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from the New England Journal of Medicine artiicle hot-linked in the Bloomberg article above:
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Our results suggest that the inactivated SARS-CoV-2 vaccine effectively prevented Covid-19, including severe disease and death, a finding that is consistent with results of phase 2 trials of the vaccine. (Funded by Agencia Nacional de Investigación y Desarrollo and others.) -
2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:
Considering that the Chile University study said the first dose Sinovac was only 3% effective with the original strain then a fag packet calculation would probably have been good enough..555
Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study
By Jason Gale
July 7, 2021, 9:17 PM EDT Updated on July 8, 2021, 6:30 PM EDTSinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine was less potent than Pfizer Inc.’s at stopping Covid-19 in Chile where the two shots were used simultaneously, allowing the first real-world comparison of the two inoculations. China’s CoronaVac was 66% effective in preventing Covid among fully vaccinated adults, compared with 93% or the jab made by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech SE.
The research shows both shots protect against severe disease. Sinovac’s inactivated inoculation, given to more than 10 million Chileans, was slightly less effective in preventing hospitalization and deaths than Pfizer’s messenger RNA vaccine, which was administered to fewer than half a million people, according to the study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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39 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:
So then there may be 14 persons in Phuket who will appreciate your generosity.
Exactly Mr Mahoney and I wish them well.
... And they might even say to you, given the chance, in the words by Sting:
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1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:
Perhaps you will get sinovac.
but I think it’s Bangkok that has the most problems dealing with foreigners. I had an appointment in Udon for AZ, but couldn’t go because of quarantine. I’ve since had 14 appointments in Phuket, but cancelled them all because it was sinovac.
So then there may be 14 persons in Phuket who will appreciate your generosity.
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Deceased Samut Sakhon doctor was not vaccinated against Covid-19
Published : July 13, 2021
The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus.“Phicheat or Dr Neung was never vaccinated as he has chronic diseases: allergy and asthma,” said Dr Naresrit Khatthasima, chief of the Samut Sakhon public health office. “He developed severe symptoms after infection, coupled with his health problems and exhaustion from working long hours at the hospital. These likely caused the Covid-19 symptoms to develop into pneumonia and respiratory failure.”
On Sunday, the Department of Disease Control reported that 880 medics had contracted Covid-19 since the latest wave began in April and seven have died; five were unvaccinated, one had received a dose of Sinovac and another had received two doses of Sinovac. It also said that of those infected, 19.7 per cent, or 173 people, had not been vaccinated.
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On 7/10/2021 at 8:16 PM, rumak said:
One thing i've noticed is that there are a heck of a lot LESS farangs on this new named site
that i had grown somewhat fond of . Seems like the purge has been successful.
Now there's just 2 or 3 that I even recognize. And I'm one of them !
But it is now the preferred home of epidemiological dilettantes in and about Thailand
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U.S. Officials Press Pfizer for More Evidence of Need for Booster Shot
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/us/politics/pfizer-booster-shots.html July 12, 2021
“Antibody response is not the only measure of immune protection,” said Dr. Leana S. Wen, a former health commissioner for Baltimore. “There have been multiple studies that suggest these vaccines also stimulate B cell and T cell immunity, so even if there isn’t as much antibody, that doesn’t mean someone isn’t protected.”
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U.S. Officials Press Pfizer for More Evidence of Need for Booster Shot
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/us/politics/pfizer-booster-shots.html July 12, 2021
“Antibody response is not the only measure of immune protection,” said Dr. Leana S. Wen, a former health commissioner for Baltimore. “There have been multiple studies that suggest these vaccines also stimulate B cell and T cell immunity, so even if there isn’t as much antibody, that doesn’t mean someone isn’t protected.”
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Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of Thailand’s Department of Disease Control
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9 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:
See what I mean?
Good. Your opinion with zero substantiation of anything you write should be the gold standard. I do my best to post verifiable sources without opinion from me. You seem to do the opposite.
The only emotional investment I have is with the billion plus people in the world who will get Sinovac and likely nothing else and then have to deal with social media saying Hey! the a vaccine you just received is useless.
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27 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:
I’ve noticed you get belligerent when people respond to your posts. I really don’t know why. It serves no purpose and is certainly unnecessary.
let’s just say that people can read your post and the attached article, then read my post and form their own opinions.
I posted an article with zero editorial comment from me. You then post a response with all sorts of assumptions and not one link provided to any source to substantiate your claim. You also seem to imply that the Bloomberg article is sloppy reporting. I didn't write the article and I made no claim that I agree with everything said in the article.
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As to the post a notch above, his name is Michael R. Bloomberg but people call him Mike. I'd guess he'd love to here from you as to his shortfalls of his reporting.
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10 hours ago, chalawaan said:
I lack time to read all the posts here, but has it occurred to any of us that if Sinovac is deadly ineffective here, and in Indonesia, what undisclosed damage is it doing, or will soon unleash, to the BILLIONS of supposedly vaccinated in China?
Explainer: Are Chinese COVID-19 shots effective against the Delta variant?Below are views from China's health experts about the effectiveness of home-grown vaccines against the Delta, which is becoming the globally dominant variant, and virus preventive measures China is taking.
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Thailand to Follow Sinovac With Astra Vaccine in World First
By Randy Thanthong-Knight
July 12, 2021, 6:25 AM EDTThailand will start administering the Sinovac Biotech Ltd. and AstraZeneca Plc shots as part of one Covid-19 vaccine regime, in a world first aimed at increasing protection against the more contagious delta variant.
