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5 minutes ago, anchadian said:And this is the result from a hospital last Friday.
Just a reminder - https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1441369371062931456
Your wasting your time with him.
The Thai government endangered their citizens at over crowded, covid spreading scrums to get a headline, so their misguided apologists could post on forums like this.
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4 minutes ago, Neeranam said:The UK started much earlier due to the virus being spread by people not wearing masks, but I get what you are saying.
I feel quite proud of the ones in the UK who are resisting the vaccine.
The UK started much earlier because they pre-ordered different vaccines.
Including help fund the AZ vaccine development.
Thailand thought it could get a bargain basement price when the world was awash with vaccine.
As usual, the facts get in the way of your daily anti-west bashing.
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1 minute ago, Kadilo said:The overwhelming majority of the million + Thai citizens who benefitted from this day won’t give a hoot about your conspiracy theories and who scored what points.
They will have better things to do and be glad they have had some Covid protection and a step closer to getting back to normality, and getting their jobs and livelihoods back on track.
You still haven't answered the question of what the opening up of the borders looks like for tourists?
What's that 'getting back to normality' look like in terms of restrictions?
With a paltry 100,000 plus jabs yesterday, it evened out .
More playing to the gallery for gullibles like you.
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3 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:
Too vague,
Be more precise.
Define opened up.
Quarantine free entry into Thailand?
No COE required for entry?
The threat of enforced incarnation, if testing positive, removed?
You going to answer my question?
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The weather's always perfect in Thailand.
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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:
Costs of buying anything in NZ are so expensive that unless one wins a lottery, the average person ain't buying anymore. Before corona some lived in their cars or garages, and costs since early 2020 have increased substantialy. IMO it's only because the gov had to put people in motels because of corona that we don't have an actual housing crisis at the moment.
Seems like a lot of contributors on this forum like to complain about the price of things in their home country.
Maybe if they hadn't burned their bridges and kept that asset, they would be in a different place financially, emotionally and mentally.
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10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:
That makes me feel better about my opinion that we should buy property to live in, not as some sort of "investment" that may or may not work out in the future. If we don't want to depend on a building making money in the future, we can rent a very long time in LOS on what it costs to buy a place, and have the advantage of moving when it becomes an Air B and B for the Chinese masses, or an all night karaoke opens next door.
The history in civilised Western countries is that property goes up in value overtime.
People still want to get on the property ladder, raise a family and pass on the asset to their heirs.
Covid has accelerated that trend. The race for space.
Investing in anything in a third world toilet like Thailand is a complete and utter lottery.
You know the odds of winning in a lottery.
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3 hours ago, Henryford said:Agreed Jacko, it is easy to print 400 billion GBP, not so easy to pay it off. Thailand may be suffering now but will probably be back to normal in a year or two, with no debt.
You either help your citizens or you don't.
UK choose to protect people's jobs and livelihoods.
It's a model most civilised western nations followed.
Thailand doesn't give a fiddlers about it's poor.
Highest amount of wealth concentrated in smallest percentage of population in SE Asia.
Regarding the economics, i wouldn't believe the facts and figures coming out of any SE Asian country.
You just have to look at the Chinese property ponzi scheme, Evergrande.
The empty condo's that abound in Pattaya etc for evidence of that.
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1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:
It doesn't matter whether 100 or 100,000 tested positive per day. The decisive factor is how many people are severe, symptomatic cases and absolutely have to go to the hospital. In Europe, lockdown measures are increasingly controlled using this parameter. It is undisputed that the vaccinations are currently reducing the number of serious and fatal cases. The big unknown here is the appearance of new dangerous mutations.
Sarah Gilbert, who created the AZ vaccine, has said she thinks Delta is as bad as it gets.
The point you make about hospitalisations is crucial.
Pressure on any countries healthcare system is the defining metric going forward.
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1 hour ago, Kadilo said:What the rosy predictions made months ago that the country would be opened up and fully vaccinated by the end of the year whilst some were predicting another year or more.
Too vague,
Be more precise.
Define opened up.
Quarantine free entry into Thailand?
No COE required for entry?
The threat of enforced incarnation, if testing positive, removed?
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42 minutes ago, ukrules said:
If anyone thinks a 2 week delay is going to make any difference whatsoever they're mistaken.
Last October is when it really started to hit for the winter season with cases going from just a few thousand per day in the larger European countries in September to tens of thousands per day in mid October.
That was the 'signal' of the coming escalation.
If there's a massive explosion of cases in Europe with new lockdowns all over the place then I doubt anything will open up this winter at all.
