MrMojoRisin

Your response to a very extensive, factual list of Thaksin’s accomplishments is to regurgitate nonsense junta / anti-democracy / semi-fascist propaganda. ???????????? There are none so blind as those who will not see. https://www.britannica.com/science/Dunning-Kruger-effect

No, not clever at all, I believe he is no more than a man of average intellect - it’s just the dimwits he is being compared to that give the impression of cleverness. BTW - I was being facetious by labelling Thaksin a devil… those that preach this nonsense do so not because it’s true, but because they haven't the gumption to own their own ignorance and fascist leanings.

Yeah, Thaksin is the devil. ????????????

Incompetent junta <deleted> themselves over with their own constitution. ???????????? Imagine having absolute power, getting to write the rule book as you please and yet, being such an epic bunch of dip<deleted>s that you’re about to get flogged in an election and tossed to the curb just 4 short years after stealing the previous election. ???????????? I’ve come to understand that it is not that Thaksin is a genius that he wins so much, it is that those opposed him are an historically unprecedented horde of ass clowns. ???????????? Those on these forums that have and continue to support what is light fascism and try disingenuously to justify it with refrains of “Thaksin is the devil”, well… ????????????

Nonsense. irreversible change has and is occurring. This comment has got to take the cake as the most inaccurate and silliest yet made on this forum. If you believe there has been coup after coup to prevent civilian corruption (not to maintain military and elite corruption) then I’ve got a boatload of GT200 bomb detectors to sell you. Yours has got to be the dumbest anti democracy statement ever uttered. Why the fear of elections from those in power then? Why the jailing of anyone willing to speak up? Why the constant illegal banning of popular opposition figures? Why the abuse of section 112 of the constitution? Why the constant disbanding of opposition political parties? Why the constant rewriting of the constitution? Why the oppressive Computer Crimes laws?

My study of Thai ways has taught me that “the institution” unfortunately cannot be mentioned without risk of, at the very least, upsetting one nutter or another. Conservative institutions, no matter which type, have a tendency to appeal to fanatical nutters…. the preceding group identity matters little, for they are nutters one and all.

Euphemistically referred to as religious nutters.

Both posts do no such thing, so you are correct, no need for repetition. Inconvenient facts, mmm, how about...Thaksin's pro-poor policies and repeated election victories threatened entrenched interests of the conservative ruling elites, including the military, the civilian bureaucracy and the political establishment. Ain't it funny how the "those of us who were here" crowd, who somehow believe that their physical presence miraculously grants them omnipotence on all things Thai, always fail to exhibit any awareness whatsoever of what the Thai people themselves actually, think, feel, want and believe. A poll taken at the time showed 90 percent of Thais supported the drug war. Those above and below Thaksin supported the drug war. Sad but true. The drug war was terrible (and criminal), and there is plenty of blame to go around to plenty of people and organisations along with Thaksin. Your revisionist version of events does nothing but prove your own ignorance, unreliability and prejudice. Thaksin's introduction of the 30 baht Universal healthcare Scheme reduced preventable infant deaths by 17,000 per year. Where is your outrage at the anti-democratic forces in Thailand who have for decades raped and pillaged the country, their greed and gluttony never satisfied to the point that the inequality is so great that 17,000 babies needlessly died every year? Thaksin is surely no angel, but there are a great many seriously awful people causing infinitely more harm to the people of Thailand than him. Your petty and obsessive hatred of Thaksin reveals a great deal about you. That is correct, the UN is not his father. What did the father of Thailand have to say about the drug war? If it were up to the Thai people, Thaksin would be back in power in an instant. Any free and fair election will return a Thaksinite party to power. A civil war? It would be an 80/20 split. The military leadership, billionaires, bureaucrats, religious nutters and fascists being the 20 - and the sure losers.

It is actually a garbage summing up. Was there corruption under "Thaksin and his clan" - of course there was...after all, this is Thailand. But let's not kid ourselves about who the real villains are when it comes to corruption in Thailand: The top five richest men in Thailand have reportedly increased their wealth by a combined $13.6 billion over the past year in one of the world’s most unequal countries where the wealthiest 1 percent of the population in a nation of 69 million own more than two-thirds of the nation’s wealth. Although Thailand made significant progress in rolling back endemic poverty in recent decades, the trend began to be reversed after 2014 when a repressive military junta ousted an elected government in a coup. The rate of poverty has since been on the rise again, according to the World Bank. Anybody who cannot see the truth is either a gullible fool or a closet fascist. https://www.ucanews.com/news/pandemic-widens-chasm-between-rich-and-poor-in-thailand/93262

Constitutional Crisis = time for another Conservative Coup

When it comes to corruption, Thaksin is still a beginner when compared to the Thai military an ammart. Corruption at its best is the ability to otherthrow an elected government and remove all over site of the illegally installed regime. How many trillions have been pilfered since the coup?

The same way everyone know Prawit only borrowed millions of dollars worth of luxury watches and that Thammanat really was smuggling flour, not heroin, to Australia. ????????????

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Accepting and propagating verdicts from a corrupted judiciary is akin to putting the noose around your own neck, for surely what goes around comes around. Bypassing justice to do harm to your enemies only ensures that they will do the same to you. Your prejudices and bitterness (jealousy?) towards Thaksin has you at odds with truth, decency, justice, compassion, reason and logic. BTW - have you any idea of what types of illegal activities the Thai military has investments in?

