Lol, and they also burn the Malaysian flag. Like you say, not everywhere is the same. I found Bali to be extremely relaxed with a large expat contingent, and expat food in supermarkets. Very limited Muslim stuff going in Bali, bar the odd bombing. But yeah, safety wise, I feel a lot safer in Thailand. Even in Bali the rip-off factor is bigger than Thailand. I just feel Bali has so much going for it, has so much to offer, it is probably the next best place in SE Asia, after Thailand, in my eyes. Great artistic culture, spiritual places, real culture in other words, including world class food culture, maybe even better than Thailand, in the tourist areas I felt very safe in Bali. Just yah, venturing out, I guess you'd always have the rip-off fear in the back of the head. I could live in Malaysia, but I have to say I would prefer Bali. Just feels freer and more exciting. Yah, KL is calm and organised, I totally agree, but yah, it's a bit staid. I think the excitment factor in Indonesia is bigger.