, that's arrogance, thinking they own the road. They don't.

thats no good  when you are  dead, you seem to be relying on the law, it DOESNT exist here, whatever you do you LOSE, defend yourself and  kill him then you go to jail, he  kills you he goes to jail but I know for a fact they dont stay in jail long maybe 2-3  years then they get let  out again to repeat. They are arrogant, you on ly have to look at Kamanan guy, there are MANY like him.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

If I'm doing the speed limit, or slightly above, in the outer lane, and someone comes up on my arse, without flashing their lights, I stay right there. They have a lane to the left to go around you, you aren't going too slow in the outer lane, and arrogance doesn't fly with me anyway. If they are in a hurry, flash your lights, and I'll gladly let you pass, even though again, they could just go around me. Same thing back home in Texas. If there is traffic, and they want to go faster, and I can pull to the left, I will. But getting up on my arse isn't going to help their cause.

and if  u have to stop quickly and they crush you to death in your car, or  pull in front and start brake testing you? then finally if you dont do what they want  pull out a gun or machete.............Ive been there and had that happen heres the guy with the machete a  few  years  ago when he wasnt happy that I wouldnt move out of  his way.............reported to police with footage, they did NOTHING 

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

If you have Neutral bonded to Earth at your home and you have a good earth, it's impossible for anything in the street to give you a N-E voltage house-side after your bonding.

heres  what crossy  told  me about this  years  ago : I did test during the  day and the results were fine  it didnt head away  by more than 1 volt...........at night its a different  matter.

(Crossy said)

I strongly suspect that "something" involved with the street lighting is pulling up the N possibly due to a bad joint somewhere.

If it's not actually causing you issues I wouldn't worry about it, but it might be an idea to do a test during the day. Put a decent load on in the house (kettle, water heater) and see what the neutral does if it heads away from ground by more than a volt or two then I reckon there's a bad joint in the N somewhere on the way to the transformer which the lighting load is pulling up too.

This will of course be fun getting PEA to look at because it only happens when the lights come on.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

If you have Neutral bonded to Earth at your home and you have a good earth, it's impossible for anything in the street to give you a N-E voltage house-side after your bonding.

Feel free  to come down and see as thats EXACTLY whats been happening for 2  years until i separated N and E and I also consulted with Crossy over this for a considerable period of time, I went through it with him performed all the tests The only fix was Neutral NOT bonded to Earth, when bonded at night my house door handles have 20v going thru them. Even now when the streetlights  switch on I have 20v down my separate E N but no longer through my door  handles. Crossy determined through testing their streetlights are at fault and we estyablished my side of the connection is fine. Told Pea...................vacant look

On 9/19/2023 at 6:27 AM, spidermike007 said:

A follower mentality. Like adhering to a 90kph speed limit, on a 4 lane divided highway. I do not care how many of those inane mailbox tickets they send. I will continue throwing them away for the rest of my life. Silly laws are meant to be ignored, ridiculed and dismissed. As long as I do not harm myself or others, I have no issues with ignoring stupidity.

another stupid new  rule the retards  have come up with is the 3  lane speed limits minimum 100 max  120 in the outer ONLY LANE, most of them have no idea what a minimum speed  limit sign is or  loooks  like.

So i was doing 120kph in the outer  lane and johnny stupid thai winker is right up my arse as usual with his peanut sized brain and c*ck no doubt so I  pulled over to let the tw*t pass and then I get a speeding ticket in the post for doing 120 in the middle  lane, so my advice is dont pull over just sit there all day and if you do  pull over into the   middle lane you MUST be doing not  more than 100kph when you enter it. Dumb.

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think you need to bond neutral to earth at your earthing location, that should solve the neutral to earth 20 V problem

Nope, I already did that right from the start as we had MEN system installed in the road, I had to disconnect it and go with separate earth rods and not bonding Nto E before this  the the door  handles of the house (metal)  gave  me a 20v  tingle (only when street lights  turned on), this  all stems from something theyve done with the streetlighting over 2  years  ago, and which Ive told them about for over 2  years, tested  on my meter between  L N E all good but when connected as it should be with neutral joining th earth bar............big problem.

In the day its fine correct polarity etc as  soon as the streetlights  turn on get 20v down neutral to earth, I can recreate it exactly by going out in the street and covering the streetlight light sensor which turns the streetlights on at dusk

Thai workers for the most part are  utter cretins, I only use 13.5 bar pipe as it  will last longer especially if it gets any UV on it, I also spray paint them to stop that uv damage outdoors, each joint is sanded  down, then wiped with cellulose  thinners then glued with SGC's THICK glue not that pisswater in the green tins, that stuffs  junk, twist joints and hold for 30 seconds, dont use for an hour or so after gluing. On long  runs I use HDPE underground as no joints but again a  high bar pressure not that thin junk thery sell at Thai Watsadu or Global farce .....experience 10 years doing crap like this correctly

Thanks your  lucky stars...pea by me have just destroyed 4 of my fcu auto reclosers by "fixing" the street lighting yesterday, Im sick of the <deleted> s, they couldnt wire up an electric chair to  kill themselves. Ive spent 2  years  telling them there is 20v down neutral to earth everytime their street lighting switches on near our  land at 6pm, oh no, they told me its my earthing was no good, theyre  idiots at best.

yesterday they came and "fixed"  the street lighting..........now all of a sudden 4 different fcu's in 4  different houses on my land are all dead, pretty sure they have damaged the auto reclosers, photo attached of auto recloser.

Best part Im away out of country for 6 weeks, only  just left....now got  no cctv cameras, no well water pumps, no electric at all...shows power to main incoming board next to the meter on the boundary wall but all other houses 100%dead, none, of the breakers  tripped and trying to diagnose this from 6000 miles  away isnt easy. I installed the auto reclosers  after the electric kept going off repeatedly as in 2-3  times a week and being away from the house a lot didnt want a fridge full of decomposed  food, they worked great............now it  looks  like i have to replace all 4 at 2k baht each I also added  lightning surge protectors and over under voltage protection.....if I could only get a "useless pea wucking fanka" protector  installed

30  years  ago a  customer of  mine, a  wealthy dentist, came  up to  me and  patted  my  bum whilst i was working in her  house renovating it.

Still  laugh about it today,  traumatized , nah. she died  recently in Florida in her  holiday home. Well thats what this  story reminded me of.

5 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

This new ruling will mean throngs of traffic police everywhere we go enforcing it all - maybe. 

 

But out and about yesterday, on the first day, I didn't see anything that looked like a policeman. 

I did, he was in  POLICE sign written( in their lovely maroon  colour) Toyota Hi Ace doing 120kph about 8 feet from my rear bumper as I was  about to tun right at a  U  turn.........its  stuff  like that which makes you realise the force is  just a Farce, they are as dangerous and stupid as the rest of them on the road...........cept they have a shiny uniform and are good at holding their hands out for tips, this one was the best cupid stunt Ive seen so far althogh the two in a highway patrol car who drove round a steel 4ft square  cage in the middle of a 3  lane road and didnt stop to remove it come a close  second.

The  fat lump  cant even keep  awake  let  alone keep the country running