The Southeast Asian nation will start giving the China-made Sinovac vaccine as a first shot to be followed by Astra three to four weeks later, health ministry officials said at a briefing near Bangkok Monday.
The decision is based on three separate local studies, which showed that following Sinovac with Astra elicited an immune response that’s as high as using two doses of Astra 12 weeks apart, according to Opas Karnkawinpong, director-general of Thailand’s Department of Disease Control. The new regime will allow the nation to quickly ramp up immunity against the delta variant, Opas said.
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1 hour ago, Thunglom said:
I very much doubt that......currently everything is being monitored and I think you'll certainly find research on that - it's just a matter of looking and hat kind of study.
To the above:
"After initial doubts owing to a lack of transparency in clinical trial data, Sinovac Biotech's (SVA.O) COVID-19 vaccine is emerging as a powerful tool against the virus. Data from Uruguay released last month showed it was over 90% effective in reducing both intensive care admissions and deaths."
While the referenced Uruguay report does not specifically mention Delta variant, from this chart you can reasonably suspect that was the case:
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According to https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/7/ Sinovac has been approved in 37 countries. They can't all be influenced by CP.
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1 hour ago, rabas said:
That still does not allow them to do business in violation of US FCPA, does it?
It gives them leverage on how they are willing to structure deal that is NOT in violation of FCPA.
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5 minutes ago, ftpjtm said:
Yes, and private hospitals have stated that if the Thai government allowed them to order Pfizer and Moderna from their long term business partners, they'd have had it many weeks ago.
Why didn't the Thai government allow them to purchase it? I think the BP article gives the answer.
Pfizer has issued a statement that they will only deal with central governments and supra-national agencies:
Pfizer has said that it is “working with federal governments across the world to supply its Covid-19 vaccine for use in national immunization programs. Our supply agreements at this time are with national governments and supra-national organizations with allocation of doses and implementation within the country being a decision that governments take based on relevant health authority guidance. This approach Pfizer has followed across the world."
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11 minutes ago, rabas said:As mentioned in a recent Bangkok Post article, maybe they don't want American vaccines because US corporations must follow US international anti-corruption laws.
Both Pfizer and Zuellig Pharma (SE Asia agent for Moderna) are long-time players in Thailand with substantial existing business in Thailand aside from vaccines. They are not babes-in-the-woods as regards US FCPA (Foreign Corrupt Practices Act).
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2 minutes ago, Bundooman said:
Except that there is no historical evidence that she actually said that. Right?
I said 'reportedly'
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4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:
Hopefully not getting banned for using capitals, but....
STOP BUYING IT, IT DOES NOT WORK !
From the OP:
He also said, however, that a study of antibodies among people who have received two doses of Sinovac vaccine, jointly conducted by doctors at the Central Chest Institute of Thailand and the National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology (Biotec), shows that their antibodies measured 70% and are barely efficacious against the Alpha (UK) or Delta (Indian) coronavirus variants.
Fine. He said 'barely efficacious'. Not zero
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1 hour ago, fusion58 said:
"Sinovac sucks."
- A member of my immediate family who is also one of the U.S. Army's top infectious disease and virology specialists.
... and as Marie Antoinette reportedly said when told that then peasants had no bread:
"Let them eat cake."
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8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:
I would wait for some confirmation on that one......555
... and wait.
But the PBS said the 700,000 were 'medics'.
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2 hours ago, Excel said:
Mind you with the spread to other provinces thanks to the Bangkokians then I suspect we shall eventually see similar scenarios in many other provinces unfortunately
At least in Khon Kaen, they do not see the situation as an invasion of lepers:
Khon Kaen New High, the main hospital is full!
Khon Kaen New High has 74 new cases of coronavirus, most of them returning from high-risk areas, the Ministry of Public Health is aiming to set up a covid hospital to cope with the ongoing epidemic situation.
Khon Kaen New High has 74 new cases of coronavirus, most of them returning from high-risk areas, the Ministry of Public Health is aiming to set up a covid hospital to cope with the ongoing epidemic situation.
Dr. Somchaichot Piyawatwela, a public health doctor in Khon Kaen province, said most of the new confirmed cases had come back from clusters in the red provinces and had a history of relationships with previously detected cases. All of them cooperate in revealing the timeline and undergo a rigorous investigation of the disease from the authorities. And everyone has been referred for treatment in the public health system already. While the management of the patient preparation confirmed that now it can still cope with the situation and has opened a field hospital in the main hospital area, including Phon Hospital, Ban Phai Hospital, Chum Phae Hospital and Hospital. Somdej Phra Yuparat Kranuan, which at Somjee Phra Yuparat Kranuan Hospital Hospitals and staff that had just completed construction were immediately set up as a field hospital to accommodate patients in the area. Kranuan and area Neighboring districts according to the referral system and manage patients according to The Ministry of Health has set
https://www.khonkaenlink.info/read/57713/ via Google translate
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PM calls for confidence in vaccines provided to citizens
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by jerrymahoney
Explainer: Are Chinese COVID-19 shots effective against the Delta variant?
BEIJING, June 29 (Reuters)
(Excerpt )- 'coping')
Guangdong, China's major manufacturing and export hub, became the country's biggest cluster of Delta cases since reporting its first locally transmitted Delta variant infection in May.
The Delta infections included 146 cases in Guangdong's capital Guangzhou and several cases from the southern tech hub of Shenzhen and nearby Dongguan city.
No new domestic transmissions of any variant have been reported in the province from June 22
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/are-chinese-covid-19-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-2021-06-29/