Educated guess I think not. Just a guess. Thaksin came to power via the votes of millions of poor Thais. To remain in power he had to continue to contest and win elections which means he had to remain popular with enough voters to win a majority in parliament. Democracy would have held Thaksin accountable to the people. The Covid response of an elected government in a democracy is going to be vastly different to what is dished out by usurpers who come to power behind the barrel of a gun. The military did not commit a coup and trash the constitution to better take care of the poor, they did it for the very opposite reason.

You think the Thai judiciary dispenses justice? ???? You think military coups are a path that leads to justice ???? You criticise pro-democracy parties for being imperfect yet say nothing of anti-democracy parties… text book hypocrisy. Thanathorn, former leader of unjustly disbanded Future Forward Party is on the record as saying “Thaksin should face new trial under neutral judge”, so yes the pro-democracy parties are pro justice. Are you pro-justice? It certainly appears not, for without being afforded the opportunity of a fair trial labelling someone a criminal fugitive is itself an injustice.

Can’t beat him fair and square so cheat. That’s a losers mentality my friend. Since when has political censorship ever been a good thing? There’s a reason tyrants and dictators rely so heavily upon censorship - it protects the bad and suppresses the good.

One lady in your office is hardly a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions from, unless of course you care very little for facts and seek only to reinforce your own opinions regardless of how feeble the foundations upon which you perch yourself are. The most recent Thai “election” barred / severely restricted international observers - why do you think that is? If you are unsure, perhaps you could go ask your lady friend, you know, the one from your office. ???????????? https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/26/thai-election-process-deeply-flawed-independent-observers

It is very much true. Trump supporters are much more politically aligned to Junta supporters, I’d suggest you repeat your question whilst looking in the mirror.

First things first, no need to separate the Junta and the (misnamed) Democrats. At every single opportunity to support democracy the feeble (misnamed) Democrats chose to side with Dictatorship. It follows that the destruction wrought upon Thailand by the Junta is, in part, blood on the hands of the (misnamed) Democrats. As for Thaksin’s 30 baht UHC there is countless instances of the Junta wanting to get rid of the scheme… but let’s start back in 2008 after the judicial coup that installed yellow bellied Abhisit shall we: “With Thaksin as the face of the “30 baht” scheme, public opinion on UHC seemed to organize along partisan lines. The scheme was replaced once by the Democrat-led government in 2009 under the slogan “free treatment for 48 million people.” It was subsequently resurrected in 2012 with the “30 baht” moniker under the Pheu Thai government.” Now Prayuth: Prayuth Chan-Ocha, the head of the junta and Prime Minister, has revealed the eleven policies of his administration, one of which is a plan to improve Thailand’s health system; however, the conservative junta might set Thailand’s health policies back by ten years. https://prachatai.com/english/node/4341

Your post history up until recently is a constant stream of pro junta anti Thaksin garbage. Oh how it must embarrass you… just how badly on the nose the junta is now, where not even the most avid consumers of their garbage can bring themselves to publicly support the sad and sorry bunch of clowns running the country. Thaksin implemented the 30 baht UHC - to much global acclaim, the Democrats and their military buddies would like nothing more than to get rid of this lifesaving policy.

In 2003, who urged Thaksin to “suppress the drug menace” After Thaksin declared victory in the drug war who said “the fight against drugs is far from over”? In 2004, who said that “the death toll is a small price to pay to crush the drug trade”? The answer is the same in all three of the above questions - if you know so much about what went on back then you will know who was the driving force behind the failed war on drugs. Either you have no idea what you are talking about or you are will-fully ignoring facts in order to continue wallowing in your own personal prejudices. I see a poster above is claiming the 30 baht healthcare policy as the brainchild of the (misnamed) Democrats. Ain’t it funny how everything bad in Thailand is Thaksin’s fault and everything good is due to the anti democracy pro coup kleptocrats that barstools fascists so adore. Talk about self delusion.

Just because you assume I know nothing of “what went on years back in Thailand” doesn’t actually make it true. Your ability to leap to a conclusion from little to no evidence marks you as the very type of individual susceptible to the third rate propaganda the junta and their allies have been using to control the Thai masses for decades. It takes a very special blend of gullibility and ignorance to swallow their nonsense as will-fully as you appear to have done. By the way, who are you to look down upon the Thai people? What have achieved of note in your life? I’d wager <deleted> all, certainly less than the many brave Thai youths who have risked jail, their careers and physical harm in the ongoing fight for democracy. Know nothing cowards these kids are not.

It’s all relative isn’t it. Is Thaksin a saint? Obviously not. Is he a “good guy” when compared to the Generals and Plutocrats who have robbed Thailand of her democracy and bullied, censored, stolen from and oppressed the Thai people? Obviously yes. A free and fair election will certainly reveal the opinions of the majority of Thai's. What makes you think ”his regime killed loads of people”. Post a link or two supporting your claims. No links is of course confirmation of the presence of bullsh!t.

By “grab the reins” do you mean win an election? Is winning elections not preferable to coups? Out of curiosity, had Thaksin been discovered with 30 odd luxury watches that he could not explain where the money came from to purchase… do you think he’d have a criminal conviction for it? Funny how the Thai courts work eh? Being convicted of political crimes by the Thai judiciary is a badge of honour - it screams out to all and sundry that one is anti-coup and pro democracy.

Into which basket (self enrichment or superficially happy masses) do you place Thaksin’s 30 baht universal healthcare?