Good point.
A couple of Pattaya bar owners/you tubers put a video up a couple of days ago, with some 'well connected ' visa agent.
They were bouncing about soi 7, thinking there was going to be an imminent reopening of BKK and the cash tills would be ringing for high season.
I think they are going to be very disappointed.
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2 hours ago, jacko45k said:
Who do you think will come out of all this better armed for the future? From what we see of the UK it has already saddled it's people with a massive amount of debt, increased tax levels have already been implemented (National Insurance), the supply chains are broken and empty shelves loom. Energy supplies are in danger and the price of energy is going through the roof.... meanwhile there are protests that block the main thoroughfares and illegal immigration and refugees pour in.
I think Thailand will climb out of it's problems, while the UK will be paying for decades, if it ever recovers.
Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.
Blighty will do just fine thanks.
Those of us that still own tangible assets in the UK are scraping by.
https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/09/15/house-prices-updates/
House prices up 11% year on year.
Meanwhile the Pattaya shoebox owners will be lucky to get pennies on the pound if they tried to sell.
You always find the most gobby on here are the ones who have burned their bridges and can look forward to a frozen state pension and having to learn mandarin to speak to their new neighbours.
I'll stick to pick'n'mixing Thailand to suit me thanks.
Now where's that calculator?
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10 minutes ago, Kadilo said:It’s not a disaster to those who wanted to get vaccinated and couldn't afford to pay for their jab at a private hospital.
I am sure they came away quite happy.
and with the virus they went to be protected against.
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13 minutes ago, anchadian said:
Canadians highlight the confusion, expense and hurdles facing tourists visiting Thailand right now
On Monday night in Phuket, local police launched a crackdown on bars selling alcohol in Patong, a resort on the western side of the island with one business leader claiming it had been informally agreed with local officials and police. The news comes as Thailand trails far behind countries like Singapore, Malaysia and Cambodia with only 22.6% of the population fully vaccinated and a lack of clarity on when more provinces in the kingdom will be staging a restricted re-opening without quarantine and on what terms. On Thursday, the National Communicable Disease Committee floated a proposal to reduce the quarantine period from 14 days to 7 days for vaccinated arrivals by air but it comes with moves by the government to replace the current emergency provision with permanent legalisation and reportedly an even larger oversight organisation.
Wanted 35000 baht, approx £800, for covid tests so the elderly Canadian couple could go to tourist sights.
Basically said, 'If we had known how bad the regulations would be, we would have gone to Portugal.'
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4 hours ago, Andrew65 said:A welfare society? In the UK, people have been on 'furlough', that's where the government pays them to do nothing.
No it's where the government supports thousands of businesses so they don't go bust.
Now the UK has reopened, these businesses start trading again, paying taxes, commercial rent and employees national insurance.
It's called thinking ahead and being proactive to stop a depression.
TVF's resident economic genuises can be relied upon to trot out the usual ill informed nonsense.
Meanwhile, residing in a third world toilet that does nothing for it's own citizens and businesses.
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10 minutes ago, Why Me said:
I doubt it has anything to do with the quality of the vaccines. But everything to do with not trusting the certificate that travelers bring with them. This came out with India where it seems Rs. 5000 buys you a fake. Once there's a way to instantaneously cross-verify with the source country (international DB) should be fine.
To be fair, their will no doubt be exacting vaccine production procedures.
Your certificate validity makes sense.
Can't imagine a digital global solution to certificates anytime soon with the state of global politics.
The whole thing is a complete mess, tit for tat retaliation will no doubt ensue.
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1 hour ago, DavisH said:
Stupid yes....they develped a vaccine but they at the same time dont approve it. That really makes sense.
Just like the UK doesn't believe any of Thailand's facts and figures regarding testing, ability to keep track of covid variants etc, they most likely don't trust the Thai's to not make a mess of producing the vaccine.
Yes, stupid for ever making Thailand their home.
Don't come back to the UK. Simple.
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46 minutes ago, PEE TEE said:So the Uk being one of the most stupid country's in the world apart from the USA. do not recognize AZ being the most used in the UK How is that then. Yet they allow hundreds of illegal rubber boat immigrants in without any vaccines and put them in hotels and pay them for the privilege . The real British citizens have to pay around 3000pounds on arrival to their own country . to conclude the punishment for going to Thailand is to pay out so the illegal's can get your money. i am British but would rather go to Afghanistan than the UK probably now more of them than their own country
Yeah real stupid.
- helped fund Oxford University create AZ vaccine to help get the world out of this mess. (possibly injected in your arm.)
- one of the world's largest genome sequencing capabilities to discover and warn the rest of the world of new variants of concern.
- a furlough scheme to support businesses and employees through the worst of the pandemic.
- donating vaccines globally to third world countries (like Thailand).
Maybe you got a donated AZ vaccine in your arm FOC gifted from the UK.
Keep your ill informed and bigoted opinions to yourself.
Now, care to tell us where your from?
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Meanwhile -
https://inews.co.uk/news/covid-19-like-common-cold-next-spring-experts-worst-pandemic-over-1213893
"Bring me sunshine ..............
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42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:All smoke and mirrors, this is whats been reported so far:
The US wants to send us 1 million Pfizer doses but can’t because Thai government hasn’t done paperwork
“[We have] a million doses that are waiting to go but Thailand has not finished the paperwork,” Duckworth said.
“I told the ambassador a month ago that it needs to be completed and they said they are going to go work on it…and in my position, it is very hard for me to go to the President and the national security agency and asked for more vaccines for Thailand when there is a million waiting that can’t be sent.”
Tammy said she had originally asked for the same amount for Indonesia and since there was no delay on documentation with them, Indonesia has now received more than eight million doses.
Video of Tammy Duckworth US Senator actually saying this
https://twitter.com/erich_parpart/status/1440937518233362432
Then this
Anutin accuses US senator of “fake news” over Pfizer delay
Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul Thursday refuted comments by US Senator Tammy Duckworth that the next batch of US Pfizer vaccine donated to Thailand is being held up by bureaucracy in Bangkok.
“From the discussion with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it has been found that the ministry has yet to receive the diplomatic document from the US government about the extra vaccine support to Thailand, so the news is not real,” Anutin said.
https://www.thaienquirer.com/33122/anutin-accuses-us-senator-of-fake-news-over-pfizer-delay/
The people missing out here are those in Thailand who could have been double jabbed with the vaccine already
And on a slightly less serious issue, the nit picking bureaucracy that awaits returning 'tourists'.
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1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:Common sense would see the following...
- Vaccinated arrivals no quarantine
- Pre-flight PCR test requirement
- Arrival PCR test requirement (24 hr home / hotel quarantine until negative result is known)
Only until 70% of the population if vaccinated with an ‘effective’ vaccine (i.e. not Sinpharm / Sinovac, but with Pfizer, Moderna - vaccines of >90% efficacy)
- Non vaccinated individuals (with out a medical certificate that they have a vaccine allergy etc) still quarantine (thats their choice).
Any period of quarantine will be unacceptable to 99.9% of tourists.
Unless your free to walk to a taxi after clearing immigration, then nobody but returnees is coming.
People keep quoting 70% as the herd immunity level, it is more likely that herd immunity will never be achievable.
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16 minutes ago, BusyB said:
Thanks for a genuinely intelligent assessment of the situation.
What amazes me is how many farangs think the 'Sandbox' has a) failed and b) failed because of the tourists and are c) essentially campaigning to keep everything shut.
Amazing Thailand.
It did fail.
They forecast 100,000 got at most 30,000.
Only 6,000 estimated real tourists.
Families being separated, with children taken off to hospital, isn't the easiest sell in the world for Thomas Cook.
UK's domestic tourist areas like Cornwall, have received record bookings for next summer.
Tells you all you need to know about the future of Thai tourism.
No one's coming.
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7 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:What you say is absolutely correct , providing 70% of the adult population is ADEQUATELY vaccinated. Given the concerns regarding the Chinese vaccinations effectiveness against Delta , im not sure Phuket is robust enough at the present time.
Many think it's 90% plus or quite simply herd immunity isn't possible.
Singapore reintroduced restrictions after a week of opening up.
Johnson hasn't ruled out similar restrictions to last year in the UK during the winter.
I will repeat again.
If enough pressure is put on a countries healthcare system, restrictions will be reintroduced.
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Thailand reports 12,353 new COVID-19 cases, 125 more deaths
in Thailand News
Posted · Edited by Cherrytreeview
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China has a zero covid policy as well.
A single case and a million plus get tested, enforced lockdowns and 21 day quarantine upon entry into the country.
The UK is concerned Thailand hasn't adequate genome sequencing and doesn't know what's going on.
A la virtually no proactive testing compared to a million tests a day in the UK.
There was nearly 70,000 at the Joshua fight last night in London.
I would worry about Thailand not the UK.
Nice to know of your concern though.
Thoughtful.